Chronically ill loser feeling ready to give up after series of blows

See here's the thing. I know you're right about what should happen but given how long it takes to get pain meds in opioidnclass if it even ever happens , which is rare, what do I do for the mindblowing pain tomorrow. And the next day. Like instead of ketamine what do I take for the next few weeks to help this awful pain. Thatd why I want to believe my doctors right even though you make a lot of sense

Already maxed out on NSAIDs and tylenol
I am so sorry for your situation, copium7777. I am floored that your docs are still unwilling to utilize prescription pain relievers! Especially since they have you maxed out on nsaids and Tylenol. Those are worse for you than opioid medications. Your suffering has to be addressed!
 
I am so sorry for your situation, copium7777. I am floored that your docs are still unwilling to utilize prescription pain relievers! Especially since they have you maxed out on nsaids and Tylenol. Those are worse for you than opioid medications. Your suffering has to be addressed!
I mean I don't blame the individual docs I have seen good docs that aren't pill mills get their license pulled for compassionately prescribing opioids. I would like to see them take a stand tho and not be cowards. They literally have no doubt that med class is appropriate it's all DEA fears and prescribing limits
 
I mean I don't blame the individual docs I have seen good docs that aren't pill mills get their license pulled for compassionately prescribing opioids. I would like to see them take a stand tho and not be cowards. They literally have no doubt that med class is appropriate it's all DEA fears and prescribing limits
What is pegasos you are waiting for approval from? I’m not familiar with it.
If you are at the point you want to end your life, have you considered using kratom or poppy seed tea? Both are addicting - but can give some pain relief- especially the poppy seed tea.
 
Yeah. My pain isnt exactly neuropathic , its causes essentially by something like arthritis, so i feel like lyrica and gabapentin dont help as much, tho they do hwlp with sleep but they worsen side effects of another comorbidity. Ive also tried cannabis in basically every form and ratio of cbd to thc , or even just pure cbd, and i cannot tolerate it at all

Havet tries methadone. It looks great, with long halflife and nmda antagonist properties. Heard bad things about its effect on the heart... is that a concern

The heart thing isnt a concern (unless you have pre existing issues) unless you're at a pretty high dose, like addiction maintenance doses (60mg + /day). Usually pain killing doses for non tolerant people is around 2.5mg 2x per day, maybe.

Of course, it's sort of the last option, as it's pretty physically addictive. But, sounds like that's where you are. If you are already on opioids, getting methadone from a clinic can happen basically immediately, depending on where you are. If not, of course it's slightly more complicated to get prescribed by a pain doc, but methadone is one of the least abused, so likely more easy to get than oxy, morphine, hydromorphone, etc

Are you male? If so, AAS can help joint pain in certain rare circumstances. Testosterone especially can help with mental state, too. Like, a surprising amount. There are also tons of peptides that can help joints. I've forgotten the names, but there are many of them regularly used by bodybuilders and powerlifters who claim varying degrees of success in healing/joint pain from peptides. If you need help I can probably scrounge up a few names


Where are you on ketamine/NMDA drugs? You're able to get them but worried about side effects? Or you can no longer get ket? Just about anything can be found on the internet, whether it be clear net or dark net. If 14 year olds can figure it out, I'm sure you can.

You've tried a lot, and you've gone through a lot, but you haven't tried everything. Dont give up yet.
 
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What is pegasos you are waiting for approval from? I’m not familiar with it.
It's a euthanasia or voluntary assisted suicide org in Switzerland. Switzerland one of only places allowing this for chronic non terminal illnesses sadly , which makes it p inaccessible.
If you are at the point you want to end your life, have you considered using kratom or poppy seed tea? Both are addicting - but can give some pain relief- especially the poppy seed tea.
I don't like to take opioids daily without a doctor, not bc unsafe (I know what I'm doing) but bc getting a tolerance
addictive. But, sounds like that's where you are. If you are already on opioids, getting methadone from a clinic can happen basically immediately, depending on where you are. If not, of course it's slightly more complicated to get prescribed by a pain doc, but methadone is one of the least abused, so likely more easy to get than oxy, morphine, hydromorphone, etc
Going to a daily clinic is basically out of the question totally. Will try have pain doc prescribing it
 
Where are you on ketamine/NMDA drugs? You're able to get them but worried about side effects? Or you can no longer get ket? Just about anything can be found on the internet, whether it be clear net or dark net. If 14 year olds can figure it out, I'm sure you can.
I'm sure your last comment isn't meant to be condescending but, I know more than 14 year olds on internet yeah , but that knowledge doesn't help me. I'm prescribed ketamine but its causing bladder irritation so I have to stop. There aren't really any other NDma antagonists prescribed for pain. I could try memantine but that would require a lot of research on side effects and interactions with the million other meds I'm on.

In the thread or my recent post history I'm pretty sure I already noted, buying things is not the issue, I'm literally prescribed ketamine
 
Are you male? If so, AAS can help joint pain in certain rare circumstances. Testosterone especially can help with mental state, too.
I looked into this ,I know there's a medical use but the risks vastly outweight potential benefits for me. I would be more susceptible than most people to heart and blood pressure issues etc. We also don't know root cause of my neck issues or what's causing the degeneration so ,
Like, a surprising amount. There are also tons of peptides that can help joints. I've forgotten the names, but there are many of them regularly used by bodybuilders and powerlifters who claim varying degrees of success in healing/joint pain from peptides. If you need help I can probably scrounge up a few names
The joint peptides like bpc 157 and ghk are promising, but I think that I need to stop the inflammation mediated by mmp-9, tryptase, all the crap that's degrading my joints, before I actually start regenerative treatments. And in meantime I need palliative care. So I'm working on the root cause, waiting for surgery or death , but much of my problem is can't get palliative care
 
Ketamine (aside from bizarre circumstances) should almost never be taken daily.
Why do so many pain doctors prescribe it for daily use then ?? Not being snarky genuinely curious

I just realized I would be concerned about ketamine serotonergic effects anyway even if I wasn't having bladder issues. The subtype of serotonin receptor that ketamine agonizes isn't responsible for cardiac fibrosis or anything like fenfluramine ??? But could still be a problem , in my illness people have documented serotonin sensitivity etc.
 
There are other NMDA antagonists that help with pain, but they may not be prescriptions. Depends what you're willing to do. Good luck getting methadone monthly prescribed; shouldn't be too hard in your situation. The NMDA antagonism of methadone is said to help with tolerance. It definitely continues to work much longer than most opioids

For ketamine bladder issues, the unfortunate prognosis is that the more you do, the more you will get bladder pain. You could try taking days off when possible. There are a couple things (like pentosan polysulfate or hyaluronic acid) that may help prevent bladder lining issues. Definitely drink as much water as possible.

If you are willing to try peptides, most of them have so few side effects it may be worth trying in this desperate a situation. You may not have fixed the underlying cause, but healing them could still bring you some temporary relief.

Are there specific palliative care objectives you have in mind that you are having trouble getting? Or are you more still trying to find out what options are out there?
 
Are there specific palliative care objectives you have in mind that you are having trouble getting? Or are you more still trying to find out what options are out there?
Well I started this thread with the idea to crowdsource info on specific treatments that could maybe replace it or just thoughts on mitigating some of the side effects, like the bladder ones. But by today, I had lost hope, so between when I started the thread and now I sort of lost motivation or belief that I can find a satisfying solution.

That said, mood is not my main problem, and I think is secondary rather than being primary , like I have spells of depression or mood swings, but often secondary to stuff like bad pain flares, not really standard major depression, and I can't tolerate standard antidepressants so having ketamine was helping pain and mood at the same time, maybe better than opioids. Ketamine also helped my severe sound sensitivity which is a symptom I want to treat as well ideally. Explained in another thread that I can't dig up atm but my sound sensitivity is due to brainstem compression so standard treatments don't help... but ketamine does in a non lasting, palliative way . And insomnia is often a problem, but I wouldn't say it's my biggest problem. From a palliative care POV, the pain and sound sensitivity are most important.

I guess there's a fine line between palliative care and treatments that actually help w disease some but my point in separating them is it's pretty tough and complex in my case, to get to root causes, so it would be nice to get quick relief with the symptoms in the meantime.
 
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you are willing to try peptides, most of them have so few side effects it may be worth trying in this desperate a situation. You may not have fixed the underlying cause, but healing them could still bring you some temporary relief.
I'm not sure I have the necessary ones on hand. One of my doctors prescribed compounded peptides but for injectable route, if one didn't want to do oral, he'd require you to come into office and get allergy test dose first. And I can't do that now. What are good companies for sourcing the other ones?

How safe and necessary is it to do local injections? My problems are in a sensitive area, c0-c2, so I have nervousness about injecting in that area , but there is some fat , so I could probably do it near the affected area even if I can't do it right in the joint.
 
I'm not sure I have the necessary ones on hand. One of my doctors prescribed compounded peptides but for injectable route, if one didn't want to do oral, he'd require you to come into office and get allergy test dose first. And I can't do that now. What are good companies for sourcing the other ones?

How safe and necessary is it to do local injections? My problems are in a sensitive area, c0-c2, so I have nervousness about injecting in that area , but there is some fat , so I could probably do it near the affected area even if I can't do it right in the joint.

I can do some research, but couldn't tell you a company off the top of my head. Sorry. I ordered some years ago trying to heal from overdoing powerlifting, I just spent many hours reading reviews. Also, my standards may have been different: I was ok ordering internationally from grey area-legal type suppliers, not sure if you are, or you'd like to keep it strictly pharmaceutical

Most of the peptides I'm familiar with work systemically, fortunately. Some of them work better IM, some SubQ, but basically you could put them anywhere. There are some that go right in the joints, but I wouldn't recommend you try that yourself.

Also, maybe another thing to add to your list would be something to help with the emotional side. Physical pain can be overwhelming; it's easier to deal with it when you dont feel overwhelmed. Sometimes even a little caffeine can make a big difference. Sometimes CBT can help you deal with physical issues. Good luck!
 
Ok, well hEDS doesn’t have a genetic marker yet anyway. There are good diagnostic criteria though for it. Have you hyper mobility in your joints? Like can you touch your toes without bending knees? Touch your thumb to your wrist? Anything?

Anyway, as you said, you most definitely need a prescription for pain meds. Get a dr who will listen to you.
Go to the ehler danlos website. You could have any varieties of EDS. Trust me doctors are fools. I just got out of the ER/ my PCP sent me to the wrong hospital...trying to avoid a COVID-19 etc. They assessed me for commitment . I was just again do with full spinal stenosis.
 
Recently I have reached a milestone past which I know it is impossible to go on, and I have decided to pursue Voluntary Assisted Dying and cease working toward a cure.
As you know, my quality of life has been awful for awhile, but I had a sort of "last straw recently". Pain is bad, but often simple to treat. But some of my other symptoms are trickier. One of them is hyperacusis, or sound sensitivity. The root cause is brainstem compression (bc of cci) leading to excess glutamate being released in brainstem. Anyway, I basically know the main cause of the sound sensitivity, but for a variety of reasons it's not easy to treat. I have been waiting far too long for surgery, and I used to at least be able to treat the sound sensitivity with a few different medications, even though the root cause wasn't addressed (brainstem compression). However, these palliative medications have all either had problems with tolerance, or produced side effects that are intolerable. So essentially even though I know the likely cause, I can no longer treat my sound sensitivity. Today was the moment this really sank in, and I tried to treat my sound sensitivity, and listen to some music I loved, and wasn't able to tolerate it.
The past two weeks have been a huge challenge/emergency as far as getting worse quickly and not knowing exactly why. During that time instead of resting I obsessively researched and tried to find other palliative meds in same classes of medication, as other ones and was mostly unsuccessful, I only found one, which was inaccessible and impractical , even if good on paper.
My life has really been not what I wanted it to be since I became sick, and especially since I lost the ability to play music. However, I'm ashamed to admit I sort of had a compromise position with myself , or god, or the universe. The position was that as long as I could listen to music , I'd accept every other indignity--from becoming bedridden, to not being able to play music, to not being able to read more than a paragraph at a time. Since I'm a musician that's what matters to me. I have compromised on so, so many things with regard to quality of life. But this is the last straw, and certainly a thing I cant compromise on.
So I have decided to proceed with voluntary assisted dying, with the organization Pegasos, in Switzerland (where this process is legal for non terminal but severe chronic illnesses). Its an application process that I've already started, although when I started it I still had hope for finding a better way out of this illness, and was only doing this as a plan B. Despite having started the application, since its cognitively difficult to do much of this kind of work, it's been slow going and I don't even have my expedited passport (we're somehow missing my birth certificate).
I guess I'm more than a bit scared and I'm not 100 percent sure that when I get to the clinic I will be able to turn that knob that releases the lethal dose of barbiturates into the IV, or if I will be too cowardly, but these recent developments don't seem to leave me a lot of choice.
I'm sure many people that donated to me will be disappointed in me for this, but I promise you that I tried extraordinarily hard. Not only in terms of dealing with the pain etc, but also in terms of how many waking hours I spent on research and theorizing, despite how much it exhausted me. And I'm kind of sad that I feel like I got fairly close to cracking this disease, more than many professional researchers, but couldn't finish. It's just a really hard task to do mostly on my own (I have had lots of help with caregiving and many things, when I say "on my own" I'm purely speaking about the research).
If anyone has any ideas about a) how to expedite a passport faster than the standard time of a month or so, or b) avenues that wouldn't require a passport somehow, please let me know.
What disappoints me the most other than knowing that this disease is probably treatable (just not by me), and knowing how close i was to figuring it all out, is knowing that due to the wave of post covid ME/CFS patients and various factors, a cure will probably be found for the next generation of new patients. I'm envious of them, although they may face additional challenges due to environmental toxicity.
This is not an impulsive decision or borne out of mood swings or depression, it's a decision that makes rational sense if you think quality of life matters as much quantity.
 
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