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Colloidal Silver

Dave said:
Hm, so the sol is supposed to be colourless then? Interesting-- I've heard conflicting opinions on the subject, but if you're scattering coherent light then yeah, you've got a colloidal sol. I think that I might have to hack together some sort of apparatus so that I can do some proper testing and see where this material actually lies on the activity spectrum. It would be interesting to see the soluble silver content over time, as well as the stability of an unprotected sol over time. We've got a really handy model for antimicrobial activity as a function of silver release, so that'll tell me a lot.

All I'll need is a bit of 9999 silver. An ounce'll do nicely-- I can make the electrode from that easily. Any volunteers? ;)
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The last batch I saw was mostly clear with a slight yellow/brown hue. I'd send you some but my fiance probably wants me to spend our money on bills or something lame like that :D Would old, almost used up silver work?
 
I'm almost certain it was why Papa Smurf was so virile for so long.
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Enki-- Copper has some antimicriobial activity, but not as much. Gold is inert on so many levels it's not even funny, although there are some potential uses in cancer treatment as an IR absorber. Basically, the idea would be to get a bunch of gold NPs into a cancer cell, and then irradiate the patient with IR light. The NPs would absorb the light preferentially and heat up, lysing the cells. The tricky bit is getting the gold into the cells selectively-- there's some promising work with carbohydrate labelling and dendrimer cofactors, but it is still in its infancy.

Interesting, platinum and palladium may have antimicrobial effects as well, but are really bloody expensive so little work has been done on them.

Silver is the best conducting element, but afaik that doesn't have much to do with it's antimicrobial properties.
 
^ Gold is used internally for rhematoid arthritis as well, but its elimination is so slow that they keep track of how many times one can be dosed in terms of a lifetime maximum. Maybe efficacy is a factor as well in terms of limiting doses.
 
That's a bit different, it's a gold salt that is used IIRC. Metallic gold, like metallic silver, is inactive. Metallic silver will however get a surface oxide layer in atmospheric/biological conditions; gold will not.
 
Mehm said:
^^I've SEEN it work wonders multiple times. Would you say that this is probably placebo?
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ive seen it work too

i personally am over-cautious against anything that isnt directly evolved into the human experience for at least a few hundred thousand years tho.
 
Metallic silver has been, actually. Just not in this exact form. Ancient Greeks/Romans (I forget which-- I'll look it up on Monday) would store both water and wine in silver jugs for extended journeys. The water would be cleaned and the wine would stay fresher longer in silver containers, due to the antimicrobial activity of the surface oxide.
 
You are not likely to get blue skin from the weak homeopathic silver on the market.

This stuff is for real. It was the preferred antibiotic before the discovery of penicillin in standard western medicine. It was given at doses way way stronger though, to treat acute life threatening illness.

Most of the silver is not true colloidal silver. Most of it is actually ionic silver in homeopathic doses.


Sovereign silver is one of the better brands. With smaller particle size you can use less overall silver and get better results from it.
 
Sentience said:
You are not likely to get blue skin from the weak homeopathic silver on the market.

This stuff is for real. It was the preferred antibiotic before the discovery of penicillin in standard western medicine. It was given at doses way way stronger though, to treat acute life threatening illness.
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Homeopathy has not been found to be effective by any non-homeopathic study ever as far as I know. Homeopathy believes that water has taken on properties of the original substance through dilution and that the charged water has effect even if none of the original substance is left. It is more a form of witchcraft than medicine. There is no proof for its foundational beliefs or for its efficacy.

Homeopaths often claim that they lost not a single patient during the Spanish flu. I wouldn't even know how to go about exploring such a claim. Naturopathy and homeopathy are two different things. Naturopaths prefer herbs and vitamins which have some actual effect. By every standard anyone else uses homeopathic remedies are diluted to the point of being inert. Things in the 10x category might be exceptions. Callendula lotion 10x might work because of the less dilution and the recipient ingrediants.
 
Oh god, not homeopathy. Liquid water does not have a memory; if there was any long-term (timewise) ordering, it wouldn't be the liquid that we recognize as water. It forms ordered structures, especially around solutes, but they are dynamic on relatively short timescales. As in they change position and ordering, randomly, on the order of every microsecond or so. Not to mention that unless the solute is highly charged or a 'hard' ion (i.e. physically compact for it's charge) the solvation sphere doesn't extend that far. That's just not how liquids work.
 
Colloidal Silver, thats what cannabis growers use to hermi out their plants...idk if i would wanna drink this stuff.
Great invention in the cannabis world though.
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^^yep, that is what a generator looks like. I'm not sure about drinking it (I know people that do with no ill effects...), but do yourself a favor and try it topically if you are ever trying to heal a cut or infection.
 
Enki said:
Homeopathy has not been found to be effective by any non-homeopathic study ever as far as I know. Homeopathy believes that water has taken on properties of the original substance through dilution and that the charged water has effect even if none of the original substance is left. It is more a form of witchcraft than medicine. There is no proof for its foundational beliefs or for its efficacy.

Homeopaths often claim that they lost not a single patient during the Spanish flu. I wouldn't even know how to go about exploring such a claim. Naturopathy and homeopathy are two different things. Naturopaths prefer herbs and vitamins which have some actual effect. By every standard anyone else uses homeopathic remedies are diluted to the point of being inert. Things in the 10x category might be exceptions. Callendula lotion 10x might work because of the less dilution and the recipient ingrediants.
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Homeopathy is 90% bullshit.

I am not suggesting that homeopathy is the 'real deal', I am saying colloidal silver in allopathic doses is the real deal.

When you give it in 'homeopathic doses', that means its too little for science to detect, and its NOT as potent as what they used to use in medicine.


Some of the brands on the market are not Homeopathic.


Hope that clears up any confusion.
 
The original colloidal silver was NOT homeopathic. It was allopathic.

I specifically stated that the homeopathic formulas are bullshit. However, you can get non-homeopathic dosages that actually work, though they are still more mild than the dosages that were used in emergency medicine that turn your skin blue.

Low dose (but not homeopathic dose) colloidal silver can and does kill bacteria, mold, and sometimes even viruses.
 
Do you have a reference to a peer-reviewed article backing that up? Most research that I've seen refers to colloidal silver as either having no statistically significant effect, or at best a minor one.

Plus it's kind of hard to kill a virus, seeing as how they aren't alive.

:)

Argyria occurs when you ingest silver of any sort and it builds up over time. Topical staining comes from Ag+ bonding with the outermost layer of the exposed tissue, then reducing to Ag metal. In the case of skin staining, the stain flakes off in a couple of days.
 
I completed a pre-med degree.

'Peer reviewed'? This isnt a matter of testing a hypothesis in a lab. This is a matter of history. You ask a historian, not a scientist. Its like somebody mentions that heroin used to be used as a childrens cough syrup, and you ask whether that claim is within the margin of error. Its a historic fact.

Counter claims also have a burden of proof. A skeptic cannot weasel out of the burden of proof just because their claim is not the "original claim". A skeptic is only immune so long as they make no claims, even counter claims which were not the original claim. If somebody has proof that colloidal silver is not effective in killing bacteria, they should present it.


Silver used to be used in allophonic medicine, mainstream medicine, before the discovery of penicillin. A silver dollar will also keep bacteria from growing in a jug of water. People who ate on real silverware were also less likely to get sick with infections.

The reason most products on the market are not effective is because they offer a weak homeopathic dosage....not that its an authentic homeopathic formula...I am using the term loosely to mean that there isnt enough silver for it to work effectively the way it was used in conventional medicine before penicillin.

If anyone knew anything about medicine they would know that silver is inherently anti-microbial/bacterial/ and sometimes even viral. Ever heard of silver nitrate? They use it to kill infections in a babies eyes at birth? Silver has a long history of use in medicine.

I know this is Wikipedia, but the fact that silver kills bacteria is such common knowledge that its not worth my time to digging up better sources. Its a fact. A commonly known one. Ask any chemist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver

Some products on the market work a little better than others, but none are appropriate for emergency medicine the way the original colloidal silver was.
 
Most of the studies on the use of colloidal silver, the really strong kind, was done my mainstream medical research in the 1800s or earlier. Recent studies have not been a priority since it has fallen out of use since the advent of penicillin.

There might be studies on the weaker products available OTC at health food stores, but most of them are at very tiny concentrations and not nearly as effective. There are a few brands that claim to be stronger, and some of them might in fact be effective, but its difficult to find colloidal silver of the grade that was used in emergency medicine to treat life threatening infections anymore. The ones at the health food stores are a lot weaker. Some of the stronger ones are likely to be somewhat effective as an anti-bacterial.

This cure is hundreds of years old, but its very mainstream medicine, or was before penicillin. It was THE go to antibiotic for at least 100 years. Penicillin is cheaper and more effective though.....however, some doctors might be looking into it again since it does not seem to produce antibiotic resistant strains as readily as penicillin. It might be used in cases where there are anti-bacterial resistant strains, but I am not aware of any recently completed research.

If you are really curious, the place to go is scholar.google.com I think.


But if you find a study that shows that weak homeopathic colloidal silver doesnt work (wouldnt surprise me), that is not necessarily proff that the stronger traditional concentrated formulation is also not effective. Its highly effective, but can turn your skin colors, which is harmless but permanent.
 
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