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Conspiracy Theories (“Alternative Research”)

Nope. swilow closed and it stays closed. But keep hope alive.

Why was it closed and why does it stay closed? He closed it because the information is triggering and some people don't want to accept that certain politicians that they adore are involved with child trafficking and sex with children (and possibly worse). Now with Epstein and the Finders information out in the open, there's no denying it.

So can you give me a good reason why it shouldn't be re-opened? Or if not will you admit that we are being prevented from discussing it?

(Epstein didn't kill himself)
 
JGrimez, you yourself are proof that there is no premise so well supported that it can't be denied. Nothing is undeniable. ;)
 
ABC news anchors did 9/11

The 9/11 conspiracy is all misguided and wrong. None of the conspiracy theorists have managed to figure out the truth.

The twin towers were actually destroyed by the occupants of the twin towers. It was actually the world's biggest and most elaborate mass suicide.

It was supposed to be a protest against capitalism. But evil capitalist forces in the bush administration covered it all up and framed Osama bin ladin for it.

Osama bin ladin doesn't even exist. He never did. He's a fictional character. The real reason we invaded iraq is because they're actually secretly a socialist utopia. The idea that it's not is actually more propaganda.

I mean ask yourself, have you ever personally been to iraq? If not, how do you know what it's like? Not that it matters, if you book a flight there all that happens is they project a recorded image against the plane windows then lead you through an elaborate simulation to cover it all up.

It's obvious, open your eyes man, WAKE UP!
 
In fairness, if we only allowed non debunked conspiracy theories, we shouldn't have this thread either. :p

My favorite thing about pizza gate is that hilarious story of the guy who took a rifle and stormed the pizza place to free the sex slaves. Only to find, pizza, and no sex slaves.

And then as expected the community accused him of being part of a conspiracy to make them look crazy, cause... Theorists gonna theorize.
 
In fairness, if we only allowed non debunked conspiracy theories, we shouldn't have this thread either. :p

My favorite thing about pizza gate is that hilarious story of the guy who took a rifle and stormed the pizza place to free the sex slaves. Only to find, pizza, and no sex slaves.

And then as expected the community accused him of being part of a conspiracy to make them look crazy, cause... Theorists gonna theorize.

What was the eventual punishment handed to that actor? (he had an IMDB page). Got off very lightly, mission accomplished.

Not debunked - Laura Silsby, the pedophile symbols, the coded emails, the pics from Comet Pizza's instagram, hosting bands that routinely joke about pedophilia, etc..

I guess if Snopes says it's debunked then that makes it true lol. You both don't know what you're talking about and are secretly fearful that this may be true so your only defense is ridicule as opposed to debunking the actual evidence. Face it many Democrats are probably pedophiles and sexual abusers. There's enough smoke now that's accepted by the mainstream for these allegations to be taken seriously.

But protecting a political class is more important than exposing the truth about children being abused. Leftist hypocrisy.
 
Yeah cause if some dumbass on YouTube says it, that's way better evidence than snopes right?

I don't ridicule as a defense, I "ridicule" if you can even call it that, because the absurd arguments proposed and evidence used has made debate completely impossible.

If you don't laugh you'd cry, I choose too laugh. And conspiracy theorists, uhh, alternative researchers, make it so easy.
 
You just use blanket smears and fill up the thread with noise. You're fearful that you may be wrong about so much (and you are) so that's why you're unwilling to discuss this seriously.

For eg Laura Silsby trafficking Haitian children and the Clintons coming to her rescue. Factually accurate, but I'd like to hear your serious explanation (won't happen, just ridicule and vague snide remarks at all conspiracy theorists, as if you think they're some cohesive movement). Relying on Snopes? LOL.

Now with Epstein you're either a conspiracy theorist (admitting the truth) or ignorant (believing the official story). Pick one.
 
@cduggles- I don't really understand, what happened with the comment being deleted. I don't really mind. My post was unaltered. I'm just having a bit of fun, but am still serious.
 
You just use blanket smears and fill up the thread with noise. You're fearful that you may be wrong about so much (and you are) so that's why you're unwilling to discuss this seriously.

For eg Laura Silsby trafficking Haitian children and the Clintons coming to her rescue. Factually accurate, but I'd like to hear your serious explanation (won't happen, just ridicule and vague snide remarks at all conspiracy theorists, as if you think they're some cohesive movement). Relying on Snopes? LOL.

Now with Epstein you're either a conspiracy theorist (admitting the truth) or ignorant (believing the official story). Pick one.

I've spent years discussing it with you seriously and frankly, I've had enough.
 
Something about the 9/11 "terror" attack I have found curious, among many other things, is that 2977 people died as victims. A well-known hadith by Muhammad is numbered 2977:

The part in bold has been widely quoted to show support for terror as it relates to Jihad/war for Islam.

SAHIH BUKHARI HADITH NO. 2977
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand. Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

It has given me some pause, to consider. I might consider that this was all pre-planned, but due to multiple other things I've noticed, it has only strengthened my belief in a "higher power". But, I'm not really sure what to make of it.

Please excuse my impatience. There is also a connection of this number (2977) to considerations on Hebrew words for "love" and "fear".

To root this - seeing numerical connections, or synchronicities with number, is common in people who believe there is some human brain behind this. I can't rule that out, but also I have seen far more connections, including that one of the prime factors of 2977, 229 (x13, also incidentally the amount of vertices that will create with lines drawn to each 229 vertices crossings is one I first recognized from finding it as a gematria of my name. This is also a gematria if the Hebrew word related fear, "יִרְאָה". Love, "אֲהַבָה", has a gematria value of 13.

A Shared Heart of Love
The 8 letters that form the geometric heart of both squares spell the words “the power of love” (עֹצְמַת אַהַבָה ), making love the shared heart, or root, of both the might inherent in the Ten Commandments and the love inherent in the Shema. The numerical value of this phrase “the power of love,” עֹצְמַת אֲהַבָה , is 613, the total number of commandments in the Torah. This observation demands further explication.

The 613 commandments are divided into 248 positive demands and 365 prohibitive commandments. In addition, “(the feeling of) love of the Almighty is the source of all the 248 positive commandments, and the fear of the Almighty is the source of the 365 prohibitive commandments.”15 As the commandment to fear God—”God, your God, you shall fear”16—is in itself a positive commandment, meaning that as just stated, it must be motivated by love, we may conclude that love is ultimately the source of all the commandments: both positive and prohibitive.

A related observation is that the numerical sum of the 16 letters in the last line of each of the two matrices, ר י ם ע ל פ נ י ו ב כ ל מ א ד ך is also 613, alluding to the fact that all 613 commandments are represented in these two seminal passages of the Torah.

Let us look at both sets of four corners, which we called the face of each square. The eight letters in the corners are: י ר א ה ש ל ו ך , whose sum is 572 = 13 · 44, or “love” (אֲהַבָה = 13) · 44,17 again alluding to the fact that the root of the entire Torah is indeed love.

Our final observation is that love permeates the totality of these four verses, for the sum of all 128 letters is 5953. The midpoint of 5953 is 2977, which is equal to 13 x 229. 13 is the numerical value of “love” and 229 is sum of the numerical values of “fear” and “love.” So what we have is “love” multiplied by “fear” and “love”*:

Source

One other light connection I noticed there is that 572 is one of the years Muhammad was said to be born in. I have more read 571, however. I do not know. Just noticed closeness.

George Washington was a surveyor in Culpeper (pull/pick peppers) County. The first spy ring...here (spys...spice) was organized by him, and called the Culper Ring. In Culper Code, 229 is "guilty". A road of 229 in Culpeper County is one seen in the X-Files episode where Dana gets abducted and disappears for awhile. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds plays- "Red Right Hand". The last road to the north off 229 is Somerset. Somerset County is where Flight 93 went down (target Capitol Building, or White House?)...This and other things.

*I am not sure about the accuracy of what is sourced, above - some parts seem inaccurate; basically I found this page while searching for references to 229, and found it here correlated with "fear" in some respect, where before I found it also around fear/terror, with 9/11 and the hadith relating to terror.

I am restricting myself from adding all that I could around this - but I can see how people form theories/ideas that these events were pre-planned, and why they might think humans did it. I've had personal experience where perhaps the only thing that really stopped me from believing it was some conspiracy, is the amount of interconnection down to myself - that if I believed it was conspiracy, I'd have to suspect those closest to me of being complicit. Basically I can't function like that, so I don't allow that.
 
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Something about the 9/11 "terror" attack I have found curious, among many other things, is that 2977 people died as victims. A well-known hadith by Muhammad is numbered 2977:

The part in bold has been widely quoted to show support for terror as it relates to Jihad/war for Islam.

SAHIH BUKHARI HADITH NO. 2977


It has given me some pause, to consider. I might consider that this was all pre-planned, but due to multiple other things I've noticed, it has only strengthened my belief in a "higher power". But, I'm not really sure what to make of it.

Please excuse my impatience. There is also a connection of this number (2977) to considerations on Hebrew words for "love" and "fear".

To root this - seeing numerical connections, or synchronicities with number, is common in people who believe there is some human brain behind this. I can't rule that out, but also I have seen far more connections, including that one of the prime factors of 2977, 229 (x13, also incidentally the amount of vertices that will create with lines drawn to each 229 vertices crossings is one I first recognized from finding it as a gematria of my name. This is also a gematria if the Hebrew word related fear, "יִרְאָה אֲהַבָה". Love in this, "אֲהַבָה", has a gematria value of 13.



One other light connection I noticed there is that 572 is one of the years Muhammad was said to be born in. I have more read 571, however. I do not know. Just noticed closeness.

George Washington was a surveyor in Culpeper (pull/pick peppers) County. The first spy ring...here (spys...spice) was organized by him, and called the Culper Ring. In Culper Code, 229 is "guilty". A road of 229 in Culpeper County is one seen in the X-Files episode where Dana gets abducted and disappears for awhile. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds plays- "Red Right Hand". The last road to the north off 229 is Somerset. Somerset County is where Flight 93 went down (target Capitol Building, or White House?)...This and other things.

I think some numerical symbology is legitimate but some people take it too far. There was no way to know exactly how many people were going to die during an attack of that scale.

Something that is interesting regarding 9/11 though was the insider trading that happened around the time, like some people shorting stock on the airlines. This lends weight to the hypothesis that it was Mossad/Zionist interests that were ultimately responsible for the attacks
 
If you were honest with your words then you shouldn't even be posting in this thread.

It's not up to you if I should be posting in this thread. It's up to the admins. If you don't like it you are completely welcome to take it to them.
 
If you were honest with your words then you shouldn't even be posting in this thread.
my default position is that people in the forum mean what they post. rather than second guessing people's motivations, i think it's better to respect that they're posting their beliefs in good faith, even if i disagree with them.

i think most people in the forum act broadly the same way. i think it's really disappointing, and it constantly devalues and disrupts discussion, that you can't offer the same basic level of respect to people with whom you disagree.

alasdair
 
The 9/11 conspiracy is all misguided and wrong. None of the conspiracy theorists have managed to figure out the truth.

The twin towers were actually destroyed by the occupants of the twin towers. It was actually the world's biggest and most elaborate mass suicide.

It was supposed to be a protest against capitalism. But evil capitalist forces in the bush administration covered it all up and framed Osama bin ladin for it.

Osama bin ladin doesn't even exist. He never did. He's a fictional character. The real reason we invaded iraq is because they're actually secretly a socialist utopia. The idea that it's not is actually more propaganda.

I mean ask yourself, have you ever personally been to iraq? If not, how do you know what it's like? Not that it matters, if you book a flight there all that happens is they project a recorded image against the plane windows then lead you through an elaborate simulation to cover it all up.

It's obvious, open your eyes man, WAKE UP!


To an engineer the conspiracy isn't that far fetched. I have spoken with many structural engineers and happen to be an engineer myself and that was a controlled explosion
 
To an engineer the conspiracy isn't that far fetched. I have spoken with many structural engineers and happen to be an engineer myself and that was a controlled explosion

Alrighty then. In your expert opinion, why is the official explanation implausible, and the controlled demolition explanation more so?
 
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