could MDMA effect the health of your future childen?

[Lilly]

i have been thinking alot about this recently for some reason...
As long term effects aren't yet known does anyone else wonder whether what they are doing today will have adversr effects on children when/if we have them?
I don't know too much on the way that the human body distributes and breaks down MDMA, but i have read that after some researchers did tests on giving this guy 100mg of pure MDMA, only 74% or thereabouts was recovered from bodily excrement ... (urine/faeces/perspiration) ....the rest is stored somewhere in your body and they suggested the fluid in the spinal cord.
Is there much of a chance that today's partying could lead to serious complications later on when some of us decide to procreate?
...mmmmm....
Cheers...
Lilly

 

[mona]

I could be wrong.. but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that ANYTHING that involves ANYONE saying ANYTHING about MDMA being stored in the spinal cord is COMPLETE and UTTER BULLSHIT.
urban myth.

 

[Lilly]

...alright then....

 

[XSI11V]

good point lily - where does it all go? I don't think it is known otherwise we'd all have heard by now-
I also wonder these things (occassionally)

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Affecting future offspring is also the point where mum always stumps me when we argue about the pros and cons of e.

 

[Lilly]

maybe we'll have happier kids

maybe we'll have sadder kids

I just want healthy little kiddies the rest will come in good time...

ALSO>>>>
BL's....what would you do if you found out that in the future your kids too E or othre stuff too?
Would you mind?
Would you be cool with it?
Honest answers please

)

 

[XSI11V]

I'd probably be fairly cool if I found they were using e...
but by then there'd be some new fangled super drug which I'd be totally naive about and would probably flip out being the fried old raver dad that i'll be....
and be forced to ground their arses and confiscate their hoverboards - and ask them if Mitsis are still goin round

 

[ami]

The baby comes out, with the BIGGEST HUGEST dilated pupils and instead of crying it says it's first "EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!"
haha...

 

[atomica]

lilly, i worry about that too. especially now i'm married, and my husband asymmetry has been partying for quite a few years.
whilst we can make light of the subject, we dont really know if it can affect eggs/sperm in a negative way, or what would happen if you dropped e while pregnant. it's worth considering.
actually, that and neurotoxicity issues have made us slow down a fair bit.
as for my kids doing e, it would depend on the nature of the child. if they were like me or asym, i prolly wouldnt worry too much, just talk to them about safe drug usage (of any drug) and help them be sure about all the facts etc. if they were more like my brother, i'd start worrying, and maybe try to discourage them, but what can you do? it sounds hypocritical, but if it were actually my kids, i'd prolly not like it one bit, cuz i know there are dangers and im a born worrier. but i wouldnt forbid it cuz it just wouldnt work.
smilez ppl

n as ever, play safe =)

 

[Vune]

HAHAHAHA
I hope so, I hate kids...

 

[CC]

When I have kids, I'm going to tell them, that whatever they decide to is up to them, but I would like to be their with them on their first "Trip", should they decide to do it. So I can make sure they are ok.
You just have to hope you bring your kids up in a way that they don't do anything without knowing what they are doing.

 

[Cimora]

What about liquor? What about pharmaceuticals? (Painkillers, anti-biotics, anti-depressants, vitamins)? What about Genetically modified food? What about fat and artificial additives?
Really think about it. Many everyday things are actually very harmful. And e - is not very in moderation. Thousands die from OTC legal stuff, some get addicted, some ruin their bodys and health - simply by doing what the doctor and the packet says to do. Dont fool yourself, "illegal" doesnt mean more harmful, it means less profit. Most of the possible side effects from e have been well researched by now, and fertility is not one of them. Memory, sleep and emotion are implicated in heavy MDMA use. (once per week for several years) Where does the 30% xtra mdma go? well id say it gets broken down...what do you think a liver is for?
Anyways - chill out and consider your double standard.

 

[Lilly]

I don't have a double standard it's just that with other drugs it's better known what they can do to your kids...i was asking if people had some KNOWLEDGE on the matter thta they might like to put forward.....
Fine if it doesn't concern you but cut the agro please C

Cheers,
Lilly

 

[entropope]

When you ingest stuff
it gets broken down, or it comes out how it came in. Hence pnce broken down, it can't be recovered. Unless it doesn't get broken down. MDMA gets broken down... else you wouldn't come down till you pee, sweat, expire, cry and poop it out.

I'm assuming that some bits of whats in pills are used by the body. I dunno whats in binders but they could well be taken up into cells, as normal cell constiuents. But it wouldn't really be feasable to expect to recover 100% of anything that effects your body in any way. You breath out wastes that can be converted to gas. Anything that can't is going to be in forms which are minimal, and the same as other bodily wastes.
Nother point to ponder, MDMA gets broken down rather gradually. Traces remain for a while.
Most of this is inferred from vague memories, but I believe it to be at least 90% true

 

[entropope]

yeah fuck
I only typed out about two thirds of my thoughts while I was thinking on that one. Oh well, fuck it.

 

[Finn]

I'm not sure about the effects of mdma on a woman's ability to conceive (did a search on the MAPS site - fertility - nothing), but there have been a few studies done on mdma and pregnancy ie. women who have taken mdma when pregnant. Nothing very conclusive though.
http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/pregnancy.html
My partner and I plan to have a baby sometime during the next couple of years. We've talked about the impact of our current lifestyle (drugs, alcohol, lots of sleepness nights etc.) on our ability to conceive and have pretty much decided that when the time is right we'll stop doing drugs, reduce our consumption of alcohol, become less nocturnal and cultivate some new leisure interests! Well temporarily anyway!
A couple of my girlfriends have had babies now. Both babies seem to be none the worse for their parents consumption of drugs and alcohol prior to their conception. Sooooooo, if their experience is anything to go by we might all be ok.
One of my friends had ecstacy a couple of times after she fell pregnant (but before she knew she was pregnant). While this freaked her out initially, her doctor told her that provided she didn't do it again the risk to her baby was minimal.
Luckily he was right

Finn

 

[Voodoo Chile]

I really hate myself for saying this, but I think that at this point in my life, if I found out that e would harm my future children, I wouldn't stop. I would rather forget having children than give up my lifestyle.
I know this is terrible, but I am having sooooo much fun at the moment, that I dont think I could bear giving it up. I'm not trying to say that I am addicted or anything, just that I would probably make a conscious decision not to have kids (I would probably regret it for the rest of my life, but hey!)
I am truly a horrible person..........

 

[XSI11V]

I don't wanna sound negative or anything Voodoo Chile - i hope you're joking - I can't believe someone could be so selfish - I wouldn't admit to something like that.

 

[rockee]

on the contrary, good on you Voodoo Chile! Why does everyone feel that they have to have children? I really believe that every child deserves to be wanted..not just accepted when it happens.. and if that means that you don't want to have children because you're having too much fun enjoying YOUR life, then that's totally cool by me. I will never have children..I hate them...and I would never ever pass my genes on..the buck stops with me! I too could never give my life up that I enjoy so much to bring another into the world...and that is what you have to accept if you do want children..things do change..don't ever kid yourself that they don't...I laugh to myself every time I hear someone who's pregnant say those words..then watch them try and fit any type of social life in for years..
I would have to give up so much of what I enjoy if I was to have a child...nah..I'm too selfish too...and proud of it!

 

[atomica]

there is nothing wrong w/ how voodoo chile feels. just because you *can* procreate doesnt mean that you have to, and are selfish if you dont. i didnt want kids at all and would have chosen just about any lifestyle over it, until i met asym. being a parent isnt for everyone, and some ppl can easily choose not to. it's very wrong to call someone selfish just cuz they choose not to have children, for whatever reason.
that said, i think it would be extremely selfish to go ahead w/ the party lifestyle (if you knew it would have a bad effect on kids), and then decide to try to have kids knowing the risks. if it fukked up and you had a kid that suffered because of it, now that *would* be selfish. but thats not what voodoo chile said, so it's all good

to Cimora.. who said there's a double standard? i worry bout all that stuff, esp GM cuz i'm really anti GM. i'm also very cynical about the pharmacutical co.s. but, this is an e board!

so when we worry here, we worry bout e. and it's known to be neurotoxic. so you have to worry bout it.
and the effects of prolonged e usage has not been discovered cuz the generation of kids whose parents e'd their heads off are not very old, and there's not too many of them i'd imagine. i doubt there'll be much problem at all but you never know. and if you want to have kids and it's important to you, then this *is* something to consider. right along w/ all that other crap we put in our bodies. being a parents' gotta suck like that.
[This message has been edited by atomica (edited 24 August 2000).]

 

[haste]

voodoo chile you are not a horrible person - no-one is horrible if they are honest with how they feel - I love your honesty with yourself and with everyone else.
Noooow from some-one who has a little boy and knows the responsibilties that come with a child, I commend you on your decision. If it's not in your heart to have kids then don't - don't fall for the crap that society places on us that it is a natuaral progression for a female to have kids. I think it would be totally selfish to bring a child into this world and your heart's not in it. Parenthood is no picnic by far - shit I'm divorced and only see my son every fortnight and still find it challenging. For me though, nothing gives me a greater buzz than seeing my son

Natuaral high of Fatherhood ahhhhhhhhh

Anyway - I'll shut up cause this has gone off topic

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