yes they do bc it happened when i was there. I TOOK THEM BOTH AS WELL. what part of that isnt getting through your shot out brain? i know it didnt kill the roll because i did it myself genius. hell one time we mixed lines of both and railed them and was annihilated. so like i said, dont presume to know what happens with everybody, because you only make yourself look like an idiot. is the reason you dont want to acknowledge this because your jealous that you're not one of the people it works for? hmmmm