US Politics Conservative or liberal

[tryptakid]

So you’re saying people should have voted for Kamala cos she was the lesser of two evils. Okay, I kinda agree. Hate it but reals is reals.

I just don’t see where the Trump stuff being no biggie fits your point. That shit was kinda buckwild tbh.

 

[tryptakid]

You raise an interesting point, which is that among conservatives, and among liberals, they also accuse each other of being too conservative or too liberal. As a moderate/centrist, I have experienced this!

The conservatives of today would be considered very liberal 30-50 years ago.

I find that conservative/liberal dichotomies are too restrictive to really mean anything for me. I consider myself liberal, but I take issue with authoritarian liberalism (the US democratic party/new labor) almost as much as I take issue with conservatives. I find, on the whole, that far-xxxx on either side tend to be intolerable, yet my personal views would be considered somewhere in the broad 'far left' sphere. I don't try to be an activist, and I also feel like I learn more by listening to conservative views and seeking commonality between us as this is the way to bridge gaps and get beyond the pop-politik.

I'd define my views as: fiscally liberal, socially liberal, anti authoritarian, and pro community based solutions (bottom up vs. top down). Mutualism, libertarian socialism, and democratic socialism are the things I would be most likely to feel comfortable associating with, while fascism, communism, corporatism, MAGA, technocracy, and oligarchy are the perspectives I disagree most with.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

the problem is that we would still have a police state and a genocide that we fund, not much of a change besides being placated

 

[paranoid android]

I find that conservative/liberal dichotomies are too restrictive to really mean anything for me. I consider myself liberal, but I take issue with authoritarian liberalism (the US democratic party/new labor) almost as much as I take issue with conservatives. I find, on the whole, that far-xxxx on either side tend to be intolerable, yet my personal views would be considered somewhere in the broad 'far left' sphere. I don't try to be an activist, and I also feel like I learn more by listening to conservative views and seeking commonality between us as this is the way to bridge gaps and get beyond the pop-politik.

I'd define my views as: fiscally liberal, socially liberal, anti authoritarian, and pro community based solutions (bottom up vs. top down). Mutualism, libertarian socialism, and democratic socialism are the things I would be most likely to feel comfortable associating with, while fascism, communism, corporatism, MAGA, technocracy, and oligarchy are the perspectives I disagree most with.

How can Liberalism be anything but authoritarian though? All capitalism is by it's very nature authoritarian

 

[tryptakid]

I think of things like public benefit corporations as an example of value based capitalism -

 

[Shambles]

You raise an interesting point, which is that among conservatives, and among liberals, they also accuse each other of being too conservative or too liberal. As a moderate/centrist, I have experienced this!

The conservatives of today would be considered very liberal 30-50 years ago.

That is indeed true. However, the Liberals of today are also considered to be very right wing by the Leftists of today. And I think we have a point…

Whilst the Conservative has been dragged forward to have to accept basic decency like gay marriage and (in theory) equal rights for women and even POC, the Liberal hasn’t changed at all. They are still fiscally Liberal (ie Neocon) whilst also being socially progressive.

This false binary excludes the true Leftist which, whilst generally being socially progressive, is most focussed on economic Leftism. Proper Keynesian economics that created the post-war boom. Everything since then has been managed decline at best, borderline fascism at worst.