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Yeah, I didn't word it the best. I shouldn't have said Trump champions the attitude of the driver.

How about he IS a champion of people with attitudes similar to the driver, and some in his campaign actively courted those people. I'm talking about Breitbart walking scabie Steve Bannon, who appears to be literally part of the white power set.

Trump did not condemn the violence by the driver that resulted in death. How culpable is he for adding to that environment?


ETA: he condemned it only after he himself was condemned.
 
You know, that video, it looked like Trump can't even get that right: I didn't see any black people, I saw divided whites.
 
Scrofula said:
Yeah, I didn't word it the best. I shouldn't have said Trump champions the attitude of the driver.

How about he IS a champion of people with attitudes similar to the driver, and some in his campaign actively courted those people. I'm talking about Breitbart walking scabie Steve Bannon, who appears to be literally part of the white power set.

Trump did not condemn the violence by the driver that resulted in death. How culpable is he for adding to that environment?


ETA: he condemned it only after he himself was condemned.
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I can't speak to members of his campaign. I try to distance myself from it as much as possible, I barely watch any mainstream news if at all avoidable. Maybe I'm just as culpable for not paying attention and speaking out. I find that if I live my life as best as I can (which I fail at constantly) and avoid hateful, violent, people, then I am in an OK spot.

How can someone be culpable for adding to an environment for something they did or did not do after the event?
 
They didn't (do it after the fact). His campaign courted that environment by holding rallies that often got violent. This went on over (the course of a year) over a year ago.

That, is the sort of responsibility I'm talking about. He got elected, he is where he is, because he got these folks out to vote for him.

(more edits) Bigots and misogynists came out of the woodwork for this guy, as evidenced by the goddamned internet. They thought he was gonna turn things around and it was OK again to slap the secretary's ass and use a slur at the cab driver.

"They" does not mean every Trump voter. Some just thought it was funny.

He singled out non-whites at his rallies and heckled them from the podium; usually there would be a struggle and the guy would get ejected; in the parking lot things could get a lot worse.

It's hard not to see direct lines here. I'm not saying Trump agrees with anything, I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to even grasp it. But he had people running his campaign who were more than a little friendly with white supremacists. That's not a liquid accusation, it's pretty well documented.
 
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I find this whole thing ridiculous.

I get that you don't want NeoNazis parading around your town and shit, but if you just ignore them then what power do they have?

It appears there were violent individuals on both sides of this particular disaster.

Where were the police?

It is terrible that somehow some asshole ran over innocent people with a vehicle.
 
its unbelievable how absent the police were.

If you also watch a video of the crash, it took the ambulance and police a solid 15 minutes to get there
 
Well the police would have been with the "main" rally, right? Although that did look an awful lot like pushing and shoving, nobody had those little ring knife things. I don't know what they're called, I just used my fingertips when I was in. Tracheae are pretty fragile, really.
 
JahSEEuS said:
I find this whole thing ridiculous.

I get that you don't want NeoNazis parading around your town and shit, but if you just ignore them then what power do they have?

It appears there were violent individuals on both sides of this particular disaster.

Where were the police?

It is terrible that somehow some asshole ran over innocent people with a vehicle.
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It is ridiculous, till people die.

It would be real nice if people just ignored them. If you were black and nazis came walking down your street, like they used to, when they needed a kid to string up, would you ignore them? They still did that less than a hundred years ago. They were still doing it fifty years ago.

Who gives a fuck who threw the first rock, that scuffle is less nasty than a tailgate. Sadly, it's the murder that makes this news.
 
it's even ridiculous that someone had to die in this.

point taken. even though they weren't coming to string anyone up. i suppose it's not too many variations away if you don't resist or show some strength in numbers against such behavior.

agreed.
 
Scrofula said:
His campaign courted that environment by holding rallies that often got violent. This went on over (the course of a year) over a year ago.
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You may have missed it, but we have Democratic operatives caught on camera covertly organizing people to instigate violence at Trump rallies.
Does this factor into your conclusions and should they be held responsible?


Also the definition for "Nazi" has been very loosely applied recently (apparently I'm a Nazi).
 
Wait, is that a . . . conspiracy again? Operatives caught, secretly organizing?

I never said YOU were a "nazi" or a NAZI, or a zombie "socialist" from the 1930s.

YOU said they were "intellectuals with good points". I called you a nazi sympathizer and admirer. Do you disagree?
 
Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies

Yes, a conspiracy is when 2 or more people conspire in secret. There is a crime called conspiracy. It is not a buzzword to justify your ignorance.

Scrofula said:
YOU said they were "intellectuals with good points". I called you a nazi sympathizer and admirer. Do you disagree?
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Some of the alt-right bring up valid points relating to mass immigration. You will never listen to the qualms of "the other side" so you will never be informed or educated. You're a mindless propagandist. And honestly do you even buy your own bullshit? Everyone that disagrees with you is a Nazi? It's pathetic.

Not bathing in tears of white guilt - doesn't make one a white supremacist.
Opposing state multiculturalism and affirmative action - doesn't make one a racist.
Rejecting cultural marxism - doesn't make one a fascist.

And one can claim that the fake agenda of "social justice" has rotted the West from the inside out - without calling for violence against any of their adherents.
 
I really hope your Bubbe isn't around to hear you and the people you're defending.

I also hope you at least look up at some point to see where your special march is headed.
 
I do not condone or defend them, however I will listen to them.

We also share a common enemy - the terrorist groups known as Antifa & BLM.
 
This is your logic:

Hitler was vehemently against nicotine and tobacco.

So everyone that agrees with him on that topic, is a fucking Nazi...

Is that stupid?
 
LiquidMethod said:
Are you going to also classify Antifa & BLM as terrorist organizations? Or is it only "terrorism" when political violence is enacted against groups that you support?

And I don't recall Obama condemning BLM when Micah Johnson, who identified with BLM, killed 5 Dallas cops. In fact he invited them to the WH
Hypocrisy!!
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you say a lot of ridiculous things. blm aren't a terrorist organisation, but the kkk are.

jahseeus, it seems like you're trying to play the SS game of setting up some kinda "gotcha" moment where i admit to being pro-violence.
i've never pretended i don't suppport militant antifascism. ignoring nazis doesn't make them go away. that's the sort of complacency that has got the USA into this position, especially with regards to your "president".
i think communities should stand up to hateful mobs parading around with weapons and flaming torches, and i'm proud of all the comrades that do.
it's an old line, but my grandparents didn't vote for nazis (or "ignore" them) - they shot them.

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if we're picking sides, i'm with the cats with the spray can flame thrower, rather than the angry rednecks.
what about john oliver? i've not watched his show for ages.
 
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I'm not surprised that certain members are trying to make excuses for nazis and white supremacists. It is par for the course.

LiqMeth you are a disgrace to decent people everywhere. You are a nazi apologist, but that isn't the worst of your actions in this thread. Your worst, most deceitful action is to conflate locals protesting the invasion of their town by nazis with antifa. You love to trumpet how you are for transparency and truth, but you are opaque and intellectually dishonest.

Let us set your pigeonholing straight. The vast majority of people in the USA, and in the West, oppose fascism. They are anti-fascists. Someone who is anti-fascist or opposing fascism is not automatically a member of antifa.

Your conflation of anti-fascists and antifa members is blatant and intentional. You are trying to make peaceful protesters into violent thugs who deserve what they get. This is a technique utilized by fascists since before fascism was technically an ideology.

You are willing to sit at a table with nazis and white supremacists to hear what they have to say.

You are complicit with nazi ideology and white supremacy. Nazis and white supremacists have nothing to say that hasn't been said. They publicly state their positions in a painfully clear way.

No, I don't have to sit and listen to them spout their bullshit, and neither does anyone else. Getting a permit to protest has no bearing on others' ability to protest what they see as nightmarish indecency. Good people drown out this hate by being louder and larger in number. I know you aren't really an American, so I can't expect you to understand what liberty and justice entail in the USA. These nazis and will reap what they sow.
 
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