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Cold turkey from Kratom...again.

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I know it doesn't seem to be a big deal to some but getting off this plant completely has alluded me for practically the entire year I've been on it. I tried to taper and I tried to cold turkey on two previous occasions. I even got to day 4 once and a co worker handed me a bottle of tramadol and said here this will make you feel better. It just threw me right back into the cycle. I just lost my job a couple days ago. It was a good job one that enabled me to fund my addiction without much difficulty. Basically I have to stop now get better and immediately start looking for work. Or start to look for work while continuing and risk depleting what I have in the bank to pay rent if I can't find work immediately. I want to be done with this I really do I guess I just don't have alot of faith in my will power anymore. I also don't have any comfort drugs no ambien or xanax or phenibut like last time. I'm looking at just having to bite the bullet and count the minutes. I'm coming off of about a year of using and going through up to 30 40 grams a day In the end. I guess I'm hoping to start some sort of dialogue to distract me and maybe even build some sort of support system for myself.
 
My last time kicking kratom was for about the same length of time and same dosage. I was very restless and depressed for about 5 days or so. Neurontin helped immensely. I'd say I'm probably a couple months out now (stopped counting) and I am sleeping good and feeling pretty good mentally and physically. You can do it.
 
I don't know anything about Kratom specifically, but today is my 32nd day off opioids. Withdrawal was miserable. I'd never made it longer than 5 days before. This site kept me sane during the past month. I wish you the strength to continue. I did work with a physician who gave me supportive meds to take me through the first three weeks. If there is any way you can do that, I recommend it. I don't think I could have done it without the medical support--it takes the edge off. It's still a horrible time, but you won't have some of the worst symptoms. Good luck!
 
I don't have insurance and am very financially limited at the moment. Free clinics don't look to kindly on addicts in my experience. I think I'm just going to have to ride out the sleeplessness. Only thing I'm really concerned about is having enough energy to look for work in a few days. I'm going to need to. Thanks for the kind wishes
 
Ugh caved in and took about 50 mg of lope about two hours ago. took away the sweats but not im super thirsty and crampy and have even less energy. battering down for a rough night
 
That's okay. No worries. Just let the lope work its way out and then continue on with the cold turkey. It might actually help you out somewhat. But do not get in a lope habit because if you read around enough that can be quite ugly. I want to add, by the way, that I was not BETTER in 5 days, but after the fifth day I felt much better than say, day 1. The RLS and insomnia will likely persist for quite some time. That is why I recommend trying to get your hands on gabapentin or pregabalin because they will do wonders on both of those symptoms. Not to mention the depression. By about two weeks in, I quit gabapentin and the insomnia returned but the RLS had lightened. I went back and forth with the gabapentin as I could get large quantities for nothing here and there but I have been off it for quite some time now. I have no RLS and sleep is okay. Some nights I get very good rest, others I don't but that's just how I am. YMMV.

Good luck and don't let the lope convince you you're fucked, just let it leave you over the course of a couple days and see where you're at. Keep us updated.
 
the thing is the lope hasnt alleviated all symptoms. like my legs stiil feel super crampy and achey. i know i still wont sleep. i just want to be making progress for as shitty as i still feel i guess.
 
Yeah be careful with lope... also there is a threshold where the symtpoms will be more alleviated, but it's different for everyone. If I took 60mg of lope, it made me feel 80% better and even let me sleep usually. But, I continued for too long and yo-yoed between lope and opiates for quite some time. It does indeed produce its own dependence and it feels unhealthy to do... seems to dry me out inside and give me bowel troubles eventually, even though I'd always take a stool softener along with it to help regulate the constipation. And yeah it doesn't really help with energy levels, in fact it makes me feel quite heavy and weak. But in acute withdrawal it was a good trade for me. I really used it most for withdrawing from poppy tea.

Gabapentin does help a LOT with the restless legs and depression, though tolerance builds rapidly. The good news is it takes a long time to become physically dependent on. Lyrica helps WAY more than gabapentin (and can make you feel more euphoric than kratom does), but it's harder to get and builds dependence faster. Still, a week on Lyrica (pregabalin) will not hurt you and will help bypass many symptoms as it gives you a week of masking them.
 
I wish i could get my hands on some what does me in is the loooong sleepless hours of discomfort. I just dont seem to have the kind of willpower ive had in the past. A big problem is that counter productive solutions seem so readily available
 
I've never taken kratom so I'm not sure what it's like. But I've withdrawaled cold turkey off of heroin many times. This last time I did it with no suboxone, xanax, weed, etc. I had a year and a half clean off of everything and then I relapsed. So I had a bunch of clean friends and one stayed with me 24/7 for support. It was wicked wd with nothing to take to help besides sleep. But I made it. And this Christmas day I will have 3 years clean. You can do it! I know it's hard and it sucks. But I've seen so many people die from the shit I was doing that the means didn't justify the ends anymore. I think support is key. I live just outside Detroit and the dope houses are just 8 miles south of me. It used to take every bit of willpower not to drive those8 miles. Now I barely even think of it anymore. I have so much to account for in my life that just a short time in recovery has given me. I know NA isn't for anymore, but when I was sick with wd I went to meetings and it really helped take my mind off of the symptoms. And everyone there knew what I was going thru and was super supportive. If you want info I can give it to you. If you aren't into that try to at least get some good people to give you moral and emotional support. I couldn't have beat it if I didn't have people around me lifting me up when I felt so low. Hang in there!!! And remember: LIFE GETS BETTER!
 
discovered that a tab of 1000 mg L-Tyrisone actually does wonders in keeping me upbeat and going through out the day. All the physical symptoms remain but you just feel better about everything. Def worth adding to the arsenal
 
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