Condensed tea of 125g B. muricata + 28mg 4-ho-met

[λlτεrηιτγ]

In my last trip report I mentioned how erowid never published a trip report I wrote up on 4-ho-met combined with the Bannisteriopsis muricata (ayahuasca) vine.
Someone PM'ed me saying they had been searching for information on the combination. I managed to dig it up searching through old PMs on another forum. I remember polishing this version for erowid, but don't remember what exactly I changed. So I'll just post it.


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Trip Report:


Condensed tea of 125g B. muricata + 28mg 4-ho-met


Came home from having a few drinks, chugged a tall glass of spring water to try and flush alcohol from system.


Drank the muricata tea. Weighed out the 4-ho-met, threw it on back of tongue and washed it down. Started straightening up room. After a little while I needed to lay down. turned off lights and closed my laptop, and put on Mindfold. And I was gone.


My memory is hazy. I remember whizzing around what felt like a circuit board. I vaguely remember popping out on like a subway in japan? And seeing rainbow colored Japanese lettering coming out of one particular standing female. perhaps her thoughts? Or a communication.


Whizzing around again. this felt warm and euphoric, not cold and mechanical. During this I was also listening to buzzing and clicking, like a hard drive or something.


At one point I was seeing lots of alien language symbols. These were very sleek and uncomplex. Almost like tibetan language in the sleekness but less complex. kind of like a much less curvy, sleek version of this ~

I remember at times removing Mindfold in the middle of this and seeing my room as shades of grey with everything shuttering and a membrane of complex geometric patterning over everything.


I remember at one point lying in bed and feeling like female spirit/spirits were lying on top of me and kissing/licking my neck?


At one point I was making ssssss sounds like a snake. And this felt like "their" language. the ssss sounds had such dimension to them and felt as if it was an entire language. I felt as I made these sounds, my experience glowed as if more information flowed through me. tho untranslatable to me- the language, ect. It made me feel as though my spirit animal was a snake.


At one point I reflected on my ex girlfriend who'd best be described by the cure lyrics:


I found myself alone alone alone,
Above a raging sea,
That stole the only girl I loved,
And drowned her deep inside of me.


A girl that I have been on and off a million times with with for over 8 years. Who is now addicted to heroin and back with an old ex. I saw images of her with a skull over her. I consider the skull to mean: wrong path, demon; addiction, repressed psychological, emotional issues, defenses from opening up blockages and releasing addiction, bad energy, sickness, bad spirits. While seeing this image I felt pain in my heart.


A bit later I saw more skulls which were very beautiful and alien. Upon reflecting on them I felt strain in my heart again, as if to say these symbols, skulls, come from darkness and I should pull back, not lose myself in that direction/distraction.


I began to come down.




Outside of the greyscale vision that occurred in the midst of visions, (before and after) everything was beautiful. it reminded me of how I have Linux on my computer and it looks very streamlined and sleek and aesthetic compared to windows. this was like putting on a new consciousness. an alien insect/reptile consciousness where I could hear and see to an amazingly enhanced degree. Crazy trails, but the trails did not feel debilitating at all. they seemed to enhance my vision. Honing in and tracing lights back to their sources.


Almost like in Terminator 2 how his vision scans and reads everything like a computer. It reminded me of that but more organic and enhanced in a biological way, like the eyesight of a hawk.


The trip had begun to fade quickly, but enhanced senses of sight and hearing remained. I would also look at things, say on my computer, and hear multiple different voices, and personalities commenting on what I was looking at. These lasted a while and were very humorous and felt very separate from my own consciousness. These were in different dialects, like African-american, Australian.


After a while I tried to get at least one,two,three, hours in of sleep before work. Which proved futile. I had made the mistake of drinking some organic coffee and guayusa well after the trip as well as doing an enema with them. and could not silence my brain enough for sleep after.


I had been in a slump of depression for days beforehand. But all in all a very easy and positive experience that left me glowing and ready to take on my days. Just wish it was a bit more lucid and that I was able to make more sense of what I experienced.


4-ho-met is one of, if not my favorite psychedelic, and I'd been wanting to try this combination for a while. If the shamans say the Banisteriopsis is the cave and the DMT is the light, I replaced the DMT tryptamine with the 4-ho-met tryptamine for my light source. And felt it was deserving of the last of my best MAOi source- muricata rather than rue or something.


I think the intelligences behind the 2 spaces were glad to meet.

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Thanks for the report! I have been asking for info on maoi with 4 subs....
How long did it last? Was it comparable with ayahuasca?

 

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I don't remember how long it lasted, this was about a year and 4 months ago at this point. Sure, it was similar to ayahuasca.
Although I'm not tooo familiar with traditional ayahuasca. I'm more familiar with chaliponga & rue for example. But yeah, it was quite amnesic tho.
The alcohol definitely didn't help that. Plus the dosage was quite large, as that dosage of vine potentiated the 4-ho-met quite substantially.
Looking back at the trip report, I was surprised I wrote down as much detail as I had.

 

[Goddess Mode]

Hey, thanks so much for the PMs and for posting this! Very interesting stuff. 4-HO-MET is one of my favorite psychedelics too without a doubt.... This is more or less how I would have expected a trip with it + caapi to go, but it's great to see it validated! This really makes me want to try working my way up with moclobemide too to see what the difference is.... Maybe like 150 mg moclobemide + 15 mg 4-HO-MET to begin with. That sounds like a fun experiment. :D I actually just tried vaporizing 4-AcO-MET recently and that only deepened my interest in these compounds even more.... Things were getting very hyperspatial and dissociative and infinite-feeling from that, so I know there's some real potential there! Honestly I've thought pretty much from the start that 4-HO-MET (and 4-AcO-MET) is the most similar psychedelic in style and intensity to DMT that I've tried so far.

 

[λlτεrηιτγ]

ohh I miss 4-aco-met! =[ I only had a small amount to play with a while back. Really nice stuff. I find 4-ho-met to be be more internal. The beauty doesn't really come out till your in the dark or with eyes closed. Idk about higher doses. Interesting that vaping 4-aco-met works well. I've heard vaping 5-meo-mipt can be really great but I ran out. Vaping DPT is almost exactly like vaping DMT. cheers!

 

[Goddess Mode]

4-HO-MET is definitely nice in the dark. I feel like I become so sensitive to my perceptions on it that when I close my eyes its like I lock all of this energy into this tiny space in my head and that causes it to basically implode into dream-like visions. Honestly though, 4-HO-MET is very external for me as well, I actually find it to have the strongest open eye visuals of any psychedelic I've tried. The first time I ever tried it was immediately after waking up in the morning in the summer, I went swimming out back and it was pretty much fantastic. ^_^ The highest dose I've taken is 50 mg, but even 20 mg can give me significant sensory distortions.

As for 4-AcO-MET, I'm really not sure how I feel about that right now.... When I was new to synthetic tryptamines, I really thought there was an important difference between 4-HO and 4-AcO tryptamine trips, but lately I've started to question that.... The thing is that I normally find even chemically very similar psychedelics to be only superficially similar in trip style; like, despite what some people say, I find all of the 4-HO tryptamines to be totally unique psychedelics which could never fully substitute for one another. But, after trying more larger doses of 4-HO tryptamines and their 4-AcO counterparts, I'm starting to think that this isn't the case between them, and that the differences I initially observed may have just come down to natural variability between trips. What I can say for sure is that, after accounting for the difference in speed and intensity in vaporization vs oral, I could not have possibly told the difference between my vaporized 4-AcO-MET experience and any 4-HO-MET trip I've ever had in a blind taste test. I actually just tried 4-AcO-DET orally for the first time last night as well (wrote a trip report too if you're interested! ) and got a very unique visual effect on it that I've only ever gotten on 4-HO-DET before and nothing else, and I would be hard-pressed to differentiate the rest of the trip as well.... Just considering the very convincing scientific knowledge about acetate esters as well, I'm just starting to lean toward the belief that it really is the same molecule (the 4-HO) that is causing the psychedelic effects in either case... but that's just me. I at least personally find the trips to be interchangeable, which is good enough for me.

I've head that about 5-MeO-MiPT as well, but I'm kind of wary of 5-MeO tryptamines due to the possible cardiovascular effects.... Did you ever have any of that on 5-MeO-MiPT? I do have some more DPT that need to try as well, I haven't gotten a full dose yet but would really like to. :D For the record, vaping 4-AcO-DET worked for me as well! With entity contact and everything. It was really something, I'd definitely like to explore more of that!

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Can you please explain more about the process you used to vape these substances?

 

[Goddess Mode]

Honestly, I used about the simplest method possible - I sandwiched them into bowls, blue lotus for 4-AcO-DET and cannabis for 4-AcO-MET. Then just held the flame above the bowls and slowly lowered.... I would say be prepared to possibly lose some product since you may have to work with trial and error, but honestly I didn't think my vaped trips were lacking. I did 20 mg 4-AcO-MET and the faces I saw in the patterns were at least as vivid as they would have been if I had eaten that amount. The main difference was the reduced onset and duration and sped up trip, which made the visions and mindset more intense. I did 30 mg 4-AcO-DET and I also tried that orally last night at 30 mg, so I can make a fresh comparison. The open eye visuals I got from vaping were not as intense as eating it, but the visions were far more complex and photorealistic, more like smoking DMT compared to eating mushrooms. I also perceived a collection of demon entities after vaping 4-AcO-DET, but no such event happened after eating. In both cases, I can only imagine that my technique was awful... so if you can actually get it down to an art, you can probably get a lot more out of them even than I did. I'd want to try a vapor genie next time!

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Did you vape the Furamate salt?

 

[Goddess Mode]

Yep, can't say how effective that is compared to how the freebase or something would be though.

 

[λlτεrηιτγ]

I found 4-ho-met to be more external when experiencing stimulating things to your energies like swimming in a pool. Having sex on it once with a bit of mxe mixed in is the experience that really made me fall in love with 4-ho-met and the CEVs it produced blew my mind. I felt that 4-aco-met produced more OEVs tho, the visuals reminded me more of acid or mescaline. I remember being in my friends basement bathroom while the others were outside and watching the support beams warping. 4-AcO-DMT also to me feels quite different than mushrooms. I used to grow mushrooms and found them to actually be one of my least favorable psychedelics. Very harsh on bodily effects and on the ego. With feelings of dying effecting most of my trips. 4-Aco-DMT tho I felt was a more feminine glitzy visual and recreational designer drug version of mushrooms which felt cleaner on the body.

No, I've never experienced cardiovascular restriction on Moxy (5-meo-mipt). It was the best psychedelic I'd ever experienced for sex tho. It is known for that. Originally it was "foxy methoxy" than moxy came to be regarded as superior in that area. Moxy's visuals can also get quite impressive at just 10mg, reminding me quite a bit of acid but also a bit different.

I'd want to try a vapor genie next time!

Hehe, I have that. It's perfect for vaping chems. I don't even really use it for weed. Have a few times which it worked nice for, but use it just for chems since they leave their taste in it. Takes an effort to keep it crystal clean tho, mine always has a light brown tinge.

 

[Goddess Mode]

You are lucky my friend; I have a non-glass vapor genie which I did use for cannabis and did not clean, and it's now horribly clogged. Theoretically I suppose I could clean it out if I tried hard enough, but I don't know if I have the motivation for that haha.... I'd rather use a glass one for these compounds anyway, it seems like it would be much more effective! I'm going to have to order one pretty soon, I've really been itching to try one of those trips again hehe....

See, I do understand the subjective reasoning, but the thing is, speaking from a scientific standpoint, there's such an unbelievably low chance that the acetate esters produce any effects on their own.... Acetate esters do not last long in the body at all. Heroin has been shown to be no longer detectable in human plasma after about fifteen minutes tops in most people, or thirty for the most stubborn, with the peak concentration being about five minutes in followed by a fast decline. So first of all, if you're just eating these tryptamines then they should be pretty much entirely metabolized into their indolols before you even start feeling effects from them. Vaporization or IM/IV might keep them floating around while the drug effects are working, and I've seen arguments that the instant efficacy of injection is a testament to their activity, but heroin was also shown to begin forming 6-monoacetylmorphine almost instantly when entering the blood through IM administration, so that doesn't really prove anything either. Then, you have to consider the fact that 4-MeO-DMT and psilocybin, which 4-AcO-DMT lies structurally in between, have both been shown to have significantly reduced affinity for 5-HT2A receptors compared to psilocin, with psilocybin being tested to show a loss of affinity at every single receptor site they both bind to. So, realistically speaking, it would be incredibly unlikely for 4-AcO-DMT, and by extension its longer-tail analogues, to have even equal potency to its indolol. It's significant to say that, because 5-acetoxytryptamine, like heroin, has been shown to be able to get into the brain before hydrolyzing into serotonin, and they're apparently metabolized by the same enzyme, so it would be reasonable to think that the same could be true for 4-AcO tryptamines. But, given all the affinity data and hydrolysis comparisons, logically it would very likely require an extremely massive dose for there to even possibly be one active dose worth of the acetate still floating around in your body by the time you started feeling effects from taking these drugs orally, and by that point you would already be on an exponentially even larger dose of the indolol....

Personally, I think that the difference between them probably just comes down to a different delivery system. If it's true that 4-AcO tryptamines are getting into the brain before hydrolyzing, and that they have negligible affinity for receptor sites compared to the indolols, that would suggest that for the same dose of a 4-AcO, there's actually a higher than normal amount of the 4-HO getting into your brain without being eaten up by peripheral receptors, and it may get there very slightly quicker due to increased lipophilicity. And I think it's also worth considering that the lack of activity on peripheral serotonin receptors may have an direct impact as well, because some of them, such as around the heart, actually modify the activity of brain structures like the hypothalamus and locus coeruleus, two areas that are also directly modified by the action of psychedelics in the brain itself. The trips from the 4-HOs and the 4-AcOs definitely feel different in some ways, I can attest to that... but do they feel so different that it can't just be rationalized by the latter being more potent by weight for the brain versus the body and getting there a little faster? That I wouldn't be so confident in saying.... Like, my thought when I first tried 4-AcO-MET was also that it had more open eye visuals, but the more I've tried them, the more I've realized that it really is more, but not necessarily different. I've never tried mescaline, but I do indeed find it to be very similar to LSD in style, with lots of grid lines and shadow swirls and luscious designs in all of the imagery... but nothing I've ever seen on 4-AcO-MET like that is something I haven't also seen on 4-HO-MET, but just less developed or in my face about it. One of the biggest differences I thought was there was that 4-HO-MET always seemed to start more like mushrooms does for me, whereas 4-AcO-MET always seemed to start more like DMT... until I tried 50 mg of 4-HO-MET, which also started nearly identically to DMT, and was extremely visual in a way only comparable to 4-AcO-MET for me. I found that experience in particular to be very eye-opening....

About 4-AcO-DMT, I don't really consider a comparison to mushrooms to be valid anymore.... I did, until I heard a number of accounts of verified pure synthetic psilocin use which actually sounded honestly more like 4-AcO-DMT.... The consensus was essentially that it definitely felt like mushrooms of course, but that it was amazingly smooth on the body and incredibly clearheaded, not harsh at all; some say it felt more DMT-like due to those changes. Those are all of like the exact words I would use to describe 4-AcO-DMT personally.... I used to be of the opinion that psilocin was probably the only active compound in mushrooms, but that's actually a pretty bold claim to make with basically zero research ever having been done on the activity of its other compounds or how they might alter the activity of psilocin, even if they're not psychedelic on their own; like, even if some of those indoles don't get into the brain, they'd still be activating the aforementioned peripheral receptors, you know? The more I thought about how heavy mushrooms can be, the more I thought, does that really sound like pure psilocin? Basically every 4-HO-N,N-dialkyltryptamine in existence is extremely smooth on the body aside from maybe light nausea or tremors on the come up and incredibly lucid, so why would it make sense for psilocin to be so different? All of those reports I've heard of pure psilocin sound much more correct to me, and much more in line with 4-AcO-DMT compared to other indolol vs acetate groups.... In any case, I certainly won't be making any future judgments in that regard until I've tried pure psilocin on its own. I have a feeling that there is some part of the mushroom picture we're not seeing that is complicating this situation....

I can imagine that 4-HO-MET would be quite nice for sex lol. That and 4-HO-DET are the two tryptamines I'd like to try the most for it! The only thing that I've noticed about 4-HO-MET is that it sort of feels more like... MDMA or something, in that orgasmic sensations are enhanced because I'm already feeling orgasmic, but not because I'm actually really horny like I would be on LSD or something, though my imagination still gets pretty erotic. 4-HO-DET is mostly the opposite for me: there's not much of an orgasmic glow at all, but I need to satisfy my sex drive like there's no tomorrow. I'm usually too out of it to actually do so for most of the trip, but that makes its way into some very powerful sexual hallucinations hehe.... I've heard that about 5-MeO-MiPT too, I have been interested in it for that as well. If I was ever going to try a synthetic 5-MeO tryptamine, it would probably be that one.... The visuals I would like to see at least once, I have heard some nice things about them. Good to hear that you didn't have any issues with it, that really is my major concern. I pretty much have no interest in using any drugs outside of cannabis, LSD, and 4-substituted tryptamines anymore due to past concerns with reckless drug use and heart problems... which I seem to have luckily come out of okay now, but it's made me extra appreciative and cautious of my health. I can't say I haven't been really curious about 5-MeO-MiPT though anyway, it seems to be one of them that really stands out from what I've heard....

 

[λlτεrηιτγ]

Ahh, great post. Thanks for that. I would have never believed 4-aco-dmt is converted to 4-ho-dmt before effects are felt until you explained it the way you did. It does make sense that pure psilocin would feel totally different than mushrooms. You can even see or read about the differences in various mushrooms species like Psilocybe cyanescens, psilocybe azurescens, panaeolus cyanescens. Which are higher in psilocin and lower in psilocybin, at least 2 of the species? if I remember correctly. And they're considered to be totally different mushroom experiences with more lucidity and cleaness of effects on the body.

I'd love to hear about your 50mg 4-ho-met trip, as I've never ventured that high.

Which drugs have given you heart issues? That's why I totally avoid stimulants. I hate having a racing heart and racing thoughts. I've experienced some heart arrhythmia a few times, once the day after some 3-meo-pcp. I forget what else. I've never had really any toxic effects from psychedelics that I can really remember. at least 3 or 4 friends of mine have also tried 5-meo-mipt and never complained about any side effects.

5-meo compounds seems to have a strong effect on eroticism in my experience. I remember once taking like 50mg 5-meo-dalt + 100mg MDAI and that produced one of the more intense sexual experiences I'd experienced. This was after a long panic attack on the come up, maybe from some cardiovascular effects? I don't know but I was also less experienced at the time. Gf started touching me and I snapped instantly out of feeling terrible. I never messed too much with 5-meo-dmt so not sure if that would cause any aphrodisia. I've never heard of anyone being much else but scared shitless or experiencing a state of void, with that one.

I'm gonna direct my friend to this thread soon, he'll prob have some interesting input.

cheers!

 

[Goddess Mode]

No problem, glad you found it enlightening. Yeah, I've heard about the differences between mushroom strains as well, but I really don't know which mushrooms I've eaten personally. Mostly I think I've just had cubes, but some have definitely been stronger than others in different ways! I would really love to try some of those high psilocin strains, it'd be really cool to see what the difference is.

The 50 mg of 4-HO-MET was pretty cool, it was sort of a spontaneous decision one night when I really wanted to think about some things in my life. As I said, it started off as DMT often does for me; shortly after a rising feeling of energy, my field of vision started to disappear behind a mesh of transforming hyperspatial objects and human designs. It caught me off guard at first, because when I hit that point on DMT it's often accompanied by this feeling that I'm about to be blasted with something really heavy that can give me some fear if I'm not prepared for it, but I quickly realized that this trip was totally smooth and in control and I felt really relaxed. Once the trip really started taking form, I was seeing huge spinning kaleidoscopes roll by that contained imagery of Roger the alien from American Dad! These eventually opened up to reveal a massive sphere of visual architecture that was slowly spinning around me at its center. It had a mostly blue surface and was covered in mostly green wireframe lines, and there were multiple rings of creeping and crawling animals and spiders rotating all around it. When I would walk around my house in the dark I would also see these creatures moving around on surfaces, or suddenly growing into existence in the form of flashing rainbow lights.... Mentally, I was extremely lucid aside from normal issues like not really remembering much about how the day went before I started tripping, but I was still able to reflect on aspects of my life with a lot of clarity. I was actually focused to the point that I felt like I was having a major psychedelic adrenaline rush, and the sensory information I was receiving was so unfiltered that it really did feel like I was taking everything in on overdrive like that. I ended up going out back and sitting on a lawn chair while looking up at the night sky and listening to the trees blowing around in the wind.... I actually didn't pay too much attention to the visual hallucinations during this trip because I truly was preoccupied with the life issues I had gone in wanting to think about, but what I did see was beautiful. At one point I decided to meditate with eyes closed and was presented with a group of females (more than just visuals but not quite entities, more like surface-level ego constructs) all dressed in like a mixture of sexy bathing suits and latex outfits, and I just watched them drift around and reach out to me for a bit while lost I was lost in thought.... At another point I felt myself slipping out of body, I was actually creating a poolside scene from my imagination, but it happened so quickly that I sort of startled myself out of it. I've still been wanting to go back and experiment more with that.... It was a very interesting experience for sure, I definitely gave it a high rating! Next time I think I would do it during the day though with lots of stimulating things to do to give the visuals a chance to really make some magic, hehe.

Yeah, I wish I had thought to avoid stimulants haha.... I've always been sort of a hypochondriac which makes me extra cautious of things, but cardiovascular health was never one of my worries until I experienced problems for the first time on drugs, and then the implications of all of the less wise choices I've made all started to catch up to me and pile on, and it still took me a while to fix my behavior after that. Actually I say "for the first time", but it was really like a slow build up.... The drug that gave me the most problems by far was diphenhydramine. It always caused a lot of vasoconstriction in me at trip doses, and most of the time I would also notice some irregularity of my heartbeat accompanied by weirdly labored breathing. Back then it was basically my escape drug like people use heroin (I needed something a little more mentally obliterating) so noticing these things wasn't enough to stop me from using it, at first. After a while though, I actually kept getting pains in my chest pretty regularly, along with around my stomach and intestines, lots of muscle soreness, tension headaches, and frequent panic attacks, usually accompanied by tremors especially after smoking weed.... Obviously, a lot of this started really freaking me out. It took a lot of medication, then abstinence, self-therapy, patience, doctor visits, and relentless optimism to finally get to a point where I feel like I may not have done any real permanent damage after all and I'm sort of able to function in life normally again. One of the most important realizations I've made is that my abuse seems to have sensitized me to sensory stimulation.... That seems to be the only logical explanation for most of my physical symptoms that exist without apparent causes, basically something like fibromyalgia where normally bodily "baseline" pain signals are felt supra-threshold and create chronic discomfort. Smoking weed too much enhances all of those symptoms across the board, which is part of what made me initially realize that the symptoms were at least partially just perceptual....

I mention this because my process of coming to understand this actually had a pretty big impact on my perception of the physical effects of drugs. Over the course of a few years, I went through the process of slowly having to pick apart all of these anxieties of apparent physical issues.... What felt like crippling stomach pain could actually just be a need to pass gas, would resolve entirely upon doing so, but it took me quite a while to fully piece that together in my scattered mental state. Similarly, a feeling of crushing weight in my chest invariably turned out to just be a need to burp. There was a certain period in time when I was actually so worried about my cardiovascular health on drugs that I would frequently become inconsolably delusional about the color of my fingertips during a panic attack, which was at least once a day. I had super high blood pressure that whole time as well, which is not really surprising and obviously wasn't helping my confidence to keep checking. This is around when I was saying my thoughts of all of the other stupid drug decisions I'd made started coming back to bite me too.... There were times when, for instance, I would deliberately take high doses of stimulants combined with weed so that I could hallucinate from them, and I have had a tight chest from doing that multiple times. I also just tended to go too over the top on pretty much any drug I could get my hands on, and things like alcohol and synthetic cannabinoids in particular made me worried because of how I was afraid that they might have contributed to my seemingly deteriorating health. It's been since then especially that I've just never been able to think of those drugs the same way again.... And now, because of how I feel things so strongly, any drug that actually does cause like a racing heart or chest tightness can send me into extremely high anxiety if I don't immediately start working to keep myself as calm as possible. It makes it very difficult to even enjoy DMT much at all these days, as I don't use it often enough to have a tolerance to its physical effects.... That's part of why I love LSD and 4-substituted tryptamines so much though, they're the lightest drugs on the heart that I've ever encountered. As for drugs that do give me problems now, for example, even less than 100 mg of MDMA now can cause my heart to beat very rapidly and cause a lot of anxiety, I stopped taking it because I would always have to terminate it with a benzo. I also tried DXM once in the last year, and likely never will again because a dose that years ago just made me feel sort of drunk this time made me so stimulated that I was afraid of having a heart attack or something, and I was tripping too hard to think rationally about it so I had to terminate that too. I can't even imagine trying a stimulant these days, it sounds terrifying quite frankly.... I don't need that stuff though anyway, I'm quite content with my tryptamines. Actually I've never had any problems with phenethylamines either, but I haven't used them that much, and I know that they seem to much more commonly cause things like vasoconstriction, so I haven't been too interested in them aside from intellectual curiosities....

I actually have talked to a few people who find 5-MeO-DMT to be sexual, but at least one of them tends to think this of all psychedelic experiences. (I'm in the same boat.) That's interesting about the 5-MeO-DALT, have you taken MDAI on its own before? I wonder if that alone could have caused the cardiovascular effects like MDMA.... I've heard of people taking pretty huge doses of 5-MeO-DALT so I figure it can't be too bad, but I suppose 50 mg is high for a combination. I have heard people say that the 5-MeO class is very sexual before, I wonder why that could be? Personally, I might've lucked out in this category because I find the psychedelic state to be inherently sexual in many ways, and generally the deeper the psychological effects go and the more complex the hallucinations get, the more erotic it all feels to me, as long as I'm not uncomfortable for some reason. So, I have a hard time believing that many things could be stronger aphrodisiacs in me than 4-substituted tryptamines, hehe.... Not that I'm not willing to give them a shot! But the trips I get on them are already just oozing sexuality, they tap into a very hedonistic but sophisticated aspect of my mind.... I'm curious, have you tried 4-HO-MiPT? I often hear people speak favorably of that one for erotic purposes as well; I actually find it to be not unlike a gentler MDMA with an expansive but lucid mindset and visuals comparable to psilocin, but with an electric and modern or sometimes alien edge. It's not very visual for me at all at regular doses, but combining 25 mg of it with 25 mg of 2C-I caused some of the most stimulating sexual visuals I've ever had, like romantic rose pattern borders draped around females in brilliantly multicolored and collectively full spectrum latex wear (a recurring theme for me on 4-substituted tryptamines) with closed eyes. I'm very interested in exploring that one some more at higher doses as well, and eventually the base MiPT when I have the time for it, they seem to be a sexy family....

Well, I'll be awaiting what he has to say. I need to take a break from typing now, I'm starting to get a headache from staring at the screen lol. Might be the weed contributing too....

 

[λlτεrηιτγ]

Yeah dude, Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and Dimenhydrinate (Dramamine) are terrible drugs lol. I've experimented with both back in the earlier days, may even have mixed them once. Dirty delirious states that feel terrible on the body.

Yes, I have taken MDAI alone on a few occasions. The batch I had seemed to be unique in that it produced an amazing serotonergic roll that lacked nothing. Where as the consensus online is that MDAI sucks. Two of my friends tried it as well and were blown away, tho they don't have experience with MDMA and such. Or many drugs in general.

But I found 5-mapb to be the new MDMA for me. Better and less stimulating at the doses I've tried. Great for even just cuddling. Very clean and euphoric with a serotonin push. Amazing compound.

5-meo-dalt space is pretty empty. 5-meo-dalt causes a tingling vibrating kind of feeling that gets stronger at say 50mg, but still pretty easy to deal with. Not at all like 50mg of a normal tryptamine, which would have someone tripping pretty hard.

But the trips I get on them are already just oozing sexuality, they tap into a very hedonistic but sophisticated aspect of my mind....

For me, when I'm tripping hard it can be hard for me to have interest in sex. Well, I guess it depends on the drug and how comfortable I am with the person. Some heavy tripping can kill my sex drive and make the sense of touch feel strange. Tripping quite hard on mescaline while having sex in a jacuzzi was a quite nice and memorable experience tho lol.

I don't remember if I've tried 4-ho-mipt. There's one or two xIPTS I can't remember because I've confused the names, so many different numbers and letters! ahah. I've mixed 2c-i with mescaline tho, that was quite a great time. We saw a flying squirrel make 2 glides over us at a park, that were like shots out of national geographic. and that same night saw something that resembled a star moving across the skies.

 

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Totally agreed, I don't know why I thought I liked them so much back then! I think it was just the strength of the hallucinations keeping me around, because I couldn't get genuinely good drugs back then. I'm still thankful my abuse ended as early as it did, which definitely could have been more....

That's interesting about MDAI, I'd heard before that people think it's sub par but I've always been interested in it. I'd definitely think about trying some if it ever came my way after that recommendation! I've heard a lot about those compounds like 5-MAPB and 6-APB and what have you. They definitely sound interesting, especially the more psychedelic ones, but honestly I'm a little wary of serotonin releasers now... mostly because of the anxiety MDMA can cause me, and the 5-HT2B agonism. If I could really pick one to still try, it would probably be MMDA, hehe.... Hopefully one day I'll be so lucky. Maybe I just need to roll with the right person though, I haven't really had the most therapeutic environments the last few times I tried MDMA....

That 5-MeO-DALT does sound pretty weak, I guess that's not so high of a dose after all! The only doses I've heard of having significant psychedelic effect were somewhere between 100-250 mg, and even those were said to be kind of atypical. It definitely sounds interesting to me, but I really don't think I'd want to dose that high with it just to get some significant effects....

That's interesting.... Well see, for me it's more about the emotion of it.... I definitely can understand the sense of touch feeling weird. The only trip that really does to me fairly consistently is DMT, and that's also the only psychedelic I've so far found to feel sexual less often than not, but again, I may be predisposed to negative mindsets on it because of the racing heart.... I really do most of the time feel incredible on psychedelics, but there are exceptions.... But for me, it's the mindset, the feelings of it that make all the difference. Something about a mind fractured by ecstasy... just gets me going! The crazier I get, the more I just feel like I'm losing myself to the pleasure.... And ego death is just an orgasm, a fully submissive experience of emotional release.... (And don't even get me started on the actual orgasms!) The hallucinations do help too though, on multiple levels. Psychedelics are my favorite hallucinogens because of them particularly when mixed with cannabis, because it's not like all hallucinations are like this for me.... I actually do admittedly have something of a hallucination kink as well that ties in with the getting crazier thing, but psychedelics specifically have an extremely high tendency of causing complex hallucinations with explicitly sexual undertones for me, regardless of their overall emotional or intellectual content. If I'm tripping so hard that my perception essentially becomes delirious nonsense, my sexuality starts to go to some very abstract places.... Ahh, I want to try mescaline so bad!! I've heard so many wonderful things about it, and now that's added to the list. >w< I've always figured it would just have to be great for really anything tactile, phenethylamines are just splendid in that way....

Aw man, well you need to find out if you have!! Well, I think you'd like it anyway lol. I'm thinking about trying 50 mg or so the next time I take it so that I can see what its more powerful hallucinations really like.... I've tried 4-HO-DiPT as well, but only combined with LSD so far. I really wish I could taste it on its own, but what I've experienced so far was pretty nice.... 2C-I mixed with mescaline sounds truly remarkable! That sounds like a beautiful trip. 2C-I is a very odd substance for me.... I'm very sad, I gave away my last 25 mg to a friend telling him to take all of it at once knowing his tolerance, and he tried splitting it into two doses and barely got anything out of either. I really wish it could have gone to better use, I really would have enjoyed that myself.... But it's in the past. Anyway, 2C-I I've always found to be a very unique hallucinogen.... It's mentally shallow and the visuals don't usually become overly deep, but what is there is beautiful, and the tactile side of the high can get SO intense.... At 90 mg it actually gave me the strongest euphoria I've ever experienced in my life, comparable to the overwhelming bliss of ego death but without the dissociation.... I've tried combining it with both LSD and 4-AcO-DMT in addition to 4-HO-MiPT, and neither of those combos was really as great as the last, and even those meshed in a cool but strange way.... I've always thought that combining it with another phenethylamine might be the way to really see its potential in a combination, so with mescaline just sounds fantastic. I'd definitely try it if given the chance!