Charlottesville, Virginia

[alasdairm]

^ i've seen these videos and it just demonstrates the pointlessness of teaching people hate.

the claim was that protestors were paid to protest. that article sure says a lot but it doesn't prove that protestors were paid.

come on, liquidmethod, you continually stress the importance of being objective and dealing in facts.

do you have another source which proves that protestors were paid?

alasdair

 

[LiquidMethod]

alasdair

What I said was

It's probably true that's why it's not funny.

Never said I had proof, just that what happened in Charlottesville and is happening in general with this Antifa color revolution has Soros' fingerprints all over it.
The USA finally sees first-hand what has preceded every regime change overseas.

You also answer about 5% of the tough questions that I ask you..


FBI Admits Federal Informants Linked to Deadly Charlottesville Riots; Unlikely To Face Charges

The FBI has Intel assets implanted in several white supremacy sects, as well as the radical ANTIFA group, according to federal law enforcement sources who spoke to True Pundit.
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One FBI insider said the Bureau is somewhat handcuffed in an investigation like this. How can you charge someone who might be linked, the FBI insider asked, when you’ve been paying them for months or longer?

 

[swilow]

Also, why are Antifa chanting for George Soros to pay them?

Because he didn't pay them? :D

That was a Twitter feed anyway, I heard no chanting...and I have enough brains to know it was a joke to troll people like you. I mean, lets pretend for a bit, how would such a chant back your claim that he pays antifa to protest? It kinda says the complete and absolute opposite.

How's the weather in lala land today?

 

[LiquidMethod]

I did not realize that it was a joke as I literally have never heard the regressive Left say anything funny. In fact they actively champion against humor and attack the art of comedy in order to demonize people, virtue-signal and refuel their hate machines.

I notice that nobody has addressed the closet Democrat organizing the Nazi rally.
La-la land is thinking that your terrorist organization has not been infiltrated.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Timeline:

The planned event permit application was made by a group of Constitutionalists, NOT by a White Supremacy (KKK) group like the media reported.

Constitutionalists organized a peaceful assembly in Charlottesville called Unite the Right. The organizers lawfully obtained a permit to host this event

Wes Bellamy, the Vice-Mayor of Charlottesville, illegally revoked the permit for this event. Wes Bellamy is a known Leftist and is affiliated with the Black Panther Party, a Black supremacist organization.

The ACLU successfully sued Charlottesville for violating the First Amendment, and a Federal judge ruled that the permit must be reinstated and the right to assemble honored.

Unite the Right was scheduled to take place at 12:00pm for an organized, peaceful gathering with scheduled speakers.

At 11:30am, a heavily militarized police force illegally shut down the event, physically assaulting peaceful protesters with batons and tear gas. Several people were illegally arrested.

Right at noon, who shows up but the KKK, BLM and Antifa (along with other paid actors who have been hired at similar events, purportedly by none other than George Soros.)

While evacuating, many protesters were illegally assaulted by counter-protesters from Antifa and Black Lives Matter as the police stood by and did nothing.

Antifa and BLM members were recorded throwing bricks at people, using pepper spray, throwing molotov cocktails, water balloons (filled with chemicals, urine and feces).

The Constitutionalists were physically trapped between the Antifa terrorists and the police. The Constitutionalists pleaded to the police for their assistance. The police responded that they were given orders by the Mayor to stand down. Not only that, but because the police were shutting down the event, the Constitutionalists were told that unless they were residents of Charlottesville, they would be arrested if they did not leave immediately. However, the police were told not to allow the Constitutionalists past them, which meant they were FORCED to walk through the BLM and Antifa protestors. To me this sounds pretty well orchestrated.

A terrorist associated with the KKK drove his car straight in to a crowd of people, killing at least one, nearly killing 5 (they are in ICU) and injuring 12 others.

The state of Virginia declared a state of emergency with the National Guard on standby, and Charlottesville became the #1 news story in the world.

The lying media intentionally portrayed this all in a way to make it appear that 1) the peaceful protesters were white supremacists 2) Constitutionalists were the perpetrators of the violence, rather than the victims, despite heavy video evidence to the contrary.

This was an enormous breech of trust by the mainstream media, an enormous breach of the Constitutionalists’ First Amendment rights, an enormous breach by our men in blue who became a violent police-state suppression of free speech that is now being hidden by the lying media.

Conclusion: Given the testimony from the Constitutionalists, this was a WELL PLANNED AMBUSH on law-abiding Americans!

 

[LiquidMethod]

Chomsky gets it right: Antifa is wrong in principle, self-destructive and a major gift to the militant right

The violent tactics employed by Antifa are actually fueling the militant right and perpetuating an endless feedback loop of violence and hate.

Progressive intellectual icon Noam Chomsky has publicly stated that the Antifa movement, while being embraced by the mainstream media after the recent violence in Charlottesville, will only serve to embolden militant right-wing extremists - essentially creating a feedback loop of escalating violence.

"As for Antifa, it's a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were. It's a major gift to the right, including the militant right, who are exuberant," Chomsky told the Washington Examiner.
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Chomsky said, "what they do is often wrong in principle - like blocking talks - and [the movement] is generally self-destructive."
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"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win - and we know who that is," said Chomsky,
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Make no mistake that what you are witnessing is a self-sustaining feedback loop of violence. As the alt right rose to prominence as a nationalist movement, with overtones of protectionism, which many on the left label as racist (obviously there is fringe minority of racist elements within the larger alt right movement), the hard left felt a rising tide of open bigotry towards minorities and foreigners, which precipitated their attempts to shut down anyone who espouses ideas that conflict with their progressive and inclusive worldview.
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It is important to point out that this is not an endorsement of Trump. While Americans fight amongst themselves, under Trump's watch, the military-industrial complex is laying waste to the Middle East and the police state is continuously expanding - just as they did under Obama.
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While it may be ok to punch an actual Nazi who is threatening you, when did it become ok to punch people for simply attempting to listen, or espouse, ideas you don't like or find repugnant?

What we see transpiring is blanket label being given to anyone whose views conflict that of Antifa, thus being labeled as a Nazis, racist, or fascist - when in reality the person being assaulted may be none of those things.

Ironically, this how the actual Nazi movement in Weimar Germany was able to marginalize Jews, labeling them as subhuman and vermin. Essentially, Antifa is operating with similar tactics as they attempt to dehumanize those they want to politically marginalize. Calling them racists, fascists or Nazis, is a means of legitimizing the violence they perpetuate in the name of their political ideology.

No one is condemning the defensive use of force against those attempting to perpetrate violence on others, but using violence to silence those whose politics differ from yours - who are not a violent threat - is when you cross the line from being an anti-fascists to being an actual fascist.

 

[swilow]

^Ha, you're so far from being wrong that its pointless even arguing with you. :D

Constitutionalist sounds like a sanitized weasel word. You're making the left proud. The rest is basically like the bible. A bit of truth, a lot of some wankers opinion. Not worth the photons that would transmit it to my retina if photons existed.

Edit: I tend to agree with Chomsky re: antifa. I'm not a fan of their tactics, I don't see a huge difference between them and fascists. Except so far antifa haven't driven cars into people, afaik that's reserved for fascists like Unite the Right and Isis.

The irony of quoting Chomsky is huge. He's a guy that wouldn't even bother reading your posts. I emulate him in that regard.

Also, please just edit your posts, you are totally dominating this topic. Just settle down and maybe consider less is more.

I did not realize that it was a joke as I literally have never heard the regressive Left say anything funny. In fact they actively champion against humor and attack the art of comedy in order to demonize people, virtue-signal and refuel their hate machines.

I notice that nobody has addressed the closet Democrat organizing the Nazi rally.
La-la land is thinking that your terrorist organization has not been infiltrated.

Can I have a side of utter twaddle with my hyperbolic dinner?

 

[Soso78]

Good point about antifa acting like fascists.
Antifa are doing a good job of pushing people to the right.

 

[LiquidMethod]

^Ha, you're so far from being wrong that its pointless even arguing with you. :D

Constitutionalist sounds like a sanitized weasel word. You're making the left proud. The rest is basically like the bible. A bit of truth, a lot of some wankers opinion. Not worth the photons that would transmit it to my retina if photons existed.

Edit: I tend to agree with Chomsky re: antifa. I'm not a fan of their tactics, I don't see a huge difference between them and fascists. Except so far antifa haven't driven cars into people, afaik that's reserved for fascists like Unite the Right and Isis.

The irony of quoting Chomsky is huge. He's a guy that wouldn't even bother reading your posts. I emulate him in that regard.

Also, please just edit your posts, you are totally dominating this topic. Just settle down and maybe consider less is more.



Can I have a side of utter twaddle with my hyperbolic dinner?

Thought we were refraining from insults. Throwing out multiple ad homs is a losing argument.

^Ha, you're so far from being wrong

Does that mean I'm right?

 

[swilow]

Not even wrong..look it up

Show me an example of where I insulted you and not your argument. I was being silly because I return like for like. You could also look up ad hominem too.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Yeah I've been threatened with being permabanned so now I just report all the posts that call me a Nazi.

And you have the choice to refute points or ridicule an entire agument.

 

[alasdairm]

Never said I had proof, just that what happened in Charlottesville and is happening in general with this Antifa color revolution has Soros' fingerprints all over it.

maybe you should:

Stick to the facts and assess those.

alasdair

 

[Scrofula]

So, the thread quiets a bit, and someone sneaks back in to explain that it was all a conspiracy by some group that doesn't like Donald Trump (as all things bad are) perpetrated on a group that likes Donald Trump.

You gotta be real careful how you phrase the end of that, Liquid. I hope you see the logical trap there, even if you do seem impervious to those.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Charlottesville violence: What Germans think seeing a US far-right rally (video)

 

[swilow]

^Interestimg vid.

Yeah I've been threatened with being permabanned so now I just report all the posts that call me a Nazi.

And you have the choice to refute points or ridicule an entire agument.

Okay, the post you reported called you a Nazi defender. Different thing in my eyes... We don't action every report but evaluate them all of course, and appreciate them too.

Your argument is not worth refuting again. That's just my opinion though. You just keep repeating it regardless of points made counter to it.

 

[Fresco]

For crying out loud, would everybody just relax already!!!

Unreal

 

[Scrofula]

It's kind of serious though, you know?

The few Australians I've known personally didn't always get the earnestness of American race relations, like how it escalates real fast. This is not PC stuff, this is daily interactions in the US stuff.

So I have this instinctual urge to tell some to quiet down.

It then gets real annoying when they seem to insist that a Klan getting rowdy again is no big deal, and understand things just fine.

ETA: I just don't want to get kicked out of the restaurant and i'm saying these last posts through gritted teeth and looking around nervously.

Sure, we're not in a restaurant, talk away. It just gets tension going. Can't help it.

 

[swilow]

Race is a huge topic in Australia too, not least because 'white people' are invaders here. But, after waves of immigration, its part of Australian culture to imagine we live in a harmonious, egalitarian but distinctly beige society that functions smoothly and we all get along. Of course, its untrue. Most migrants to Australia are still culturally distinct and it takes several generations for 'assimilation' which is always achieved through acquiescence by and large.

In terms of black and white, I'm personally stuck in the middle and have seen parts of Australia where indigenous people live in worse conditions than seen in developing nations. Towns where people are only black and left with nothing but the occasional military intervention from the government. Forget desegregation, it's not even begun in those places, not even a whisper. Forget the Klan, there is no need, anymore than lynch parties for stray rabbits are required. Its a travesty, one of the greatest injustices earth has seen but everyone says Australia is multicultural and diverse and strong besides. Its really an Americanised Anglo monoculture to my eyes, and we've never even thought to sign a peace treaty with our first nation. What is the point, you don't accord peace to those with literally no bargaining power. You don't lynch those whose very birth hanged them.

Black people have more power in the US than could be dreamed of by my cousins suffering inter generational forced helplessness. On the other hand, when your darkness is largely washed out, you can sit in comfort as I uneasily do. It seems that the US often thinks its race issues are bigger and badder than other nations but your slaves were free nearly 150 yrs ago. Ours were finally considered human 50 years ago when largely white people decided it was so. We haven't even gotten started and its already too late.

I'm way more scared of the global monoculture the US has imported than I am of the KKK. You can feel it on bluelight which is dominated by Americans. Of course, you will feel like your issues should be discussed wuth utmost earnestness, the entire world has been having such explosive discussions for 80 years. Its kinda tiresome, hence I'm pretty convinced you aren't any closer to race war or tidal waves of lynchings than at any other time in your history of war, which is to save a hairs breadth what with the extreme earnestness the entire globe must MUST respect.

Not trying to tell you that its wrong to be earnest, but its wrongheaded to assume other non participants will ever "get it". The worlds had its fair share of "getting" America problems imo.

For me, a part of me almost wants to see the US implde, at least hypothetically. It might jyst save the rest of us. What a dreadful awful truth to address.

 

[cduggles]

Scrofula, it also affects US - international relations too, Mr. First World.

Luckily we haven't angered the Canadians yet. (Have we?)

The first Australian I met was at a college party. There was a little fire outside and I sat by it. Then I saw him. He was hot and smiled at me. He was surrounded by clearly unworthy chicks, so I decided to help him out.

We chatted and he talked about eating joeys (kangaroos). Was he serious? He said koalas could be ill-tempered in the bush (that's Australian for the untamed outdoors).

He came to sit by me. We talked more and he was still hot up close but not stuck up, cool accent, and polite. He was on an athletic scholarship for crew (rowing?). He went to go get me a beer. He came back and we sat closer and closer (yes!).

A very platonic male "friend" came to kindly tell me my sober ride was leaving (I didn't know this concept yet, but he was "blocking"). So hot Australian guy offers me a sober ride. I can catch another ride if he's a jerk or a bad kisser so "that's cool". Platonic guy leaves.

We laugh hahaha and a very fit arm is snug around me and firelight and sparks and... platonic guy's roommate, a whiny chick with a whinier voice arrives and says she's worried about me getting home. A couple of his teammates are checking for a decision. Platonic guy returns.

With all these pressures, we are pulled apart very reluctantly and cruelly. Two more minutes and I would have known if I would pretend-reluctant leave or stay no matter what.
Platonic guy married whiny girl.
We never met again.
The End

So let's all think about my feelings for a bit, okay?

 

[Somerandomdude]

Race is a huge topic in Australia too, not least because 'white people' are invaders here. But, after waves of immigration, its part of Australian culture to imagine we live in a harmonious, egalitarian but distinctly beige society that functions smoothly and we all get along. Of course, its untrue. Most migrants to Australia are still culturally distinct and it takes several generations for 'assimilation' which is always achieved through acquiescence by and large.

In terms of black and white, I'm personally stuck in the middle and have seen parts of Australia where indigenous people live in worse conditions than seen in developing nations. Towns where people are only black and left with nothing but the occasional military intervention from the government. Forget desegregation, it's not even begun in those places, not even a whisper. Forget the Klan, there is no need, anymore than lynch parties for stray rabbits are required. Its a travesty, one of the greatest injustices earth has seen but everyone says Australia is multicultural and diverse and strong besides. Its really an Americanised Anglo monoculture to my eyes, and we've never even thought to sign a peace treaty with our first nation. What is the point, you don't accord peace to those with literally no bargaining power. You don't lynch those whose very birth hanged them.

Black people have more power in the US than could be dreamed of by my cousins suffering inter generational forced helplessness. On the other hand, when your darkness is largely washed out, you can sit in comfort as I uneasily do. It seems that the US often thinks its race issues are bigger and badder than other nations but your slaves were free nearly 150 yrs ago. Ours were finally considered human 50 years ago when largely white people decided it was so. We haven't even gotten started and its already too late.

I'm way more scared of the global monoculture the US has imported than I am of the KKK. You can feel it on bluelight which is dominated by Americans. Of course, you will feel like your issues should be discussed wuth utmost earnestness, the entire world has been having such explosive discussions for 80 years. Its kinda tiresome, hence I'm pretty convinced you aren't any closer to race war or tidal waves of lynchings than at any other time in your history of war, which is to save a hairs breadth what with the extreme earnestness the entire globe must MUST respect.

Not trying to tell you that its wrong to be earnest, but its wrongheaded to assume other non participants will ever "get it". The worlds had its fair share of "getting" America problems imo.

For me, a part of me almost wants to see the US implde, at least hypothetically. It might jyst save the rest of us. What a dreadful awful truth to address.

Just briefly:

1. White people are not invaders to Australia. It's our country as much as it belongs to the indigenous.

2. Some terrible, disgusting things happened to the indigenous people but it's not the fault of all whites, ppl alive today have no control over the past.

3. When the British came they saw Aboriginals living a hunter gatherer lifestyle- it didn't compute with them. They didn't recognise this as a civilisation and claimed the land for king George. It is what it is. Legally speaking there is no question of Australia being invaded- it was peacefully occupied. Legally speaking- I know there was conflict here and there.

4. I agree, we are a first world country with ppl living in third world conditions- it's because of alcohol abuse and welfare. Warren Mundine says it perfectly- back in the Early 20th century indigenous were badly discriminated against, but they had jobs. They sheared sheep, worked as trackers and did all sorts of things. Alcohol abuse existed but it wasn't as bad because most worked.

Mass distribution of welfare has completely f*cked that community. No incentive to work combined with alcohol abuse is a recipe for disaster.

Indigenous community needs to be brought into the economy- giving our welfare and blaming whitey is never going to save that community