Could Steroids Help Me?

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So I will post my current physical status:
-23 yr old male
-190 lb
-10% bf
training regime:
4 days on, ~2 days off between various workouts depending on how I'm recovering. I train quite hard.
-shoulders, legs
-back
-chest, abs
-bi, tri
diet:
-Don't think I could eat much more:
3 homemade feasts a day, consisting of lots of cheesy, lean meat-filled, whole wheat pasta with vegetables. also stir frys, breakfast burritos, hardy salads. incorporate high protein vegetables like chickpeas, kidney beans, black beans. plenty of spinach, brocolli, etc. High protein snacks in between meals. So i get plenty of protein and carbs and more fat than I need as well, and have recently been supplementing a daily 60g protein, 90g carb shake. I also take an amino acid blend.

I am interested in IM testosterone only.
So my only experience with steroids was a couple pills I took years ago in high school that my friend gave me, I noticed an increase in endurance and confidence which led to a few really intense gym sessions, but I never cycled or anything like that.
I'd like to push myself as far as possible because I have put so much time into fitness and would like to see even better results. I have been exercising a lot like this for 5 years. I'm always active, and have been lifting seriously for the past year (after a swimming and biking phase). My main goal right now is to gain a lot of muscle mass but I really don't want an increase in body fat because I have worked hard doing cardio in the past to get it low. But I'm not watching out for that fat increase anymore because I need to gain some weight through any means possible so I'm eating as much as I can. Doing what I am right now, I'm sure I will get bigger with time. But I am young, life is short... I want to be fucking massive.
So can I expect better utilization of nutrients leading to intense strength gains with low risk of fat gain? Like, 10 pounds in a month, or what would a typical gain be for someone? I will train very hard and eat as much as possible.
Should I also expect behavioral changes not only due to being bigger but also directly from increased testosterone levels? I have experimented with cocaine and absolutely love the adrenaline rush and feelings of confidence it can bring. I am quite docile by nature and also because I'm a marijuana fiend by nature now. Tbh I would love to experience being a more aggressive, boastful, socially present person for a little while, it'd be fun and I need a lot more pussy haha. And as I previously mentioned I love feeling jacked up.
So do you guys think I'm still too young? Also the gyno thing scares me, I already have a very prominant chest. It is very attractive and I would hate to fuck up the appearance of my presently manly chest. Is the risk of gyno from one cycle, with proper post cycle treatment that high?
 
Honestly? Stay off them, looks like you have a good work-out resume sorted. Keep it at, steroids = liver damage.

If your heart is set on it, try some oral Dbol over a 3 week cycle. After that you'll know if you want to keep taking.
 
I do not suggest running dbol alone, no matter the dose or condition you are in. Dbol is meant to be used up front or to "kick start" a cycle that includes test.


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I am asking out of curiosity as I'm interested in drugs and what they can do for me. And I really do love to lift. I just plan on eating more and I haven't been on this gainer for long so hopefully it will help. Best to be healthy. But people say steroids arn't a magic pill, for myself with that routine I'm wondering if they would be. I think my body would just work better at building muscle, I wouldn't have to change a thing, and I would start seeing huge gains which I'm not seeing so much these days. Anyways I can fit a lot of food in that stomach of mine since I'm perpetually stoned.
I'm not asking about specific types either, I would choose to inject testosterone.
 
^what terrible advise - you berate liver toxic steriods then recomend he takes one over non-liver toxic testosterone?!?

Doing a test cycle would certainly be a possiblity. 23 is pretty much old enough to have finish growing. The only thing I would say is you might want to wait until you have a bit more lifting experience. How have your stats changed over the last year? Are you able to gain weight naturally- progressing in all your lifts, weight wise?

There is an increase in mood and confidence but it is not so obvious as with the use of rec drugs- it won't be apparent at the time only when looking back and analysing your behaviour will the difference be apparent.

As far as gyno is concerned if you are worried then just ensure you have a decent AI (aromatse inhibitor). This will prevent estrogen being converted and would actually reduce your natural ammount of estrogen.

Do some reading about cycles and proper PCT and you should be fine.
 
So does taking testosterone pills damage the liver? I would want to dose pretty low, so my only reason to inject would be to prevent any liver damage. My strength has certainly been increasing, rather slowly but steadily. I was big before, then lost a lot of size cause I got out of it for a little while, but since the summer I have put most of it back on (about 10 lb). But I've never been much bigger than I am right now. I would only be using them to enhance what is already going on because I will surely be getting bigger as I've upped my diet even moreso lately.
 
Wait until you're done growing and nothing you do works. Then absolutely 100% without a doubt get on the shit. Cause it's a fucking ride! =D
 
I think you're ready for a test-only cycle...You have low bodyfat and seem like you "somewhat" got your diet down in terms of calories...If gyno concerns you throw in an AI like Arimidex at 0.5 mgs EOD or ED...Have some nolvadex on hand just in case symptoms arise...

you should be fine...let us know if you are going to travel to the dark side
 
rave_itsrealfun!!! said:
So I will post my current physical status:
-23 yr old male
-190 lb
-10% bf
training regime:
4 days on, ~2 days off between various workouts depending on how I'm recovering. I train quite hard.
-shoulders, legs
-back
-chest, abs
-bi, tri
diet:
-Don't think I could eat much more:
3 homemade feasts a day, consisting of lots of cheesy, lean meat-filled, whole wheat pasta with vegetables. also stir frys, breakfast burritos, hardy salads. incorporate high protein vegetables like chickpeas, kidney beans, black beans. plenty of spinach, brocolli, etc. High protein snacks in between meals. So i get plenty of protein and carbs and more fat than I need as well, and have recently been supplementing a daily 60g protein, 90g carb shake. I also take an amino acid blend.

I am interested in IM testosterone only.
So my only experience with steroids was a couple pills I took years ago in high school that my friend gave me, I noticed an increase in endurance and confidence which led to a few really intense gym sessions, but I never cycled or anything like that.
I'd like to push myself as far as possible because I have put so much time into fitness and would like to see even better results. I have been exercising a lot like this for 5 years. I'm always active, and have been lifting seriously for the past year (after a swimming and biking phase). My main goal right now is to gain a lot of muscle mass but I really don't want an increase in body fat because I have worked hard doing cardio in the past to get it low. But I'm not watching out for that fat increase anymore because I need to gain some weight through any means possible so I'm eating as much as I can. Doing what I am right now, I'm sure I will get bigger with time. But I am young, life is short... I want to be fucking massive.
So can I expect better utilization of nutrients leading to intense strength gains with low risk of fat gain? Like, 10 pounds in a month, or what would a typical gain be for someone? I will train very hard and eat as much as possible.
Should I also expect behavioral changes not only due to being bigger but also directly from increased testosterone levels? I have experimented with cocaine and absolutely love the adrenaline rush and feelings of confidence it can bring. I am quite docile by nature and also because I'm a marijuana fiend by nature now. Tbh I would love to experience being a more aggressive, boastful, socially present person for a little while, it'd be fun and I need a lot more pussy haha. And as I previously mentioned I love feeling jacked up.
So do you guys think I'm still too young? Also the gyno thing scares me, I already have a very prominant chest. It is very attractive and I would hate to fuck up the appearance of my presently manly chest. Is the risk of gyno from one cycle, with proper post cycle treatment that high?
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Hmm. Your stats are pretty good and I can easily see a healthy mental image of a "base" you already have which is always necessary for a first cycle.

Ideal training results come from three main sources: diet, rest, training. Try to get as much sleep every night as you can as you grow while you sleep, not in the gym (which I'm sure you already know). You're already eating a great deal, which is excellent. However, I might try breaking up those three mammoth meals into five or even six frequent, small to mid-sized ones. It sends the message to the brain that it's time to up the burners (your metabolic rate), since you're getting so damn much food. The opposite happens in idiots who starve themselves. Sure, they lose weight. And also become catabolic, their metabolism slows to a crawl in the event that if any morsel of food comes along the body will be able to get the most out of it during the survival mode. As soon as they return to even healthy, normal eating, they gain rapidly.

Why are you so insistent on test alone? It's a very harsh anabolic with a lot of the classic, unwanted side effects (hair loss if you're prone, hair growth in strange, unexpected places, bad and noticeable effects on the skin, etc. Sustanon-250 is a testosterone combination of consisting of (30 mg propionate, 60 mg isocaproate, 60 mg as phenylpropionate, 100 mg decanoate).

Have you heard of Anadrol? Pound for pound it's the strongest steroid (and unhealthiest by far) steroid under the sun. It's another oral steroid like Dianabol but even stronger and much more dangerous. I once experimented with it at the beginning of a cycle (which I usually kick-start with Dianabol), and I was gaining 1.5 lbs per day. Freakdom. My last stack (over two years ago) closely resembled what I believe they used to call the "bread and butter" stack (minus the test): kick start for 10 days with 30 mg per day of Dianabol, 400 mg injected Deca Durabolin once a week, and for the last four weeks of my prolonged but complication-free 12 week cycle, Winstrol 50 mg per day, injected every day at the same time (that sucked!). The reason for using Winstrol/Stromba toward the end of the stack is that it has several advantages toward making one look more vascular, it has been proven to act as a long-term muscle hardener and whatever gains are made while on it are generally easy to maintain afterward.

The idea to such a stack is to get started with the Dianabol for immediate strength and size increases for the first 10-14 days that the slow-onset Deca is not yet active, effective. Two weeks in, the Deca (or Boldenone, which I prefer) will definitely be at work, and the Dianabol is no longer needed nor advised. 10-14 days should always be the longest period of time you stay on an a strength/size oral like that. Had I augmented the weeks of the cycle during which Deca was basically acting alone with some kind of Testosterone, I'm sure I'd have got beastly results. But really? I don't want that. Your comment, "I want to be fucking massive," doesn't apply to what I want out of lifting. Sure, I want size, definition, hardness, proportion...My idea of the perfect male physique for me to work toward is rather similar to Brad Pitt's character Tyler Durden in Fight Club, as I think 99% of women will drool over that kind of look before they ever even consider a guy whose arms are so huge he looks like he can't do things like brush his teeth. Especially laughable are those types in the gym (we've all seen them) that have these huge upper bodies but...their legs look like skinny little sticks.

I got most of my info during the time I was cycling from Big Cat, a Belgian body builder and anabolic expert. There's a wealth of individual steroid info and stacking advice to be found at his Steroid Profiles page.

Come to think of it, the biggest I ever got was about 210 lbs, 6'2. Balanced, proportioned, big enough, strong enough, vascular enough body. I was always so damn happy with the results, but it isn't just the anabolics. It's us, and the work and discipline we employ. It's a lifestyle, one where the mirror almost becomes a best friend of sorts, and you feel healthy, confident, ready...all positive. Just don't take it too far or get to the point that you and only you are the shit. That's such an ugly personality when it's at work.

If you go ahead with a stack, do me a favor and post what you decided on, all right? And really, consider Boldenone over Deca Durabolin. The reason Deca is so damn popular is that it has virtually zero side effects, good results, is extremely rare in that in can be used for either bulking or cutting. The bad? It's long-acting esters can make it detectable in the body up to a full year after its last use. Be sure to PCT. Read about Clomid and Novadex, what to do, not to do, and for how long.
 
Deca+winstrol must have KILLED your libido. Running test will increase it. If your worried about androgenic sides you can always use a 5-AR inhibitor.
 
I don't have any philosophical bias against steroids, but it sounds to me like you might be overtraining.

If your goal is to gain lean mass then I think you should move back to a basic mass-building workout. Something like a 3-day, full body workout or perhaps find a way to work in a legs day. Train with very heavy weights on your heaviest sets, which should be targeted to be about 4-6 reps. Your lightest sets should be targeted about 10-12 reps.

I say "targeted" because you should be training to failure on nearly all of your sets... all except your warm ups. Use a spotter and always train to failure and it wouldn't hurt to emphasize the negative reps on the heavier sets.

Limit your training to about 4 sets per 3 major muscle groups (maybe something like push, pull and legs which is just another way of saying back, chest and legs.

Time your sets to be close enough together to keep you heart rate up (peripheral heart action training) and don't lock out at the top of reps. Limit your other cardio to something like 30-45 minutes no more than 4 days a week, or even better just 3 days.

If you're at the weight you want already then I don't see a problem but the workout you're doing looks more like something you would do if you wanted to get cuts and definition rather than bulk.

You could always use the periodization principle and alternate between the definition workout you appear to be doing and the mass-building workout you want to build more mass... maybe change your routine at random from month to month bu keep a training log to see how much time you're spending on definition vs bulk and adjust the totals according to your goals.

Build the mass and then refine it in cycles. Maybe use the T on mass building cycles.


Sorry for all the basic stuff.
 
rave_itsrealfun!!! said:
My strength has certainly been increasing, rather slowly but steadily. I was big before, then lost a lot of size cause I got out of it for a little while, but since the summer I have put most of it back on (about 10 lb). But I've never been much bigger than I am right now. I would only be using them to enhance what is already going on because I will surely be getting bigger as I've upped my diet even moreso lately.
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Has anyone else read this?! 8)

His strength is still increasing and he is still growing! He "just want to enhance what's already going on". Including his self-admission of "surely getting bigger [due to] upping his diet".

Come on fellas, why suggest anything other than keep doing what he's doing until it no longer works. THEN jump on a beginner cycle.
 
p-mo said:
Deca+winstrol must have KILLED your libido. Running test will increase it. If your worried about androgenic sides you can always use a 5-AR inhibitor.
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The combination definitely doomed my sex drive for a while. But it was a few weeks, I was getting the results I wanted, and I knew I'd be making up for the lost time when the cycle was over!

I'm considering another stack. It would be good. This time, I do think I'd run the test as well with a 5-AR inhibitor. Does it always work though? That's the question.
 
oneguy said:
I don't have any philosophical bias against steroids, but it sounds to me like you might be overtraining.

If your goal is to gain lean mass then I think you should move back to a basic mass-building workout. Something like a 3-day, full body workout or perhaps find a way to work in a legs day. Train with very heavy weights on your heaviest sets, which should be targeted to be about 4-6 reps. Your lightest sets should be targeted about 10-12 reps.

I say "targeted" because you should be training to failure on nearly all of your sets... all except your warm ups. Use a spotter and always train to failure and it wouldn't hurt to emphasize the negative reps on the heavier sets.

Limit your training to about 4 sets per 3 major muscle groups (maybe something like push, pull and legs which is just another way of saying back, chest and legs.

Time your sets to be close enough together to keep you heart rate up (peripheral heart action training) and don't lock out at the top of reps. Limit your other cardio to something like 30-45 minutes no more than 4 days a week, or even better just 3 days.

If you're at the weight you want already then I don't see a problem but the workout you're doing looks more like something you would do if you wanted to get cuts and definition rather than bulk.

You could always use the periodization principle and alternate between the definition workout you appear to be doing and the mass-building workout you want to build more mass... maybe change your routine at random from month to month bu keep a training log to see how much time you're spending on definition vs bulk and adjust the totals according to your goals.

Build the mass and then refine it in cycles. Maybe use the T on mass building cycles.


Sorry for all the basic stuff.
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All accurate, sound suggestions.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone, I wouldn't be set on testosterone but I have some research to do on those other anabolics. I train til failure, start with heavy lifting and rep out afterwards. No cardio these days except for the odd run but I keep my time between sets pretty low so my heart is pumping hard. I know I overtrain, but not too badly. So before I try this stuff I'm going to see how doing less cardio, eating more, and training a little less will help.
The periodization principle never really appealed to me, well for one I have yet to discover if I can actually gain enough weight to become fatter (my weight gains are slow and from muscle). Also I like being ripped and losing definition for the sake of having more later on isn't the most appealing idea to me. But I guess it's the dfirection I'm heading.
And yeah I want to gain another 20-30 pounds or so, same body definition just a larger version of myself with even more prominant muscles, and big strength gains. So that people notice see right away that I'm jacked you know? Anyways fuck I gotta get to the forest for a doob and then hit the bench press.
 
oral steroids

WeBank said:
Honestly? Stay off them, looks like you have a good work-out resume sorted. Keep it at, steroids = liver damage.

If your heart is set on it, try some oral Dbol over a 3 week cycle. After that you'll know if you want to keep taking.
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ORAL steroids = liver stress

3 weeks of dbol is barely enough to kick start a cycle!
 
I plan on bulking until the spring when it gets warm again. I'm an avid cyclist, well I go on stoned biking adventures all the time in the summer and it definately interferes with gaining size, and it's why I'm lean I guess. I've changed my goals since the summer. But I think I should gain as much size as possible and then start cutting when I can bike again in the spring. Would it be a good idea to take them then, biking a few times a week as well as training hard? And I should have an even better base at that point.

Would you guys consider this an overtrain (I'm trying to gain strength):
3 sets of each exercise
start heavy:
-free weight press~6 reps
-bench press heaviest weight, 1 rep with a neg (well I usually neg after last rep of anything)
-free weight incline~7 reps
end with:
-decline bench~10 rep
-some sort of fly~10 rep

That's just what I did today. If I didn't lift that much I don't think I'd even get sore though, and it's still a pretty quick workout. Also I bring the bar all the way down to my chest when I bench, is this good form? Cause I see people only going halfway down all the time.
 
blues runner said:
The combination definitely doomed my sex drive for a while. But it was a few weeks, I was getting the results I wanted, and I knew I'd be making up for the lost time when the cycle was over!

I'm considering another stack. It would be good. This time, I do think I'd run the test as well with a 5-AR inhibitor. Does it always work though? That's the question.
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In what way "always work"? Do you mean the 5-AR reducing androgenic sides or the test increasing libido? In terms of androgenic sides it can reduce it quite a bit but test is androgenic even without conversion to DHT. If your worried about androgenic sides then using ANY steroid is risky (bar perhaps var). You can always run a smaller dose along with a more anabolic substance- 200mg/week of test along with deca for example. Winstrol will cause more andro sides than test with a 5-AR inhibitor IMO.

As for increasing libido if thats an issue you can use Proviron. I've never used it myself but I've heard good things. And you can always break out the viagra ;)
 
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