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Chronic fatigue since quitting cannabis - my brain just feels off

GordanMilky

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Hi there I am on day 7 of quitting marijuana after vaporizing literally every single night for 4 years. I thought it would give me more energy but i feel so exhausted all day since day 2.

The only advice I can find online is exercise and diet.

My diet is perfect I think, gluten and dairy free.


Organic quinoa+org cinnamon+org cacoa powder+almond milk for breakfast.

Gluten free sandwhich with vegetables and meat for lunch.

Fish or chicken breast or deer with brown or multigrain rice + organic vegetables + kidney beans for dinner.

Good cereal, pumpkin seeds, almonds, hemp hearts, green tea throughout the day.

I also take all supplements twice a day: turmeric (curcumin), garlic, omega, vitamin b complex, raw camu camu powder (vit C), vitamin d, vitamin e, coenzyme q10, spirulina, chlorella, acai berries.

The point of me listing these is that I guess a high quality diet alone cannot prevent withdrawal symptoms for any future people reading. Although I do not exercise nearly enough.

I have read of people experiencing fatigue for months after ceasing use, and I cannot seem to find a lot of help to deal with this fatigue. I will try to go for a run tomorrow and see if it helps at all. But can anyone offer any other advice for what I could do better?
 
What's wrong with gluten and dairy?

Are you lactose intolerant?

Do you have celiac disease?

Unless you have, and suffer from these illnesses, cutting major food groups out of your diet is not a healthy thing to do. Ironically, it could quite possibly be the very reason for your "chronic fatigue".

Did you know that almond milk contains a "potential" carcinogen?

http://www.cornucopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Carrageenan-Report1.pdf

As for Marijuana having "physical withdrawal" symptoms, that's debatable. I for one dislike Marijuana, even though I have used it on occasion. I really couldn't imagine one experiencing "fatigue" from cessation of use, regardless of the length of time of said use. You would think that you'd be getting the opposite effect, you know, restoration of vitality, improved motor function and heightened sense of lucidity.

But hey, that's just my honest opinion.
 
^Well I've been a huge stoner for about 15 years now so believe me when I tell you there ARE several withdrawal symptoms from quitting marijuana, including fatigue and loss of appetite. Don't worry it will pass. Or smoke more of course.
 
My dad's mom died of colon cancer when she was young. My mom had part of her colon removed. She regrets getting this surgery because she has since been diagnosed with celiac disease and believes it was the cause of all her symptoms that led to Dr's recommending her colon be removed. All three of my brothers have ulcerative colitis and I was starting to develop symptoms of colitis. Once I quit gluten my acne and stomach/digestive problems ceased. I am going to look into getting tested for it but I am certain I have some problems with gluten and dairy. That is interesting about almond milk I will have to look into it further. Edit: Apparently Silk almond milk is carrageenan free. I do believe I am sustaining my nutritional requirements with these food groups taken out.


I have always been a strong advocate for the medicinal benefits of marijuana, and will continue to hold this sentiment. However it is not without it's side effects. Perhaps the biggest drawback of frequent marijuana use is one's acceptance of a mediocre life of laziness (just my opinion). This is the main reason I decided to quit and why my discipline will remain despite the apparent withdrawal symptoms I am experiencing. I did believe I was going to get increased vitality after quitting and I could not figure out why i felt constantly fatigued, yet had difficulty falling asleep. I decided to google if quitting marijuana could cause this and found a lot of people with similar complaints, some reporting it for 2-6 months after cessation. This is worrisome for me as I am a full time worker and full time student and any advice is appreciated.
 
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Bad day. Thought of using, but didnt. 11 days no heroin.

4mg sub the last couple days, going to try 2 1/2 tmrw.

My life is pretty empty without opiates. Up to me to fix that, i know. I just wish i had someone. Those of you who do, do something nice for them tonight, and remember how lucky you are.

Um not to be rude or anything but, that post doesn't exactly fit into this thread. Again not trying to be rude but there is literately a thread entitled "advice on how to quit heroin" just a thread below this one.

Who knows maybe that was the thread you thought you were in.

Anywho, regardless, if you need someone to talk to PM me. I'M HERE FOR YOU!
 
My dad's mom died of colon cancer when she was young. My mom had part of her colon removed. She regrets getting this surgery because she has since been diagnosed with celiac disease and believes it was the cause of all her symptoms that led to Dr's recommending her colon be removed. All three of my brothers have ulcerative colitis and I was starting to develop symptoms of colitis. Once I quit gluten my acne and stomach/digestive problems ceased. I am going to look into getting tested for it but I am certain I have some problems with gluten and dairy. That is interesting about almond milk I will have to look into it further. Edit: Apparently Silk almond milk is carrageenan free. I do believe I am sustaining my nutritional requirements with these food groups taken out.


I have always been a strong advocate for the medicinal benefits of marijuana, and will continue to hold this sentiment. However it is not without it's side effects. Perhaps the biggest drawback of frequent marijuana use is one's acceptance of a mediocre life of laziness (just my opinion). This is the main reason I decided to quit and why my discipline will remain despite the apparent withdrawal symptoms I am experiencing. I did believe I was going to get increased vitality after quitting and I could not figure out why i felt constantly fatigued, yet had difficulty falling asleep. I decided to google if quitting marijuana could cause this and found a lot of people with similar complaints, some reporting it for 2-6 months after cessation. This is worrisome for me as I am a full time worker and full time student and any advice is appreciated.

Sounds like there's a good chance you have celiac disease, but you might find your lactose intolerance has gone since going gluten free - at least if you're not in a racial group that is naturally lactose intolerant. Marijuana lessens celiac symptoms too, you might be getting some rebound effect. I don't find that marijuana makes me lazy, the opposite in fact, I'm in pain, my joints swell, I get brain fog & fatigue if I stop. How long have you been gluten free? It can take a couple of years to recover.

If I don't consume weed daily then I get no real withdrawal effects as my use is quite low, I keep it under a gram a day, but it will cause a celiac flareup within a few days. A psychedelic binge helped me clear up some lingering symptoms too, but they come back if i try going without weed. It starts on day 2 or 3 for me too, I'm pretty sure it's not withdrawal effects & it's disease symptoms that marijuana treats. I used to be addicted to marijuana & I'm familiar with the withdrawal symptoms, but it's not like that now if I stop, I'm not using those extreme amounts now. I'd lose my appetite, get bad nausea, mood swings & insomnia when it was weed withdrawals, and I'd need to smoke over 3g a day for months on end then suddenly stop to feel it.

I've tried a few supplements & except a normal multivitamin with iron, calcium & magnesium the only supplement that helped me much was MSM, but maybe that just helps with joint pain, I'm not sure, the science on it is shaky at best.

Fresh meat, fish, fruit & vegetables have helped a lot, I stay away from processed food as much as possible now. Eating bananas like they're going out of fashion.

You need to eat plenty of gluten for weeks before the usual celiac test. It does run in families though & there's a dna test that can rule it out - although it can't confirm you've got it. I heard there was some newer test starting to become available too. Some doctors might diagnose if a gluten free diet makes you feel better & then eating gluten makes you feel really bad again - it's a strong sign you might be celiac, especially with a family history of it.

It took 4 years of hospital visits to get my dad diagnosed celiac after he started suffering from vertigo, he's severely disabled now - can't walk & has dementia, all finally confirmed to be caused by celiac, he was misdiagnosed with colitis 30 years ago. Arthritis & fatigue were my main symptoms, gastro problems didn't show for years in me, but when that started, my dad's doctor's mentioned celiac & I looked it up I realised I'd got it too, my symptoms started to improve immediately - but even 7 months later I still have some problems.

Don't drink tea all day either, especially not around meal times or when you take your vitamins, it can destroy B1 & you might already be a bit deficient from coeliac, it could be that causing the fatigue. A few doses of Sulbutiamine seemed to help me a bit.

Whey protein seems to have helped me rebuild myself too. You should really check if you're still lactose intolerant, calcium is especially important for celiacs, if you can handle it then dairy is a great source of nutrition & at worst you should only get a bit of wind and/or diarrhoea from lactose even if you are still intolerant - but it's often a temporary condition caused by gluten in celiacs.
 
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What your going through with the fatigue certainly seems to be a common withdrawal and PAWS symptom. You are removing a chemical that the brain has changed to function near base line with its constant presence. It wants you to take it easy as it thinks there is something wrong.

I know its a little crazy, but exercise and time is your best aproach here.

If you are afraid of anything or have the opertunity to engage in any "extreme" sports or something like skydiving i would do this as it will activate your adrenal system and this would likely have a very positive result on your fatigue. If you afraid of public speaking go give a few speeches.

You may consider adding in a dopamine and adrenal precursor like Phenylalanine and tyrosine, but since you already seem to have very healthy eating habits im not sure it would do much.

Here is some good info on PAWS and exercise

PAWS LINKS
Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki

Exercise and Brain Neurotransmission
Neurobiology of Exercise
Exercise 4 Health, Mental Health, and Addiction vs. I worked all that out


Your doing great.. just will taken a little time to have your neurochemistry return to homeostasis.. just a little patience.

Hope this helps.
 
If he's coeliac there's no way he can do a lot of extreme sports until he's recovered from the disease by completely avoiding gluten for years, unless he's taking some drugs to control it, like cannabis, or if the disease naturally calms down a bit. That kind of fatigue isn't something you can easily snap out of with a bit of extreme sports, it's a serious debilitating illness, it'll mean he wont be able to react quickly if something gets too extreme & heavy exercise could cause more damage, especially if there's arthritis, nerve damage or heart & lung problems that are common with the disease. Most people don't seem to realise how serious the condition is & dismiss it, which makes life much harder for us, it's bad enough as it is without people dismissing your disease as some eating fad. If I want to eat out now I need to be extremely careful, interview the restaurant manager to make sure I wont get poisoned by some flour in a sauce. It takes a while to recover from it, it's hard to totally avoid gluten & flare ups are always possible. It causes systemic inflammation, vitamin deficiencies from malabsorption, serious problems. Cannabis does seem to be effective against some of the symptoms.

Fatigue is not really a typical cannabis withdrawal symptom, it should be a racing mind, insomnia, anorexia, nausea, mood swings, sweating. Chronic fatigue seems to be one of many coeliac/autoimmune symptoms. Maybe the fatigue is due to lack of sleep if he's having a bit of insomnia, but there are other possible causes that sound likely in this case. A little harder to get to sleep might be a minor withdrawal symptom, but it shouldn't cause fatigue unless he can't sleep at all or just gets a couple of hours broken sleep.

None of those PAWS links mention cannabis at all. I've known a lot of people who have actually managed to get addicted to cannabis at some point, myself included, it takes real dedication & I've never known anybody have withdrawal problems for more than a couple of weeks. Nobody mentioned getting fatigued either, it was the opposite of that, more like overstimulated. Never heard of it happening either. It's in no way comparable to people taking benzos for years or being alcoholic. Coeliac symptoms do have some similarities with chronic alcoholism, due the the gastro damage caused, it causes similar malabsorption.

What I have heard of & experienced myself with coeliac disease, is disease symptoms returning worse after cessation. A lot of regular cannabis users are self-medicating. After stopping a few of my friends have had to go on a whole collection of stronger drugs from their doctor, to treat their original problem that cannabis was controlling, when they start smoking cannabis again they need fewer opiates or can stop them altogether.
 
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He should be tested for the Coeliac as from a very quick gander it looked like there are quite accurate blood tests used to diagnose.

Having listened to and worked with people withdrawing from many different substances in PAWS I have seen a degree of commonality, but i have also seen amazing divergence as well. IMHO and IMHE anything that is controlled by the hypothalamus and the pituitary can come into play. Even though it comes with commonalities, it is often very individual.

Fatigue is a very common symptom of PAWS, with many different drugs and combinations.

The fact it came on as of day two is interesting as well. Of course there is a chance that the cannabis was treating or masking symptoms of Coeliac. I think there is also a decent chance this is a symptom of the withdrawal.
 
Thanks for all the replies and discussion. I should have mentioned that the reason I used marijuana frequently was because it greatly reduced the digestion pain I would constantly feel. I have been gluten and dairy free for a month now, and figured it would be a good time to quit marijuana without the digestion pain being present. I was right about this as I feel no need to vaporize marijuana to relieve the digestion problems as I have no more pain in that regard (at least in relation to the pain level prior). However, as I mentioned, this seems to have come with the unexpected side effect of constant fatigue and a sloth-like feeling. It makes sense what you said, neversickanymore. My brain has constantly been supplied with marijuana vapor, literally every single evening. Suddenly quitting any other drug would probably make me unable to get out of bed, or kill me. So i guess simple fatigue after such prolonged use could be looked at in a positive light. I wonder if DrGreenthumb may be on to something as well. Apparently, although not understood, there is a type of gluten withdrawal that can make you fatigued, yet have insomnia as well. This is probably similar to the problems with your adrenal glands that I have also recently read about. That is likely what neversickanymore was referring to when he mentioned trying to activate your adrenal gland. Perhaps the side effects I have complained about on a drug forum actually have nothing to do with sobering up, but more with ceasing gluten around the same time period (although I never would have learned this if I didn't post here).

Thanks for all the nutritional info, DrGreenthumb. Maybe someday I will try dairy again but I really dont want to risk breaking out with acne again (almond milk, almonds and broccoli are my main calcium source now). It's funny you mentioned MSM, although I didn't list it but earlier this year I started taking 5000mg a day of pure msm powder (a long with pure camu camu vit C), increasing daily by 1000 mg, until I reached a stable 20000mg, for 6 months. It really helped my digestion problems (and I have not gotten a cold or any contagious sickness in that time). I stopped for two months to give my body a break but have since started my regimen again because I strongly believe it helps my skin and digestion; I highly recommend it to people with colitis like symptoms (brands with no additives/fillers).

I think it might be too late to get tested for celiac as I have not consumed any gluten in a month. I will update in a couple of months to update how I feel mentally after being gluten and marijuana free, yet I suppose I will never know if it was a withdrawal from marijuana or gluten that caused my constant fatigue.

Edited to add an extra 0 to my MSM dosage as I mistyped it.
 
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I hope you feal better soon. I have been looking through some stuff on Gluten.. pretty nasty stuff it seems.


Gluten is a Drug

Independent of the brain effects already discussed, gliadin peptides may travel through the blood stream can stimulate opiate receptors in the brain resulting in their being termed gliadorphins. The effects of this stimulation may have wide-ranging psychiatric manifestations, not the least of which is the addictive potential of these foods. Those eating high gluten diets can expect to undergo 1-3 weeks of withdrawal symptoms upon cessation. This type of a relationship with a food raises flags for this psychiatrist!

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH, 2013
Go Gluten Free, Fix Your Brain
POSTED BY KELLY BROGAN MD
 
Fatigue is not really a typical cannabis withdrawal symptom, it should be a racing mind, insomnia, anorexia, nausea, mood swings, sweating. Chronic fatigue seems to be one of many coeliac/autoimmune symptoms. Maybe the fatigue is due to lack of sleep if he's having a bit of insomnia, but there are other possible causes that sound likely in this case. A little harder to get to sleep might be a minor withdrawal symptom, but it shouldn't cause fatigue unless he can't sleep at all or just gets a couple of hours broken sleep.

None of those PAWS links mention cannabis at all. I've known a lot of people who have actually managed to get addicted to cannabis at some point, myself included, it takes real dedication & I've never known anybody have withdrawal problems for more than a couple of weeks. Nobody mentioned getting fatigued either, it was the opposite of that, more like overstimulated. Never heard of it happening either. It's in no way comparable to people taking benzos for years or being alcoholic. Coeliac symptoms do have some similarities with chronic alcoholism, due the the gastro damage caused, it causes similar malabsorption.

What I have heard of & experienced myself with coeliac disease, is disease symptoms returning worse after cessation. A lot of regular cannabis users are self-medicating. After stopping a few of my friends have had to go on a whole collection of stronger drugs from their doctor, to treat their original problem that cannabis was controlling, when they start smoking cannabis again they need fewer opiates or can stop them altogether.


Prevalence of cannabis withdrawal symptoms

The most prevalent symptoms (Table 2) were feeling weak/tired, hypersomnia, yawning, psychomotor retardation, anxiety, and depressed mood.


Cannabis withdrawal in the United States: a general population study

Table 2

Scholar: fatigue and cannabis withdrawal

Im a big proponent of both medical and recreational. I was fortunate to work as a medicinal caretaker for many years and witnessed many positive results. I agree that marijuana is a very safe drug. I also agree that its withdrawal is usually very mild.
If you take a peek at the chart I linked it lends at least some credibility to the statement I made about PAWS being a somewhat individual experience.

Most people don't seem to realise how serious the condition is & dismiss it, which makes life much harder for us, it's bad enough as it is without people dismissing your disease as some eating fad

I fully understand what you are going through here. I became very ill with sarcoidosis, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, and something to do with my stomach that made me throw up every five minutes around the clock for three days once or twice a month despite trying every medication i could find.

Sarcoidosis is a very rare disease. Rare diseases have no money potential in them. There is almost no one working on that disease. Most doctors no nothing about it and even most specialist new nothing about it. So I know a little of what you are going through. My insurance and I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars over the five years I was sick. In the begining I dont think fibro was even a recognized illness. I would show up at the hospital to get fluid back up from throwing up and they gave my thousands of blood tests. They all came back spot on. I was asked if I was faking this, I was told that fibro was some cop out made up disease, I was denied disability even though I literally could not even function let alone work, I was called a drug seeker because I threw up my pain meds twice a month. I was given HUGE amounts of opiates and as I already had clear addict tendencies adding a mind blistering methadone and opiate habit was just fantastic.

Finally I reached a point where I could no longer take it and had lost all fucking hope in the medical community. They clearly did not have much of a clue on what I had. So i decided to give a go at figuring out what the hell was going down. I requested my thousands of pages of medical records and poured over them and studied everything I did not know. With in three months I had a decent working knowledge of the medicine surrounding my illnesses and a whole bunch more similar illnesses or possibilities. With in six months I knew as much or more than the specialists about those illnesses. I diagnosed what I thought was going on. Actually I created the diagnoses as it didn't exist. I also identified there were two things going on. The sarcoid (autoimmune), fibro, fatigue, bowel stuff were all one thing and not separate and the bone and joint pain were due to a severe vitamine D deficiency most likely caused by the methadone. I went in and asked for a test and my great physician at the time added on one other. For the first time in almost six years the tests came back way off.

This is what I thought was going to be the case. Then I dropped all the medications they had me on as they were just making things worse while pretty much failing to control symptoms. Then I asked to be placed on two drugs that were not used very often or at all to treat my conditions and started high dose vitamine D replacement. Within three weeks I was like 85% better so I dropped the opiates and within a year was symptom free and no longer needed the medications. They told me I would have fibro for the rest of my life. Its been three years and there is no indication at all its coming back.

Sorry I got a little long winded there.. But I really do know where you are coming from and I wish you the best possible health. :)
 
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I hope you feal better soon. I have been looking through some stuff on Gluten.. pretty nasty stuff it seems.




SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH, 2013
Go Gluten Free, Fix Your Brain
POSTED BY KELLY BROGAN MD

http://thecuriouscoconut.com/blog/is-wheat-addictive-like-heroin

Try this article on for size.

This Gluten-free conspiracy that has infected the minds of North Americans, is just well, a marketing scam.

Did you know the the Gluten free market will be a 15 BILLION dollar industry by the year 2016. 15 billion dollars and not one validated scientific study proving that Gluten is the boogyman. Matter of the fact, the same doctor that put Gluten on the map even retracted his original "thesis".

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/doctor-started-gluten-free-fad-wrong-23840150
 
^^ Incredible story of self-advocacy.

I actually retract what I say about gluten free making me feel better. The gluten free stuff is just as bad for my gut imo and bloats me in an awful way. I have decided to only eat whole foods for awhile to see if that helps. I agree the gluten-free industry marketing stuff like pizza, cookies, etc as a healthy alternative is simply a ploy.
 
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