Coming down on Red Doves, what about ingesting butylone now?

[sometimeshappy]

I'm new here, I'm restless and a bit desperate. Took a pill of Red Doves six hours ago, felt extremely good but it's been wearing off for the last 2 hours or so, last 30 minutes I am really coming down. I really dont want to end this night right now and all I have is Butylone.

What are your opinions on ingesting Butylone at this point? Has anyone tried or does anyone know that it's a bad idea? Any input appreciated! Thx

Btw, I dont know if there are different kinds of Red Doves around. These pills were light red, in a blue pack with doves on them. Only information available is: contains one analogue ketone.

 

[kailinu]

Welcome aboard SH!

As a quick reply to your inquiry, I'd give you three rules of thumb I'm trying to follow:

1. I check for drug interactions to make sure the mix won't come to an ugly outcome
2. Once I know I can safely mix them up, I always try both substances on their own before even considering doing them together
3. When I don't know what's in the mix I don't mix it.

This is going to be your own decision anyway. Hope it'll be the wisest one, and you'll have a smooth comedown. Cheers!

 

[Shambles]

Agreed on all of the above. I'm not sure what's in Red Doves but I'm guessing it's a legal high brand which means nobody but the manufacturers knows what's in 'em. For me B1 isn't that great but I have eked some enjoyment out of it as a combo frug. I wouldn't use it on a comedown from any other drug though - it can be uncomfortably stimulating which is all you need

Also, The B&D Butylone Thread. Welcome to BL

 

[biggiro]

I'm new here, but am interested in finding out about red doves.
The girlfriend and myself tried some at a UK festival (Waveform) Bought them from the legal highs stall, at first I thought they were the white doves produced by london underground, which we've used before, but these were way stronger.
The pill was an oblong tablet, red in colour (obviously) and as the original poster has said, the only active ingredient shown was 'ketones'.
We didn't mix the pill with anything else and only drank water, I was going till the sun came up, the only comedown as far as I could tell was sleeplessness and gurned for bloody hours!

I'd be very interested to know if these are new pills on the uk market, or old ones going out of stock.
The stall had gone by the time I thought to go and ask about them, so far I haven't found out anything about them...did read some older posts on the net, but I got the impression they were not talking about the same pills.
Don't think (but don't know) that they contained BZP.
A friend with us had tried one the night before and 12 hours later he was sat at the tent twitching and wanting to move!...He didn't sleep either.
If you don't sweat it out through dancing you end out pissing like a bitch all night...fun...not!

So has anyone else experienced these red doves or know anything about them??

Biggiro

 

[theotherside]

The red doves are mephedrone...I know because I've taken them. You should be fine to take a low amount of butylone but do not overdo it. I would say to NOT take the butylone if you are prone to bad comedowns because the butylone comedown with the meph comedown can be pretty bad.

 

[Shambles]

the only active ingredient shown was 'ketones'.

Problem with those ingredients lists is that they're bollocks. Most of them are either misleading or completely fabricated. Shitty practice but such is the legal highs business - they're worse than the illegal drug business for extreme shadiness in some ways

If it lasted all night I highly doubt it was mephedrone, methylone or butylone cos even in combo they only last an hour or so - certainly not all night unless you redosed a lot. They could be anything but if the duration really was 12+ hours then it sounds like piperazines to me.

Possibly some obscure amphetamine analogue but the main one I've heard being used (4-FMA) is Class A in the UK so doubtful. The only other common ingredient I can think of is geranamine and I don't know much about that at all. But nor does anyone else know a lot about it really.

Some pipz mixes are better than others (a lotta fun even) so with the duration you speak of that seems to fit the bill for me, but without testing the pill there's no way of being sure of anything. EZ-Test can tell you if it's a ketone, but not which one as far as I know. Not sure which (if any) of the others could be easily tested for though. Illegal drugs are much safer and more reliable

 

[biggiro]

I'm new to the taking of pills...well, relatively new anyway, as far as I can tell - based only on personal observation- a great many problems with many drugs is abuse, have seen loads who pop whatever they can get their hands on, mixing uppers, downers and trippy stuff and wash it all down with gallons of beer! Small wonder people get screwed up...
Another of the guys with us at the festival took one but it did little for him, but he'd already got well monged out on a load of other stuff, so not really surprised.
Reading another thread highlighted how a great deal of ecstasy is adulterated with one thing or another so how can you be sure you are getting the real deal with the illegals?
If there are pipz in the red doves mentioned, would that make them stock that will get phased out in favour of pipz free pills?
Or might they be new stuff with a tweaked chemical formula?
Can't say I'm keen on consuming cattle wormer! But neither do I like the idea of taking and ecstasy pill that might be cut with god knows what....

Does anyone know if the red doves are in anyway related to the white doves? They are certainly expensive...Why claim to be BZP free when there are cheaper pills on sale by their side that still have them in?
Questions, questions and yet more questions....sigh!

Biggiro

 

[Shambles]

have seen loads who pop whatever they can get their hands on, mixing uppers, downers and trippy stuff and wash it all down with gallons of beer!

Have we met then?

To be honest, you probably have more chance of knowing what's in an "ecstasy" pill than a legal one. Dealers talk a lotta nonsense so don't believe a word they tell you but there are test kits (EZ-Test is a widely used one) that can tell you whether the pills contain MDxx (and which one), speed, ketones (mephedrone, methylone, etc) and a number of other possibilities. They can't test for pipz but no reaction almost always means pipz. You almost certainly won't find anything very dangerous in ecstasy pills but pills packed with MCPP and so on will make you feel pretty shit for a coupla days which is why testing kits are your friend

They can't test for some of the stuff used in legals though I don't think. And the manufacturers outright lie about the ingredients - "BZP free" means nothing and they often do contain BZP and/or other pipz despite their claims. These products are currently being replaced by ketones and other RCs but they are completely untested so nobody knows if they are safe to ingest. Mephedrone in particular looks to be pretty toxic.

I'd suggest you check out the Regional Pill/MDMA thread over in EADD (and Pillreports) to get an idea of what pills are around in your area and what's in them if you wish to look into them. There are also a number of threads on various legal highs sold in the UK in EADD which may be of use to you as they are more specific to the UK which has a very different legal high marked to many countries

 

[Solipsis]

Well 'ketones' that last that long might be dimethylcathinone? That has been found in other formulae of these legal high types before. Anyway we might assume that it was some stimulant drug to some extent and you are inquiring about continuing doing another stimulant - both of which don't have a long history of use.
The consequences in any case are unpredictable but generally you are looking at extended physical exhaustion, pretty much like doing MDMA / speed / coke for a good while. This, of course is a very crude comparison.

This thread looks to me like a combination of an 'ID thread' (to answer your actual question we would have to know what you actually took in the first place) and a 'what should I take thread', both of which are not allowed. I would appreciate it if you would take a look at the forum rules. Besides, we are not hours past the time info would be helpful to your decision so I see no point continuing.

I hope I don't come off too moody or inflexible! :D Because I do welcome you to bluelight and in the future itd be awesome if you did your research with our help and contribute in return...

see you around hombre!