Who said anything about the Uyghurs?
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Who said anything about the Uyghurs?
atara
Bluelighter
You suggested that "scaremongering" about China is a distraction from the "real evil". However, there is plenty of real evil being committed by the Chinese government and thus concern about it is more than an attempt to shift the attention.
Every evil regime justifies itself with the same line:
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Every evil regime justifies itself with the same line:
And you are lynching Negroes - Wikipedia
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Yeah China is scary, and they're committing some terrible human rights abuses right now. Imagine if they come for us. The next few decades are going to be crazy I think.
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
I've been recently pointed to this fella's twitter feed (I can't even afford to pay attention in that medium) but he raises salient points, which I've heard echoed and whispered by military friends. The point being, China has been playing a long game, as we all suspected, but this gentleman points out the US is doing something about it. My military friends, some connected, some trying to present themselves as connected, pointed to China investing heavily in ports around the world, and the topic at the time was in Africa. I wondered 'why, Africa?' and the response was that raw materials for electronics like cell phones are found there in large quantities. So, in this conversation a few years back, I assumed China was positioning itself to control raw materials globally. I was wrong. More recent conversations that pointed to this twitter feed say the play is much bigger than that. NOTE: I'm not military, nor connected in anyway. So, with most crap I pass along in this forum, do you own homework, make up your own mind.
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Key threads shared recently:
Thread by @man_integrated: ", , Logistics is a map of human intent. Every single thing that moves, or must move, leaves a sign of t […]" (created November 2019)
Thread by @man_integrated: "In the past few days, I've highlighted how China's Initiative (BRI) has been a trojan horse since 2013 for securing critical ge […]" #BeltandRoad #durabledisorder (created November 2019)
So those, are a bit out of date in relation to the Corona virus, but we are witniessing major gov'ts using the virus as a window of opportunity to change rules, and shape the world. What isn't so clear is the connection to Trump's action with the trade war against China = what is/was the real intent and long term play?
From the above threads (I do encourage you to read them, they aren't long):
I'm sorry, I mega-quoted the shit out of that. But please, if any of this piques your interest, read the rest of those twitter-threads and what they in turn point to. A global shift is coming, not just because of the virus but the virus will be used as cover for a lot of re-positioning for global power going forward. I know a lot of us are concerned about short term changes to our liberty at home and how much we'll get back once the virus passes. But there are other things going on with the 'economy' to push China out of the lead position and retain a global leadership position. This also speaks to the oil price wars between KSA and Russia, and to keeping the dollar as THE global currency rather than fall back into an also-ran.
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Key threads shared recently:
Thread by @man_integrated: ", , Logistics is a map of human intent. Every single thing that moves, or must move, leaves a sign of t […]" (created November 2019)
Thread by @man_integrated: "In the past few days, I've highlighted how China's Initiative (BRI) has been a trojan horse since 2013 for securing critical ge […]" #BeltandRoad #durabledisorder (created November 2019)
So those, are a bit out of date in relation to the Corona virus, but we are witniessing major gov'ts using the virus as a window of opportunity to change rules, and shape the world. What isn't so clear is the connection to Trump's action with the trade war against China = what is/was the real intent and long term play?
From the above threads (I do encourage you to read them, they aren't long):
I'm sorry, I mega-quoted the shit out of that. But please, if any of this piques your interest, read the rest of those twitter-threads and what they in turn point to. A global shift is coming, not just because of the virus but the virus will be used as cover for a lot of re-positioning for global power going forward. I know a lot of us are concerned about short term changes to our liberty at home and how much we'll get back once the virus passes. But there are other things going on with the 'economy' to push China out of the lead position and retain a global leadership position. This also speaks to the oil price wars between KSA and Russia, and to keeping the dollar as THE global currency rather than fall back into an also-ran.
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
Trump signs TAIPEI Act into law (update)
For those unfamiliar, China has long claimed Taiwan was an island belonging to them rather than a (small) independent country. Trump is standing with Taiwan's independence.
Also, note the 415-0 bipartisan vote from the House. They CAN agree on somethings.
For those unfamiliar, China has long claimed Taiwan was an island belonging to them rather than a (small) independent country. Trump is standing with Taiwan's independence.
Also, note the 415-0 bipartisan vote from the House. They CAN agree on somethings.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
I applaud this, although it's also strategically sound, since it to some extent helps to keep China's influence down.
Wilson Wilson
Bluelighter
It's only come to my attention after recent events just how much the WHO seems to be in China's pocket, more than a little worrying. The WHO reported in January that COVID-19 cannot be transmitted between humans, citing research by "Chinese authorities." Helping China with their coverup.
Meanwhile the WHO does not recognise Taiwan as a country. Not only are Taiwan not allowed to be members, but they literally refuse to accept they're a country. I wonder why that could be? What powerful nation refuses to accept the sovereignty of neighbouring countries?
Have to say though I really doubt much will come of this in the long-term. A lot of people talk about not buying anything made in China anymore. This would be impossible in reality. I can see Chinese brand names losing sales over this sentiment, but every American company still makes their shit in China, and even Chinese companies are smart enough to invent Western sounding brands or buy out established Western brands. Huawei sells phones under a sub-brand called Honor while Motorola has been owned by Lenovo for years. No one seems to bat an eye at any of this.
However the manufacturing sector in India was already experiencing a significant boom before COVID-19 and I can easily see that trend continuing afterwards. How much that will be influenced by this pandemic, or how much would have happened anyway, who knows? But manufacturing will continue expanding outside of China.
Crazy unpredictable times ahead.
Meanwhile the WHO does not recognise Taiwan as a country. Not only are Taiwan not allowed to be members, but they literally refuse to accept they're a country. I wonder why that could be? What powerful nation refuses to accept the sovereignty of neighbouring countries?
Have to say though I really doubt much will come of this in the long-term. A lot of people talk about not buying anything made in China anymore. This would be impossible in reality. I can see Chinese brand names losing sales over this sentiment, but every American company still makes their shit in China, and even Chinese companies are smart enough to invent Western sounding brands or buy out established Western brands. Huawei sells phones under a sub-brand called Honor while Motorola has been owned by Lenovo for years. No one seems to bat an eye at any of this.
However the manufacturing sector in India was already experiencing a significant boom before COVID-19 and I can easily see that trend continuing afterwards. How much that will be influenced by this pandemic, or how much would have happened anyway, who knows? But manufacturing will continue expanding outside of China.
Crazy unpredictable times ahead.
Boku_
Bluelighter
The WHO doesn't have a clue how bad it got in Wuhan.
Anyone heard the rumours coming out of central China specifically the mass executions of whole villages of poor Chinese citizens infected with corona virus who were pleading for medical treatment but the sick and dying were commanded by the army to stay indoors and self-isolate until the symptoms disappeared and the penny dropped that in order for the Chinese communist regime to contain the outbreak of the Covid19 infections outside of the urban Wuhan district where the middle classes could get treated at hospital soldiers had to machine gun any poor rural Chinese citizens attempting to escape their homes as Beijing deemed it necessary for the dying to stay in their family members homes all for the greater good.
All we can hope for is a vaccine.
Boku_
Bluelighter
I'm the same, As a Aussie with relatives living in the USA I don't really know what to make of the whole US China rivalry. What difference would it make if the Chinese economy became bigger than the US economy, the way I see it if China becomes the new global super power the yanks will still control more of the world's oil and natural gas and unlike the cold war between Russia and America no-one is picturing a full blown military conflict between East and West. It isn't China's style to resort to an armed forces invasion of a rival. China has too many vested interests in America to risk rocking the boat internationally, figuratively speaking. The Chinese prefer to grow foreign financial investment and industrial ownership creating power and influence outside it's boarders than flex it's military muscles.
As for China controlling Hollywood my only question is why there's no narcos style films or TV shows on Chinese based drug traffickers the same way the American producers make content about Columbian and Mexican cartels.
Even the Hong Kong film industry when the British were in charge didn't make Triad gangster movies featuring mainland Chinese drug traffickers.
In the 80s and 90s all the blockbuster Hong Kong movies made about the Chinese underworld had plots involving counterfeit money, gambling dens, protection rackets, hit men for hire etc but never plots involving large scale international heroin or Crystal methamphetamine traffickers. Funny that
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TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
This could go in the Trump thread, or it's own thread, but ...
Trump signs executive order to support moon mining, tap asteroid resources | Space
So, why am I putting it here?
China: Moon Mining only Beginning of Ambitious Space Plans | National Review
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China intends to displace the US in every possible way.
Trump signs executive order to support moon mining, tap asteroid resources | Space
So, why am I putting it here?
China: Moon Mining only Beginning of Ambitious Space Plans | National Review
= = = =
China intends to displace the US in every possible way.
Wilson Wilson
Bluelighter
Man I'm now imagining a battle over who gets to mine resources on the Moon, it's like a sci-fi movie in real life.
I wanna see Elon Musk fight Xi Jinping on Mars.
And someone has to sneak a Winnie the Pooh toy in the background.
Alright all politics aside this would just be fucking cool. Imagine being able to buy something literally made in space. It's like an Asimov story come to life.
This is even cooler holy shit.
novaveritas
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well that is a crock!!
If you can continue with your preconceived ideas about China you are doomed to extinction. You going to tell me that none of these supposed machine gunned victims had families friends and connections outside china, who could put names to the falun gong BS narrative. The CIA and the other western intelligence agencies used their connections in china to find evidence and came up empty handed, because there was nothing significant to find.
Go visit china, start with westernized HK then go through the South, then round to Shanghai and finally to Beijing if you can also go north and east. China is a big country and it is really not what you think. You will see the good the bad and everything in between.
keep praying for a vaccine, I pray for a vaccine against stupid but God leaves my prayers unanswered....
US strategy in Africa appears to involve encouraging Islamist insurgency which the good ol US army can blow up and force themselves into countries. Chinese have a superior soft power strategy recycle all those US dollars into real stuff gets rid of the dollars and gets you real stuff. Sooner or later the US will only have its military nothing else will work and the rest of the country will be a shell. Listen to what president Eisenhower said in his farewell speech. he was right.
In the last few weeks I have seen clear evidence that Chinese biotech is using every day stuff that Western academics still think is cool enough and new enough to write papers on. The gap is so so obvious. Step up your game Western roundeyes, the Chinese are ahead, miles and miles (actually kilometers and kilometers ahead) and are pulling even further ahead.
Wilson Wilson
Bluelighter
Hello 50 Cent Party
50 Cent Party - Wikipedia
According to an article published by Xiao Qiang on her website China Digital Times, a leaked propaganda directive, sent to 50 Cent Party Internet commentators, stated their objective was the following:
In order to circumscribe the influence of Taiwanese democracy, in order to progress further in the work of guiding public opinion, and in accordance with the requirements established by higher authorities to "be strategic, be skilled," we hope that internet commentators conscientiously study the mindset of netizens, grasp international developments, and better perform the work of being an internet commentator. For this purpose, this notice is promulgated as set forth below:
(1) To the extent possible make America the target of criticism. Play down the existence of Taiwan.
(2) Do not directly confront [the idea of] democracy; rather, frame the argument in terms of "what kind of system can truly implement democracy.”
(3) To the extent possible, choose various examples in Western countries of violence and unreasonable circumstances to explain how democracy is not well-suited to capitalism.
(4) Use America's and other countries' interference in international affairs to explain how Western democracy is actually an invasion of other countries and [how the West] is forcibly pushing [on other countries] Western values.
(5) Use the bloody and tear-stained history of a [once] weak people [i.e., China] to stir up pro-Party and patriotic emotions.
(6) Increase the exposure that positive developments inside China receive; further accommodate the work of maintaining [social] stability.
These are the directives given by the CCP to their online commentator propaganda team colloquially known as the 50 Cent Party, you have pretty much covered most of them.
What do you think of Taiwan's response to COVID-19?
As far as Africa goes, I have never spoken to an African who approves of the Chinese presence in any African nation. All China does is set up companies that only hire Chinese people. They do not do anything to serve the local economy or the local people.
You can see from the rest of this thread I have not exactly taken a pro-US anti-China stance, but this comment of yours defending China so strongly does come off a bit fishy especially when it hits most of the 50 Cent Party talking points.
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐓𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐰
Not quoted is reference to "Made in China 2025" initiative they are operating under
Total.World.Domination.
The United States and China have taken wildly differing approaches to securing their individual national security.
A key distinction - and one where China is leading - is in control of critical raw materials
In 1939, Pres Roosevelt signed the Strategic and Critical Materials Stock Piling Act into law.
Its intent was to prevent the US from being caught short of essential raw materials during a crisis, especially where the US had dependency on foreign sources.
We have failed.
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Quite simply, China has made too many nations dependent on it, making full decoupling impossible.
Notably, China has been heavily targeting critical raw materials for telecom, semiconductors, satellites, batteries, solar cells, and weapons systems.
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This is where weaponized logistics comes in.
BRI is increasingly earning a bad rap as "debt diplomacy", which caused the US, Australia, and Japan to cooperatively launch the Blue Dot Network to counter BRI in NOV19.
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the US must completely shift its policy and structure around strategic materials. These are weapons in a time of war, and as we're seeing with COVID-19, foreign dependency is dangerous.
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Second, the US must implement a sub-Cabinet level National Quartermaster to streamline visibility and accountability for strategic materials, as well as food, water, energy supplies (including clean-tech), and medical goods.
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Third and finally, the US must adopt a "total war" posture towards this issue.
Most importantly will be removing the internal chokepoints that stovepipe action at the federal and state levels.
We can no longer let China control the foundations of tomorrow, today.
Not quoted is reference to "Made in China 2025" initiative they are operating under
Total.World.Domination.
Wilson Wilson
Bluelighter
𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐓𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐰
Not quoted is reference to "Made in China 2025" initiative they are operating under
Total.World.Domination.
As far as lithium in particular goes, I don't see that as a long-term issue, only a short-term issue. Lithium-ion batteries are at this point pretty dated technology we're only sticking to while solid state batteries are being refined. Once the production of solid state batteries becomes commercially viable, there will be no reliance on lithium for electricity.
The question then will be who controls the supply of fast ion conductors? Most of them are synthetic rather than natural resources, so this hopefully should not be an issue - or at least it would be one that is easily fixed, as in principle anyone could make them in the lab. This is one of the advantages of the technology in the first place, as lithium mining is very very very bad for the environment despite the heavily marketed environmental advantages of tech such as electric cars.
The fact China controls so many other materials necessary for production of technology is certainly a worrying thought though. This is why they're all over Africa as well.
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
White House Advisor Peter Navarro Provides Updated Perspectives on The U.S. -vs- China Relationship…
Cavuto asked White House Manufacturing and Policy Advisor Peter Navarro if he “trusts China”?
Navarro made four quick points:
1) China created the virus, possibly in a bioweapons lab;
2) China hid the virus from the world while seeding the planet with infected travelers;
3) While downplaying the virus through the WHO, China was simultaneously gathering up all PPE from around the world;
4) After they hoarded all PPE China then profiteers by selling at massively inflated prices.
China is asshoe.
Cavuto asked White House Manufacturing and Policy Advisor Peter Navarro if he “trusts China”?
Navarro made four quick points:
1) China created the virus, possibly in a bioweapons lab;
2) China hid the virus from the world while seeding the planet with infected travelers;
3) While downplaying the virus through the WHO, China was simultaneously gathering up all PPE from around the world;
4) After they hoarded all PPE China then profiteers by selling at massively inflated prices.
China is asshoe.
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
Tanzania President cancels $10billion Chinese loan; Refers to the Terms and Conditions As One That Can Only be Accepted by Drunkard Person.
Article continues, but at least they are waking up to the Chinese plan.
Article continues, but at least they are waking up to the Chinese plan.
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JGrimez
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The anti-China rhetoric has really ramped up recently.
It's interesting when you take seriously the theory that this virus actually came out of Fort Detrick, USA.
The US has an extremely vested interest in blaming China solely for this virus.
It's interesting when you take seriously the theory that this virus actually came out of Fort Detrick, USA.
The US has an extremely vested interest in blaming China solely for this virus.
More evidence of China winning history:
UK universities comply with China's internet restrictions
UK universities are testing a new online teaching link for students in China - which will require course materials to comply with Chinese restrictions on the internet.
It enables students in China to keep studying UK degrees online, despite China's limits on internet access.
But it means students can only reach material on an "allowed" list.
Universities UK said it was "not aware of any instances when course content has been altered".
And the universities' body rejected that this was accepting "censorship".
A spokeswoman said the project would allow students in China to have better access to UK courses "while complying with local regulations".
UK universities are testing a new online teaching link for students in China - which will require course materials to comply with Chinese restrictions on the internet.
It enables students in China to keep studying UK degrees online, despite China's limits on internet access.
But it means students can only reach material on an "allowed" list.
Universities UK said it was "not aware of any instances when course content has been altered".
And the universities' body rejected that this was accepting "censorship".
A spokeswoman said the project would allow students in China to have better access to UK courses "while complying with local regulations".
UK universities comply with China's internet restrictions
But universities reject that tests on online learning in China are accepting "censorship".
www.bbc.co.uk
JGrimez
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Trump administration “looking into” ban on TikTok, other Chinese apps
Chinese company/government did well with the popularity of Tiktok
Chinese company/government did well with the popularity of Tiktok