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Harm Reduction Cleaning plugging syringes for I V use

stratofortress

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OK so i happened across a syringe complete with needles, perfectly clean and unopened, Thinking this my lucky day, nabbed the syringe, filled it with an anoymous drug, and plugged unil the warmth came.

So now I have a syringe that's been up my ass. Is there any way to disinfect the syringe so that it would be suitbable for IV?

And if nor, are there any other ways iof getting a drug through a needle without a syringe?>

DiSCLAIMER: I know tis is a bad idea.
 
I would say don't do this. Syringes are way to inexpensive to risk giving yourself a horrible infection. I personally would get a new one. If you absolutely must use this one clean with soapy water then alcohol. But I highly reccomend just throwing this one in the sharps box! Good luck
 
There a plenty of ways to get clean syringes, so please go to a pharmacy, needle exchange, or buy them online.
 
If you are going to do this no matter what then I suppose that I can move this to a forum where you may get some answers. Bleach is the only thing that I can think of, and after washing it with bleach a bunch of times then make sure to get the bleach off before IVing.

Homeless --> Other Drugs
 
Holy fuck, this is a no-no in every sort of way. Intestinal flora in your blood are not to be tolerated.

Sterility will have to be ensured by concentrated 15% hypochlorite bleach for a day or so, preferably activated with some white vinegar, or 10-35% hydrogen peroxide, or an autoclave, or boiling for several hours and chainging the water several times, or preferably all of these... But seriously just throw the fucking thing out.

Soapy water and alcohol isn't enough I don't think.

Spend a dollar and get a new syringe, man.
 
I really don't think there is any way that you can properly sterilize a fecally-contaminated syringe so that it would be safe for IV without destroying it. Seriously, just get some new syringes or plug whatever drug you were planning to inject. If you're going to do it anyway, the best that you can do that I know of that won't wreck or melt your syringe would be, as Tommyboy said, thouroughly rinse it with bleach a bunch of times then rinse it with water a bunch of times in order to get every last bit of bleach out. Can't guarantee this will be safe though, it's just better than nothing.

I'm pretty sure sekio's suggestions would destroy the syringe (not to mention, getting new syringes would be easier and faster, which I think was the point he was trying to make :)).

And no, there is no way to inject drugs by using a needle without a syringe.
 
^Didn't even realize that was the same guy and that this thread was from over a week ago. He apparently ended up making some kind of MacGyver syringe out of the needle he had and a BIC pen - yikes! :(

stratofortress - if you're reading this, please please please do some research about proper IV technique and safety before injecting drugs again. I know you said we shouldn't worry that you'll "probably kill yourself" injecting benzos but I do care.
 
With the price of needles and syringes being what they are, there is no reason for you to even be contemplating this.
 
I'll just reiterate what others have said thus far... What you're thinking is so potentially harmful and unnecessary. Is your safety and life really not worth the dollar to get a clean rig? Also, your other post about your "black death buboe" is incredibly unnerving.. You are showing a pattern of seriously bad and harmful decisions and with something as serious as IV drug use.. there really is no room for error. Do you not have somebody who can show you first hand proper technique? If not, please do some more research or come back and ask much more specific questions before you bring a needle anywhere near your body again.

Have you read through this thread IV Complications

Seriously, start making better choices and taking care of your self.
 
The key to living past 25 as an intravenous drug user is to be thoroughly aware of harm reduction and how it's application in drug abuse helps to reduce the risk of both short and long-term damage to your body, you've only got 1 body in this life, better learn some respect for it, and fast, because the shit you are attempting is already insanely high risk category, now you add in obvious disregard for harm reduction by IVing with a used rectal syringe, and even making your own non-sterile, makeshift syringes. You simply do not do that and live to see 25, it's natural selection.

Syringes can be found at an affordable if not free rate at your local needle exchange, in addition to being readily available online in bulk, I order 100 count boxes of syringes (for rectal use) and the cost is low and worth it. You have more of a margin of error with the rectal ROA, so you are treating the IV route with a similar respect, which is your downfall. With intravenous drug delivery there is no room for error, one slip can be fatal.

Here's a list of all the things an intravenous drug abuser (who is intelligent and has more of a chance of living to be a part of his kids life) needs before deciding it's okay to IV:

-A brand new, sterile syringe that has been stored properly

-A sterile environment/equipment and washed hands / scrubbed under finger nails for 60 seconds with antibacterial soap

-Adequate filtration= a 0.2um micron filter, if not that, sterile compacted cotton/Sterifit, or as a last resort, a Rizla brand filter

-Isopropyl alcohol the injection site prior and post injection

-A safe place to prep the shot and administer it

-Clean water

-No responsibilities to drive or operate heavy machinery, or otherwise endangering the lives of others and violating their rights.

I've read some of your posts/threads and I do not say this lightly nor do I mean to offend. You seem to display almost no knowledge of harm reduction or at least, you don't know how to apply it. Your health is already suffering as a consequence of your actions, that makeshift syringe you made out of a hollowed out plastic pen with a needle GLUED to it somehow... well, it left you with an abscess and honestly your lucky to be alive, most people would not survive such an act of idiocy. What if the needle became unglued in your body? There seems to be a LOT of potentially lethal consequences here that you are either oblivious to, or show a wanton disregard for.

flexistentialist said:
Thought this might be a useful thread to help counter the popular myth that bottled spring water is safer to inject than regular tap water. This issue has been thoroughly researched by harm reduction services across the world, and the following has been published by Exchange Supplies. This advice was written for the UK, however it applies to basically all countries in the developed world, who have standards in place on the treatment of drinking water.

Hierarchy of Water Risks (Safest to least safe)

1) Unopened ampoule of sterile water

The 'gold standard' for safety, an ampoule of water for injections means that the water used for dissolving the drugs isn't going to be the source of viral or bacterial infection.

2) Boiled water

Boiling water in a kettle will kill virtually all organisms, and using boiled water from a kettle is the advice to injectors who do not have an ampoule of water for injections.

Although it is true that to guarantee that even the most resistant pathogens are killed the water should be boiled for several minutes, in practice the additional benefits are few and advice to boil water in a pan is problematic because:

* the water takes time to cool, and could become contaminated during cooling;
* the pan or lid used to boil the water could be contaminated; and
* the advice is unlikely to be followed, and there is a risk that injectors will take the view that if they can't follow the advice, then they might as well not bother doing anything because they are taking a risk anyway.

3) Kitchen tap - cold water

The reason the poster differentiates the kitchen tap from other taps in the house is that the kitchen tap is usually fed from the rising main which, in the UK, is usually virtually or completely free from bacteria.

Water from bathroom taps may have been stored in a cold water tank in the roof where it can become much more contaminated with bacteria: not a problem if you're drinking it, the acid of the stomach is able to kill low levels of bacteria without a problem, but not so good if the water is being injected.

4) Bottled water

The constant advertising and marketing of bottled water has created a strong perception in the public psyche of it as a pure, safe source of water that is better than tap water.

Certainly in the UK it is open to debate whether this is true in terms of drinking water – the UK has a very good safety record for our drinking water which is pure and free from contamination. But for use as a liquid for dissolving drugs for injection, there is no debate: tap water is almost always better than bottled water because the bacteria count will be lower. The bacteria count in bottled water is much higher than in tap water, and varies according to the temperature at which it is stored, and can be very high if someone has drunk the water from the bottle.

This is not to say that the bacteria in bottled water are harmful if drunk – the acid in your stomach is perfectly well able to kill bacteria at these levels, however when injected intravenously, they can cause infections.

Distilled water

Distilled water is boiled and then condensed to ensure it is free of all minerals, and people could be excused for thinking that it might be sterile. However, the end use of distilled water is in machinery and there is no requirement for the water to be clean in terms of bacteria count. Indeed the condensing plates and bottling plants are often low tech, and dirty.

5) Hot water from a tap

The water in a domestic hot water tank is not hot enough to kill all bacteria. If the tank has been warmed and cooled, the bacteria count can grow.

6) Toilet water

It could be argued that pointing out the dangers of drawing water out of a toilet is stating the obvious, but having it there – and not at the bottom of the list – makes the point that the other sources of water below it are *really* dangerous.

There was some debate in the drafting process about whether the harm reduction advice to take water from the cistern rather than the bowl, but we didn't for two reasons:

* firstly, most public toilets have the cisterns secured and inaccessible; and
* secondly where people can access cisterns they can usually access a tap.

7) Puddle water

As with toilet water this is on the poster to highlight the serious nature of the risks associated with water that could be contaminated with blood.

The advice to catch rain water instead was suggested by homeless drug users, who described it as a harm reduction strategy they had developed.

8) Part-used ampoule

Many injecting drug users underestimate the risks of sharing the source of water that they use for preparing their drugs for injection.

Because ampoules of water for injections 'feel' medical, safe and sterile, injectors will sometimes choose to take water from a part used ampoule. Clearly this carries a very high risk of viral infection (hep C, hep B, HIV), and this is highlighted by the position of the opened ampoule below water from toilets and puddles.

9) Shared cup

Too often when there is a group of injectors together in a room, the source of water used for preparing drugs for injection, is a single cup of water.

Sometimes this same cup is used to draw water to clean injecting equipment, and to repeatedly draw water to prepare drugs for injection.

This presents a significant risk of blood borne virus transmission, and one of the key functions of the poster is to highlight this risk and danger - which many injectors are not aware of, or underestimate.

There was some debate during the peer review process as to whether the ampoule was higher risk than the cup, but as the ampoule has a limited volume it is unlikely that it could have been contaminated by more than one person, whereas the cup could have been contaminated by many – hence it's position at the bottom of the table.

This is one reason you should never reuse needles:
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Since I know sometimes we are caught without all our tools and often far to busy to leave the house and arrange them when needed, lets try be completely thorough with regards to all the facts and risks and all options open to us with regards to this query with some detailed analysis and problem solving.

Disclaimer: Please ensure you confirm the facts of the below information yourself before proceeding. While my logic is flawless, reality is often not. I accept no responsibility for the information provided below.

While logic states that since the contaminant was already in you previously and you did not suffer ill health for it, and since we know urine is safe to drink and therefore so might other bodily excretions be, you should logically be able to return the contaminant to your body without any concerns.
In this case however there is an aberration in the logic, possibly the result of a flaw in the human design.

The issue is that the contaminant in question would cause health concerns if placed into the blood stream via IV administration and this should therefore be avoided at all costs unless approved and supervised by your GP.

Fortunately only this ROA is a risk and thankfully you can still make use of the contaminated syringe safely (in theory and in terms of no risk of death and assuming that the contaminant in this example is pure and has not been further contaminated after being exposed to the elements) for nasal, oral or rectal use.

The risk here is much reduced over IV in that it might present only as much negative side effects as an unpleasant smell or taste experience at the time of administration, unless going the rectal route of course, but this should pass quickly and cause no long term side effects. It is however recommended you wash out these areas after administration just to be safe.

The critical point to note here is that the goal of administering the drug of choice would have been completely successful and in no way impacted by the contaminant whatsoever.

Therefore we now have other options in this situation that fall within an acceptable margin of risk in terms of our health and dosing efficacy, that where unknown or unclear to you before. Your welcome
 
Lol, basically that it should be safe to use it for nasal, oral or rectal ROA even if not IV
 
I do not understand why someone would choose to Rectal and then I.V.

Plugging is sort of a daft way to get similar BA without the side effects at the cost of a slightly slower rush.

Edit: Oh, OP was probably W/Ding too hard to IV a dose.
 
Unbelievable quote you posted by the OP Toucan. What thread was that in? Thats one of the most blatant anti HR posts I've seen in a while.. This OP is unbelievable with his just lack of giving a fuck.
 
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