• CD Moderators: someguyontheinternet
  • Cannabis Discussion Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules

Could Marijuana be used as an antidepressant?

How do you select for the recessive CBD allele and for the 1:1 ratio? I mean you specifically.

Firstly, if a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video must be worth a million. Forgive the 'skunk' terminology and the scatty 'journalist', but here's an interesting experiment where the woman is given a THC intravenously on its own. In the same settings and conditions, another injection is given by the person conducting the experiment except this time CBD is also included in the injection of THC. The difference is striking, with the CBD making the experience far more enjoyable and even comical. So, strains with high CBD levels can be a godsend for people prone to anxiety and paranoia when smoking, such as myself:

Video of the effects of IV THS vs. IV CBD+THC



Anyway, as I was saying, you need to choose the right strain to start off with. Mazar-I-Sharif supplied by The Real Seed Company for example is a perfect choice, since it's a pure indica landrace strain that has the potential to produce high CBD plants in an indoor environment rather than tall, lanky sativas poorly suited to indoor growing.

So aftering thinking about it, here's what I would do: I would grow out a decent number of seeds to get the full complement of low and high CBD phenotypes, since a low number (5 for example) could result in say 2-3 females which might all be low CBD and a waste of time. A good number would be at least 18-20, but the more, the better, with about 20-25 being ideal. The next step would be to veg them out until the pre-flowers show, at which point cuttings would be taken from each plant and sexed using the Genefinder method. The clones identified as male would allow me to take the next step of removing all the males from the main grow area, or as in my case, moved to a dedicated male grow area. I would continue to grow the clones out so that I have all the different phenotypes to work with after I've harvested the main plants. These clones would be turned into bonsai mother plants since they take up less space and can be used to produce as many cuttings as required. They look pretty cool too!

So once I have a room full of females I would use a 12/12 schedule instead of an 18/6 or 20/4 schedule and flower them. Each would then be harvested and cured and stored in airtight mason jars labelled according to the plant from which each bud was harvested. It may be possible to determine which sample is high CBD just from the subjective high, with high CBD strains being less anxiety-inducing and more mellow, I don't know. If not however, there are relatively inexpensive tests widely available, such as the Canalyse kit which is a cannabinoid fingerprint testing kit. This gives you a qualitative analysis of the cannabinoid profile and will indicate whether the bud sample is high, medium or low in CBD levels compared to d-9-THC. I believe other tests can use standardised samples to give you a quantitative analysis, including d-9-THC percentage. These kits, without going into too much detail, use chromatography to give you an indication of relative cannabinoid levels present in the small bud samples being analysed. The Cannalyse kit is relatively cheap, but more expensive compared to the other kits on the market, which are often less than a quarter the cost of Cannalyse.

Anyway, after indentifying the high CBD phenotypes, I would label their clones. Since I believe the high CBD allele is recessive, I would simply select out the clone who's mother produced bud with high CBD levels. Since there are three possible phenotypes, cc, cC and CC, producing a population consisting of only high CBD phenotypes would require a cross between a male and female each consisting of cc genotypes. The female is easy to identify by smoking the bud, in theory, but the male containing the cc genotype can be identified indirectly since all offspring it produces when crossed with the female will also be high CBD. We would not have the difficulty of trying to distinguish between the cC and CC genotypes, each of which have the same phenotype, because there's only one genotype and one corresponding phenotype we're looking for which makes it a lot more simple.

But anyway, all you need to really do is select a high CBD phenotype and simply clone the female for future grows. This doesn't necessarily require TLC cannabinoid fingerprint analysis, since simply smoking the bud samples would suffice in practice. Once you have that one 'keeper' phenotype you never have to select another mother plant again. The fact that high CBD phenotypes are known to be present in any given population of Mazar-I-Sharif means that finding a high CBD keeper mum is highly likely in a pack of 12-20 seeds (half or thereabouts of which would be female), unlike most of the other Dutch-type non-landrae hybrids on the market at the moment, which have been selectively bred to have high THC levels, but low CBD levels at the same time albeit unintentionally.

edit: It seems that I have misinterpreted the function of the THC/CBD alleles in this case. This post explains it:

a useful thing to know about here is the "allele"

alleles are the bits of code on DNA which are responsible for producing certain molecules or characteristics

there are THC alleles and CBD alleles

so in hashish and charas cultivars

--- 1/4 of plants will have double the amount of THC alleles --- maybe, if you are lucky, a 10% THC plant

--- 1/2 of plants have 1:1 THC:CBD alleles, 50/50 if you like --- so maybe 5% THC and 5% CBD

---and 1/4 plants have double the CBD alleles - a 10% CBD plant, if you are lucky

---

in traditional ganja cultivars, and in modern hybrids, you would not find this

99% of plants will just be pure THC, or something similar --- they will mostly all have the double THC allele characteristic

if you have the Real Seed Co Kerala, Mekong, or Highland/Golden Lao you would only expect to find pure THC plants --- CBD should be almost completely absent

FYI:

ganga = herbal cannabis and
charas = hashish.
 
Last edited:
I just found this form and this post, felt compelled to register to add my 2 cents:

I've been using marijuana both recreationally and to combat depression/anxiety/insomnia, for about 10 years daily. Before this, I was on a ton of pharms. as a kid, multiple antidepressants as well as anti anxiety medication and heavy duty sleeping pills. Now while pot does have some minor side effects for me (slight effect on short term memory, tendency to have a lack of motivation or procrastinate, tenancy to overeat aka munchies) they are far, far better and much more controllable/manageable than the severe effects I had from taking pharms. (severe loss of of both long term and short term memory, chronic fatigue to the point I was involuntarily sleeping 12-14+ hours a day, lack of motivation, severe and drastic weight gain, mental cloudiness/confusion, and a INCREASE in the depression I was taking all these drugs to fix in the first place, not to mention the withdrawals of stopping the pharms when I went from a minor to an adult and had my health insurance cut off.) So for me, marijuana most definitely has helped me as an antidepressant. This may or may not be the case for others, if you are thinking of going this route I suggest to make your own decisions based on research and experience before you take any drug, pharmaceutical or natural.

That said, I think that anyone suffering from depression should seriously think about making life style changes if they truly seek to try to cure the problem. A drug, whether a pill or weed or something else, will only mask the problems or "take the edge off." I have found that living a healthier lifestyle, including a healthy diet and regular exercise, helps me much more than any drug has. I still smoke, but I also watch what I eat and practice martial arts 4+ days a week and hike regularly, among other physical activities, and hope to get to the point where I don't need to smoke weed daily or regularly and only enjoy it as an occasional mental opening or social activity. Sorry if I've gotten off topic, but I think that no drug will ever cure depression, only mask the symptoms. Drugs can still be a valuable aid, and for me at least marijuana has helped immensely, but in the end I think that they will never do anything more than mask the problems when used to combat any mental disease. If one wants to change one's self, one must first change one's lifestyle...
 
I've been using marijuana both recreationally and to combat depression/anxiety/insomnia, for about 10 years daily. Before this, I was on a ton of pharms. as a kid, multiple antidepressants as well as anti anxiety medication and heavy duty sleeping pills. Now while pot does have some minor side effects for me (slight effect on short term memory, tendency to have a lack of motivation or procrastinate, tenancy to overeat aka munchies) they are far, far better and much more controllable/manageable than the severe effects I had from taking pharms. (severe loss of of both long term and short term memory, chronic fatigue to the point I was involuntarily sleeping 12-14+ hours a day, lack of motivation, severe and drastic weight gain, mental cloudiness/confusion, and a INCREASE in the depression I was taking all these drugs to fix in the first place, not to mention the withdrawals of stopping the pharms when I went from a minor to an adult and had my health insurance cut off.) So for me, marijuana most definitely has helped me as an antidepressant. This may or may not be the case for others, if you are thinking of going this route I suggest to make your own decisions based on research and experience before you take any drug, pharmaceutical or natural.

im sorry to hear about your experience with pharms:( if you dont mind, which antidepressant(s) did you take?
and i get what you're saying about the drugs masking problems.
but right now thats what i need, because i cant fix the problem until im old enough to move out8(

aand an update if anyone wants to know:
ive been smoking 1 bowl/day (a few tokes every few hours)
and i've gotta say i think its working:\
 
I believe cannabis can be an effective anti-depressant, given a certain type of individual. As for me, my cannabis use doesn't help, and it even adds on extra anxiety.
 
Honestly I don't remember everything that I was on or tried; it was a long time ago and like I said the drugs screwed with my memory hard core. I know I had at least Zoloft, Paxil and Prozac as well as sleeping pills (don't remember name). I should mention that I was in a psych ward for part of this, this may of made it worst for me than most as if you are in that sort of place you are heavily overmedicated and often sometimes not even told what drugs you are being forced to take.

I will say I don't think you should wait until you move out before you start fixing any of your problems. Start now. Even if you can't do much, every little bit helps. And cool that weed seems to be working for you, if it helps then my advice is to keep using it. Just be aware that it is easy to "binge" and start using it more recreationaly and that can lead to overuse, trust me I know I've been there and done that.
 
"he creates such a big deal out of weed, yet he was willing to prescribe lexapro within 5 minutes of talking to him. i will never understand why the potential problems of weed are worried about excessively"

Yes, Michael_1992, doctors are willing to prescribe a litany of antidepressants at a moment's notice because big pharma kicks out money to doctors for doing so. Psychiatrists don't make shit off of illegal drugs, even illegal drugs, such as cannabis, that are safer than aspirin and far safer than every psychoactive drug prescribed for depression, anxiety, insomnia, etc.
 
^That's how many drugs work for their intended cause... Moderation is key.
 
I agree that the pharm. companies are out to make money. The fact that new laboratory drugs with a high ratio of side effects are pushed on people like they were candy, while natural a natural medicinal plant that is non toxic and has been used for 1000s of years remains illegal says it all.
 
^Yep. Pharma worked around the laws initially and I believe now is pushing to keep them in place.
 
I think everyone here could benefit from reading this article about the influence that pharmaceutical companies have over psychiatrists and how they view lawsuits worth hundreds of millions of dollars as a "cost" of doing business. These companies are driven by greed, like any other corporation. To think that they have the welfare of consumers at heart is the height of gullibility and stupidity. There are many more in depth articles like this one if you do the research.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117313948379987.html
 
I think everyone here could benefit from reading this article about the influence that pharmaceutical companies have over psychiatrists and how they view lawsuits worth hundreds of millions of dollars as a "cost" of doing business. These companies are driven by greed, like any other corporation. To think that they have the welfare of consumers at heart is the height of gullibility and stupidity. There are many more in depth articles like this one if you do the research.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117313948379987.html

Interesting article, thanks for your post. :)

In my opinion, cannabis can act both as an antidepressant and a depressant. It depends for each person, but moderation is very important if cannabis is used as an antidepressant.
 
Just as the title says: do you think that Marijuana could be used as an antidepressant?

Ive noticed that after the initial high is over, i seem to appreciate stuff alot more/have a better overall mood.

whatcha think%)

i would say the complete opposite is true of myself: during the first initial high i feel my mood lift and my burdens seem to ease, but a few hours later when i am getting stressed out again i'll notice my mood becomes terrible and sometimes i feel out of control with negativity. Its kind of weird, but i noticed the same thing with some co-workers that partake as well. It's all good when I'm are lit, but after it wears off the truth seems to bitch slap me in the face and life becomes 10x as difficult to deal with. Not to mention i become very negative and often times the guy with a seemingly vocabulary no bigger than "thats not going to work" and "were fucked" type of shit. I guess some people would say i become irritable after i smoke.

however, when i'm not in stressful situations, like at home or just hanging out i find that I first become more talkative and have an elevated mood, but as the high begins to wear off I lose motivation and start to sink into the couch. As of late, I find myself becoming somewhat of a hermit after i smoke and often times falling asleep for a few hours after i get really stoned. Never used to be like this before, I used to have trouble falling asleep when I was stoned, of course I have fallen into a bit of a depression lately and personally I would say sobriety is the best antidepressant I have tried. Not intending to stir up any arguments, just saying my personal preference.
 
I think everyone here could benefit from reading this article about the influence that pharmaceutical companies have over psychiatrists and how they view lawsuits worth hundreds of millions of dollars as a "cost" of doing business. These companies are driven by greed, like any other corporation. To think that they have the welfare of consumers at heart is the height of gullibility and stupidity. There are many more in depth articles like this one if you do the research.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117313948379987.html

Very good read.
 
alright quick update:
its deffinitley working. every day i smoke about 2 small bowls, one in the morning and one in the evening.
im honestly fucking shocked at how much more better i feel. i can feel feelings again, im appreciative, my anxiety goes from moderate to mild. and i feel like it improves every day.
 
I definitely could go both ways on this issue. My son has been diagnosed with clinical depression, was prescribed meds and he just couldn't take the way they made him feel. I'm embarrassed to say he's been smoking weed since around the age of 15. (He is now 24)other than when he had to get clean for employment, he is an everyday smoker.He stays motivated and focused when he smokes. Buyt like I read earlier it has to be in moderation. Other wise your just like the "Guy"on the couch.
*Halfbaked+ Its a thin line my friend. Good luck to you.
 
Top