[Combo Subthread] LSD & Benzo's

[infinity]

hi there.
i was wondering if it would be a worthy idea to give a first time tripper some xanax (taken with the hit) (for possible anxiety/edginess of the (first) trip) or if it really wouldnt do much.
thanks

 

[michael]

around here they call that 'trip[dipping'.
i think it might be worthwhile, but i would give them a normal, theraputic dose of xanax, as opposed to say 4 mg.
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[TABula rasa]

yeah, keep the xanax dose low. too much and they won't feel any of the body, and won't remember a damn thing; or at least, i wouldn't. if this person has a "normal" xanax dose, try cutting it in half. just enough to keep them mellow.
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[Trancendance]

Do you guys think .75 mg would do it?
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[PuristLove]

anywhere between .5 and 1 mg always take the edge off for me... I prefer klonopin for tripping with though because its shorter acting, so that it wears off about the time you peak... Your mindset has already been set as stress free and mellow, but ur trip gets as intense as it would have otherwise.
But I definitely reccomend benzos with acid, especially for those who get overly stressed or anxious when they trip.
Pure
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[PuristLove]

Oh also, I reccomend taking the benzo about half an hour BEFORE you drop the acid, that way your already relaxed by the time you start transitioning into the trip, which is for most people, where the anxiety starts...
It also seems to amplify the uncontrollable laughter if you do it this way...: )

 

[Plague Bearer]

Being something of an advocate of acid I think perhaps your friend might be better off having their first acid experience 100% acid and nothing else to distort the feeling.
I know nothing about xanax, but wouldn't it be possible to give them the xanax later if they start to wig out?

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I agree with Plague Bear. I don't advise mixing anything with a psychedelic for one's first time, except marijuana if they are a smoker already. I have never seen a need for benzos when tripping and I would recommend avoiding them. I have tried both valium and xanax, and I find they dull the effects somewhat. Even lower doses will.
I am from the school that you deal with whatever the trip throws your way, rather than use things to cover it up. This does not include using pot to help reduce nausea. But that's just me. Who cares?
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[skydigger]

PuristLove,

I prefer klonopin for tripping with though because its shorter acting

Klonopin is one of the longer acting benzo's. It's half-life is almost twice that of Xanax.

 

[PuristLove]

Your right, I did some research and Klonopin does have a slightly longer half-life than xanax.
I find this interesting because in personal experience I can take one and no longer be feeling any effects in three-four hours.
Xanax runs closer to six for me. Weird
Pure
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[Aja909]

I always use about .75mg xanax to lower the anxiety of my trips (or else I just lose my mind).... if someone is wigging out we just give them like 2.5 mg and they usually pass out within an hour or two

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[bomb]

I dont find a need for xanax with acid and its relativly smooth come on. But it doesn't sound like a bad idea at all to throw in .5 mg to take that edge off and as a sort of safety factor.
I consistanty take a half mg of xanax with foxy and its rather edgy come on.

 

[UnBounD]

LSD and benzodiazapines

me and my friend are going to trip this weekend most likely. there is alot of emphasis on being int he right mental frame of mind to prevent a bad trip. I was wondering if benzodiazapines such and valium or Xanex might possibly make the trip more pleasent or less prone to go bad

 

[ceryc]

Yes, being in the right frame of mind and right surroundings is most important. Definatly keep some benzos around just in case, but i wouldn't use them unless you feel a bad trip coming on. If you are very worried, don't trip.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I consider benzos to be essential "tripping gear" and have them onhand for most psychedelic experiences. i posted about this very recently, but in a nutshell... the best dose to use is the lowest dose that will effectively managed the negative neurological side effects of the psychedelic substance. I personally like using .25mg increments of alprazolam (xanax) to best aid me on my journey.
Sometimes just knowing the xanax is there in case is enough to stave off the onset of any anxiety or mood swings.
Peace,
SG

 

[C21H23NO5]

people talk about keeping benzos "on hand" etc etc while tripping, but i say if youre an inexperienced tripper or even first timer, just take your benzos with the tabs, and supplement dose a few hours later, this will put you in a nice relaxed head space, something kinda hard to do if youre a newbie tripper.

 

[Fujicrow]

and what about GHB? Do you people think it's a good trip-aid, as it puts you in a happy/relaxed mood? Some people told me G and acid just don't mix, but I can't see why.

 

[meister]

Since GHB/BDO lasts only 4 hours, its not good with a long acting substance like lsd. Not to mention the speedy dopamine rebound may comeback and intensify the trip, especially if taken too early. Benzo's can be used for a freak out, or if you want to sleep afterwards. For mild fear, this is were low quality marijuana may come in handy, as its low THC content and high CBD levels will result in mild sedation.
I think valium would be preferable to xanax.

 

[ikarus]

Originally posted by Fujicrow:
and what about GHB? Do you people think it's a good trip-aid, as it puts you in a happy/relaxed mood? Some people told me G and acid just don't mix, but I can't see why.
G goes well with just about everything (except alcohol unless you are seriously reducing your normal dosage of both alcohol and GHB). The only problem can be measuring out a proper dosage when you're messed up.

 

[ntgn]

If you're an inexperienced tripper, taking benzo's will make it anxiety-less and carefree but the problem is benzo's deaden/sterilize the psychdelia...
Very very low doses are sorta ok but if you were to eat 1mg xanax or 10mg valium while on LSD(or whatever) it just ruins it, quite frankly.... It's like a "zombie" trip, the life-force is muted and the deliciously transcendent intricacies are smothered
At the end of trips tho when you're ready sleep they're fantastic!
[ 28 May 2002: Message edited by: ntgn ]