Harm Reduction complex withdrawal questions

[mygreenbic]

So i am withdrawing pretty bad from clonazepam 4mg a day for a couple years and i have a pretty hefty bottle of 600 mg gabapentin tabs. I don't get my benzos refilled until three days from now. I'm wondering if the gabap can ease the withdrawal and maybe prevent withdrawal seizure. Does anyone recommend a dose regimen to keep me from losing my mind until my refill? Also at my disposal i have hydroxyzine hcl, mirtazapine, and two suboxone strips in my small arsenal. I have a tolerance to pretty much everything and usually have more, but i just broke up with my girl and let depression and anxiety take over.
One more thing i get severe migraine pretty easily so if you think any of my mess will trigger this let me know. I'm pretty screwed on the subs too because i was getting them free off my ex girl friend. Now after these two strips are gone, I'm in trouble. I withdrawal from bupe pretty severely so some help on this huge mess please! By the way when i get my lions filed i also get 60 adderall 30mg irs, 30 30mg temazepams, and more gaba. Maybe some of these can be integrated into a bupe withdrawing regimen. I know this is a complex and confused post, but i really need advice. I usually could figure it out for myself, but do to the benzo withdrawal and the depression from breaking up my head is really cloudy. Please help,
Dave
My email *snip*

 

[macd610]

I'm so sorry to hear you're going through all this shit at once. I must admit, I have no answers to any of your questions...I've no experience with any of the meds you mentioned. Any way you could get in with your MD, maybe let him or her know youre going through a REALLY hard time,& ask him/her for some sort of benzo for a few days? This may be a stupid question, at this point I'm guessing if this were possible you would have done it.
Anyway, I really just wanted to let you know that I will be thinking of you and hoping for the best. I realize this doesn't do a whole lot of good.... Just wanted you to know there are people here who care

 

[Jabberwocky]

Gaba will certainly help a bit with you benzo w/d. Shoot for like 2000-3000mg over the course of the day (i.e. 1500mg morning and late afternoon). Or 750mg four times a day. If I were you I'd just take it as needed, although gaba and me never really got alone well, yet most have no trouble tolerating it (including myself).

Regrading the suboxone, how much have you been taking and for how long? This is the big question that will play a large role in determining what kind of taper/detox will suit you best.

Basically an easy way to get off it if you only have a little at your disposal is to not touch the stuff until you feel like absolute shit (which will be approximately 48-72hrs after your last dose). Once you get to that point take 1mg, or the two 48-72hr cycles you can take 2mg (but absolutely no more than 2mg as you have a very limited supply). Then once you're down to your last 4mg of suboxone only take 0.5 mg every 48hrs. Once you're down to 1mg of your suboxone left take 0.25 every 48 hrs.

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This kind of taper would require rigorous self control, so it might not be the best for you. Any variation on the underlying concept will be fine though. These principles are:

1. Don't redose until you feel like you absolutely need to;
2. Never redose with more than 2mg;
3. Ration you dosages, so that by the time come when you run out of suboxone you won't have to jump off more than 0.5mg (ideally you want to jump from 0.25mg to 0mg)

Gaba can also be a BIG help for some during opioid w/d, so if you have to/want to do a fast taper off the suboxone, feel free to take as much (more or less) gaba as needed.

Regarding the gaba again, just take it as needed. You'll probably need to take a lot of it given your benzo tolerance (I am assuming there is a little cross tolerance here?).

I don't have nearly as much benzo w/d experience as I do with suboxone/opioids, tbh, but I think you'll be okay given you only have to wait a couple days and have so much gaba on hand.

 

[cj]

Oh man thats not good bro. I would go to detox but im a pussy like that. The sub withdrawl is gonna be nasty what dose are you on? the benzo withdrawl can be deadly and I dont think anything you got will prevent a siezure.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Will the w/d get that bad in just three days? Like I said, I only have so much experience with the benzo w/d. Too bad he doesn't have any valproic acid. That seems like it is basically a necessity when detoxing from cns depressants. Gaba should help at least a little though, shouldn't it?

Hopefully he doesn't really have to start his suboxone taper in earnest until he has his benzo prescription refilled. I think this pretty much a necessity.

 

[mygreenbic]

Sorry for the late reply, i just got my email notification. Your posts were extremely informative, as that was exactly what i was looking for, all of you. Tooth paste, woe that was perfect, i have a question however, how do i make my sub strips such small doses. After i open the pouch, the strips dry out and get brittle. And bad news for me, i only have 8mg left. I found myself burning through it today to aid the Benz withdraw.
The person that asked about my sub history, i have been taking it on and off since 2004 with breaks for heroin relapses and rehab . Is say if i were to give you an average, it would come out to 16mg a day. I've been through excruciating withdrawal from it before but that's because i usually never rewrite before jumping off. I want to use tooth party's method and is hate to ask after you put in all that effort making me that nice chart, but can you give me some guidance on tapering off with one 8mg strip >_< .
Thanks for being there all of you, this is what harm reduction spirit is all about!!
Even saying you are there for me and I'm in your thoughts helps. A fifty for your help: today i read a book on my nook, you can Google out and find it in pdf format, is neuropolitics by tim leary... i think people add intelligent and well spirited and you this would benefit from this reading. Eagerly looking forward to your reply,
mygreenbic

 

[silentcowboy]

i would call around to smoke shops in your area and see if they carry kratom, it would atleast slow down the usage of the subs. you would need quite a lot though, like 10+ grams but it might help

 

[Znegative]

The gabapentin will help a lot with the suboxone withdrawals. I would do what toothpastedog recomended, and hold off on the suboxone for as long as possible. If you've been taking 16mg on avg/day, the withdrawals should not really get unbearable until the 72 hour mark (or at least that's what I found when I was at that dosage). With the aid of gabapentin you should be able to make it to that point without the sub, and get a lot of relief off of 1-2 mg.

If you want to divide the strips up accurately, you would do so ideally using water measurements. I wouldn't offten suggest taking suboxone through another route of administration, but since you're running so low, you might consider plugging it, or taking it sublingually with alchohol to boost up the absorption-that way you can get a lot more out of that last strip.

The real concern is the benzo's though, as it can be life threatening. Luckily you've been taking a long acting one, but cold turkey is still too big of a risk, you need to find a way to get a hold of a few more clonazepam's or some Valium. And don't take the suboxone to try and aide your benzo withdrawal, it won't help, and then you'll be fighting to very vicious gorilla's.

 

[mygreenbic]

I made the mistake of taking exedrin for migraine this morning forgetting it has caffeine, now i am shaking so bad. From klon withdrawals. I can hardly finish this post, but i wanted to say, i wake up every day in opiod withdrawals. I think because i shoot my subs every morning. I have been onions for over a decade now and every time i withdrawal gets so much worse. I can't finish this post fuck

 

[cj]

Dude that sounds like benzo wirthdrawl. I'm not a health care proffesional but if your shaking like that and are out of benzos then you need to call your doctor and get an early refill.

 

[mygreenbic]

As soon as my doctor hears my voice he gets his " med seeking" defense prepared so, no early refill... i have to wait until two more days to get my temazepam and another week or so for my clonazepam. Thinks is a nightmare,i really hope no one has to event feel like this.. it's to the point were dying would feel like a welcomed event

 

[mygreenbic]

Oh my god, i mixed up my last sub and drew it up into my last syringe and it clogged. Oh my god i pushed so hard to un clog it and half of it shot all over my jeans. I have like 3 mg of solution left leading in the broken syringe. What the help am i going to do? Help?!!!
:_(

 

['medicine cabinet']

If you have insurance, go to like patient first or something and they may be able to give you a shot of bupe of a small rx of something to last you until you can get your rx refilled. they dont take benzo WD as lightly as they do with opi WD as i have learned from ex[perience. must because of the whole dying thing.

maybe try getting your temazepam early at least?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Okay, first take 3000mg of gaba. Seriously you need to DOSE yourself with that shit. Given you're benzo tolerance you're gonna have to literally take as much as possible of that stuff (okay, try for less than 10g, but you get the point).

If possible split that last bit of suboxone three ways if possible (one-one-one). If you're dying that bad though, just take the rest of your sub, gobble down a BUNCH of gaba and head out to the ER. By the time they actually get to you you'll be back in acute benzo w/d and they'll have to sedate you. I know, this sucks, but I think we're in worst case scenario mode here now.

I'm so sorry OP. This sounds like it sucks. No, it doesn't sound like it sucks, it sounds much, much worse.

My goes out to you.

No shame in going to the hospital. Even an antipsychotic might get you through the next couple days, although even in benzo w/d I imagine I'd try to stay the fuck away from psych wards...

I'm not suggesting this, but I'm wondering:

Does anyone think getting drunk might help the OP through benzo w/d? I'd imagine it might make it worse, as alcohol can lower your seizure threshold once it's raised it after immediate ingestion... So he's have to have a vodka IV setup or something... which again I'd never recommend to anyone... Shit, I can't believe I post that advice...

Disregard last paragraph 8(

 

[mygreenbic]

I feel bad for replying so late, i have been to the democratdetox allot and last time i had to sign myself in suicidal.last time i went there wasn't any beds so i had to sign myself in suicidal. I was in severe benzo withdrawal, along with methadone withdrawal and the sadistic doctor wanted to teach me a lesson and i ended up locked in there kicking cold turkey aside from trading for sleep. I ended up having a seizure and after ten days of hell moved to the er where i escaped and got heroin. So you can see why the hospitals scare me. Right now i am pretty sure I'm about to have a seizure unless the gaba prevents it
I ate about five or six grams on the advice of you guys. I think it gave me profuse diarrhea unless that is thewithdrawal, and it has me chewing my lips like mdma. I feel like my spine is going to jump out of my back and run up the walls like an alien. Severe psychomotor restlessness. This actually has a slight psychedelic edge to it. Feels like i took a few hits of acid and was locked in a tight closet if you could imagine what that feels like. The only thing that keeps me from suicide is knowing that i have things left to explore and i don't yet understand how to travel the astral planes. I want to get that completely down before i leave my body. Inner space. Wow what am i talking about this for. My brain is going a million miles an hour. I have a touch screen cell phone... one where you trace your finger from letter to letter to type. My finger is flying around the screen like zoro's sword if he were on amphetamine and mescaline. I'm not even thinking its like my brain is on auto pilot this is a hell i hope none of you work yourselves into. God bless anyone with such a dilemma! Everything smells like burning plastic. I called in my temazepam refill and they said i can pick it up tomorrow, but not the klonopim do you guys think the teams is strong enough to stop or n to the bath room.ease this beast? I've taken the whole script of 30 30mg capsules before ( not recommended for anyone but i didn't pass out) my stomach is tore up. Someone please reply you guys are helping so much. The karma on your lives will be of great positivity i got to ru

 

[King J]

Take your hydroxine dude wtf are you doing? That's an anti-anxiety medication. I'm on Klonopin too and Hydroxine helps a lot even though it's not a benzo it's still anti-anxiety medication and takes off a lot of load.

Regarding Neurontin don't take such a high dose are you trying to kill yourself? Neurontin DOES give seizures. It has given me one. You can only take up to like 2000mg in a whole day. I took 1800mg in one dose and the pharmacy flipped saying that is the max dose for a day but I was alright.

 

[Jabberwocky]

OP - if you're stomach is really beating you up go out and get some loperamide. I remember gaba at high doses used to make me feel a little like I was tripping, so I know what you mean. Also, at high doses I remember it messed with my stomach a bit, but it sounds what you're dealing with is a mix of this and opioid w/d issues. Regardless, the loperamide will help A LOT with the opioid w/d issues, and it should also help with the GI issues caused by the huge gaba dose.

And regarding Gaba, I myself have taken more than 4 grams in a sittying, and I know others who have taken way more. Obviously, as you mention above, it's not the best idea, but if it's all you got it's all you got.

Gaba overdoses generally only happen in the range of 20g+, and the only one I know of (although I'm sure it's happened to many other at many other times; point being I only know one person who's od'd on gaba) ate 32grams.

hydroxyzine + gaba surely would help more than either alone. Sorry I overlooked that you had hydroxyzine.

Don't worry OP, gaba causing a seizure is a very rare side effect. Which shouldn't be so surprising, considering it's prescribed to help treat seizure disorders...

You're almost there OP!!!! You got this. And your script WILL help you a lot. Def talk to your doctor about your experiences, and plan ahead so that you don't have to suffer so much again. At least try to keep some on reserve, although as a junkie myself I know how impractical such a suggestion often is

 

[mygreenbic]

Thanks man, i took some hydroxyzine hcl hopefully it'll help. I feel like I'm on spendinspeed from the gaba. This is just really really difficult, thank you guys for the advice so far. I can't wait for the temaz!! Keep the advice coming I'm not out of this yet1!!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Lol, it's sad, but I totally know what you mean feeling a bit speedy. I guess you've had enough gaba for now... Too bad you don't have any phenibut around, as that would have helped you sooooo much during this. That might be the sort of thing you might wanna keep on hand if this ever happens to you again, given it's somewhat low abuse potential (at least, lower imho than most benzos).

 

[mygreenbic]

Oh shit i forgot about loperamide i have a bottle from when i got out of rehab for paws
That stuff helps so much people don't realize. It is thought that it doesn't cross the blood brain bar, but it does. Its just pumped back out by pg pumps and hydrocarbons is actually an inhibitor of those pumps. And it actually does work i learned
I actually thought it could have been placebo but i found out the hard way when after taking it for a week, i then shot up a sub and went through precipitated withdrawal. So yes you can activate it
Quinine works the best to inhibit the pumps. But the bup will probably block still =\. But it will definitely help peripheral symptoms. Thanks for reminding me =]

Wow it's hard to believe that some people don't withdrawal from sub. Is going to be hard to wait 72 hours through