Stimulants Charge Withdrawal

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Even if it is less neurotoxic, I still feel MDPV just hasn't been around long enough for people to know about long-term effects, interactions with other drugs, etc. for it to be called "safe". I feel the same way about all new drugs.

I hope the OP is doing alright. She will feel a lot better after getting some rest.

more, make sure you're eating like you normally would and drinking lots of water. I recommend taking a multivitamin before you go to bed, just so your body has more vitamins to work with during the night recovering.

 

[skillz~4~thrillz]

^I agree.

I don't think anybody meant for there to be hard feelings. We're all trying to help the OP through her comedown and the after effects of what was most likely a mistake by using these bath salts and/or (possibly) MDPV.

It is always best to err on the side of caution when it comes to drugs and how people react to them. Pure MDPV or cut MDPV, it is still dangerous and should be treated with respect and approached with harm reduction methods in mind. That's the point of this forum and I personally think you're both doing a good job of promoting harm reduction.

Having a scale is important for measuring powders in general, but if the OP is having bad reactions or bad comedowns, she shouldn't be using MDPV at all.

I think it is in the OPs best interest to keep this discussion on topic, that is, assisting her with managing her comedown/after-effects of usage of Charge (which may or may not be cut MDPV, we don't know for sure what chemical is in Charge, if it is cut and if so what it is cut with).

The best harm reduction is to not use a research chemical such as MDPV because little is known about long-term adverse effects, interactions with other drugs, and things of the like.

thank you. this issue has been reported to the Senior MOD and another OD MOD. we will let them decide.

FOR THE RECORD.I am only talking about this statement.." i wouldn't sleep till the sack of mdpv is gone or my heart exploded".

 

[bickrick21]

thank you. this issue has been reported to the Senior MOD and another OD MOD. we will let them decide.

FOR THE RECORD.I am only talking about this statement.." i wouldn't sleep till the sack of mdpv is gone or my heart exploded".

lol you're still stuck on that statement? if people had sacks of pure mdpv instead of small vials of cut mdpv....do you know how many more horror stories we would have

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

lol you're still stuck on that statement? if people had sacks of pure mdpv instead of small vials of cut mdpv....do you know how many more horror stories we would have

It wouldn't matter. The whole point of harm reduction is to educate people to know how to safely use drugs if they choose to use them. I wouldn't personally not have people use MDPV until it is shown to be safer, but I know people are going to use it anyway.

So, the best thing I can do and if you ask me, that Bluelight can do, is educate people on how to use MDPV safely, which includes moderation and harm reduction measures taken, no matter what your stimulant experience or tolerance for MDPV/other stimulant RCs.

We need to stay positive for the sake of the OP, who is the whole reason we're having this conversation in the first place. I hope she is okay, and I know if she follows the steps we've suggested, she will.

 

[bickrick21]

It wouldn't matter. The whole point of harm reduction is to education people to know how to safely use drugs if they choose to use them. I wouldn't personally not have people use MDPV until it is shown to be safer, but I know people are going to use it anyway.

So, the best thing I can do and if you ask me, that Bluelight can do, is educate people on how to use MDPV safely, which includes moderation and harm reduction measures taken, no matter what your stimulant experience or tolerance for MDPV/other stimulant RCs.

We need to stay positive for the sake of the OP, who is the whole reason we're having this conversation in the first place. I hope she is okay, and I know if she follows the steps we've suggested, she will.

OP will be fine. i didn't know she was a girl btw lol. but no one should be doing anything that is mind altering without some research/background info...before i bought bath salts i read the addiction potential, side effects. etc. i was pretty sure it was mdpv but you can never be sure on the dose/ingredient so i shook i started slow. and OP in the future will probably be a lil more careful, i mean if it was her first time she made a mistake and she will know in the future. i've had some times when i did some dumb shit and i learned from them...like the first time i bought bath salt i redosed and redosed and even vaped it like an idiot. so a few months later when i decided to get some more i did it much slower. probably won't ever buy the pure PV unless i got some ppl to share it with because of how addiciting it can be, and with the endless supply "i probably wouldn't sleep till i finished the sack or my heart had exploded" and because of that i will buy it in small amounts.


OP how are you feeling? was the whole time you were high unenjoyable? just curious if you could give a breif review trip report, minus the crappy come down

 

[Pegasus]

^There are plenty of reports on the effects of MDPV, have a search around the site!

 

[bickrick21]

I know there are plenty of reports. erwoid is a site full of them too.

 

[amapola]

probably mdpv.

8)if he would have had it in pure form he would of been feeling even worse right now, that is if he was alive. i always buy the brand stuff so i don't binge because you get so much, for so cheap. i wouldn't sleep till the sack of mdpv is gone or my heart exploded

Hey skills~4~thrills,

I think bickrick was just talking about how he himself would probably do it all and wasn't recommending the action. In fact to me he was almost warning about how it can be habit forming with the heart exploding bit Still I suppose someone just skimming the thread could get the wrong idea so it's worthwhile to put disclaimers on your posts as tone is hard to convey over the internet.

Regarding research chemicals they are dangerous but at the very least you know what you are taking compared to brand name mixtures. Since the term Harm Reduction has been bolded so many times in this thread I'll mention it is worthwhile to warn people about the dangers of using certain drugs/preparations, but if they ask for information we should also give it to them rather than just tell them not to do it.

That being said it's hard to give accurate information for some of these random designer mixtures since we don't know what is in it or how strong it is. Wrong information is even worse than no information.

 

[skillz~4~thrillz]

my sincere apology

OP will be fine. i didn't know she was a girl btw lol. but no one should be doing anything that is mind altering without some research/background info...before i bought bath salts i read the addiction potential, side effects. etc. i was pretty sure it was mdpv but you can never be sure on the dose/ingredient so i shook i started slow. and OP in the future will probably be a lil more careful, i mean if it was her first time she made a mistake and she will know in the future. i've had some times when i did some dumb shit and i learned from them...like the first time i bought bath salt i redosed and redosed and even vaped it like an idiot. so a few months later when i decided to get some more i did it much slower. probably won't ever buy the pure PV unless i got some ppl to share it with because of how addiciting it can be, and with the endless supply "i probably wouldn't sleep till i finished the sack or my heart had exploded" and because of that i will buy it in small amounts.


OP how are you feeling? was the whole time you were high unenjoyable? just curious if you could give a breif review trip report, minus the crappy come down

I want to apologize to you. you are obviously going about your own use the proper way and trying to educate others with the facts you have come to know through dedication and hours of research. I applaud you and think that you will be a valuable asset to Bluelight and its community. I think we just misunderstood each other and ended up off topic. That is ENTIRELY my fault. I misread your post as saying that you would recommend finishing the bag and that your statement about your heart exploding was made in jest and not a warning. I am truly sorry. I get very caught up in trying to help people and I did not grow up with the internet-I feel very alienated to all of you who have a greater knowledge of the web and I think we can all agree that tone and intention can easily be misinterpreted bc we are only dealing with written texts and not vocal tones. I am always willing to admit that I am wrong-and I often am. I also apologize to everyone-especially the OP for getting this thread off topic. I have so much love to give and I worry so much about these new RCs and young people-please no one take that term as derogatory,I say it bc I feel like an old lady here sometimes. I never has the resources that are available to us all now and I am most definitely am guilty of getting caught up in my love and sincere desire to help others in situations that I have suffered through. I would not change anything. not even my initial post that addressed a statement that I took the wrong way bc I have learned from it and will be more careful in my reading of posts and in my trigger happy personality that tends to express my passions and opinions hastily and with out proper thought.
again-sorry to be off topic but it was important to me apologize to bickrick21,the OP,the MODs and all who read this.
Thank you for reading.
Much Peace and Love.....................skillz

 

[bickrick21]

We don't even know the true purity and actul chemical for sure were buying in 'pure' form. I see stuff in the legal subforum where they the company mislabeled/shipped wrong product. Always test the stuff first, if start really slow. And yes I meant me blowing up my heart in the post above. The stuff is fiendish and normally I have no problem with fiending/addiction, but this one I kinda do while I'm high

 

[skillz~4~thrillz]

Hey skills~4~thrills,

I think bickrick was just talking about how he himself would probably do it all and wasn't recommending the action. In fact to me he was almost warning about how it can be habit forming with the heart exploding bit Still I suppose someone just skimming the thread could get the wrong idea so it's worthwhile to put disclaimers on your posts as tone is hard to convey over the internet.

Regarding research chemicals they are dangerous but at the very least you know what you are taking compared to brand name mixtures. Since the term Harm Reduction has been bolded so many times in this thread I'll mention it is worthwhile to warn people about the dangers of using certain drugs/preparations, but if they ask for information we should also give it to them rather than just tell them not to do it.

That being said it's hard to give accurate information for some of these random designer mixtures since we don't know what is in it or how strong it is. Wrong information is even worse than no information.

i just realized this and apologized..i am truly sorry. Thank you for responding!!!
you guys have to remind me of how the web works...I am just an old lady trying to pay forward all the love,support and help that has so freely been given to me in this life. My heart is truly full.

Much peace and love..................skillz

 

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wow, so I just saw this. I dunno what to say.
I still can't sleep and am so not myself.

We don't even know the true purity and actul chemical for sure were buying in 'pure' form. I see stuff in the legal subforum where they the company mislabeled/shipped wrong product. Always test the stuff first, if start really slow. And yes I meant me blowing up my heart in the post above. The stuff is fiendish and normally I have no problem with fiending/addiction, but this one I kinda do while I'm high

so I realize your name has been crossed out, but your "didn't know she was a girl btw lol." comment made me kinda laugh.
but yeah, relating to charge, "fiendish" is a great word! I feel so miserable thinking about the horrible things I've done under this drug. I've caused myself physical illness and quite possibly mental/brain damage. I don't know how to cope. I don't know what the point is anymore if I'll never be normal again.

I have to go to school in a few hours and then attend my dad's birthday party. I don't know what to do. I just wanna lay in my bed and be whole again.

...and btw, the entire high was possibly the worst experience of my life up to date. intolerable anxiety for days, and now this.

speaking of which, I THINK the people I got the charge from changed their supplier. I heard the old stuff came from out of the US, but I don't know for sure. I've used charge several times before-- most recent being a bag on the 7th and a bag on the 11th. both times I found what i was expecting -- just that all around awesome, impossible to achieve again feeling. this has been completely different from that.

it's kinda weird though, because I only did two lines at first, then was going to wait till the next day to do the rest. I guess it makes me an addict that i couldn't hold myself back?

I want to apologize to you. you are obviously going about your own use the proper way and trying to educate others with the facts you have come to know through dedication and hours of research. I applaud you and think that you will be a valuable asset to Bluelight and its community. I think we just misunderstood each other and ended up off topic. That is ENTIRELY my fault. I misread your post as saying that you would recommend finishing the bag and that your statement about your heart exploding was made in jest and not a warning. I am truly sorry. I get very caught up in trying to help people and I did not grow up with the internet-I feel very alienated to all of you who have a greater knowledge of the web and I think we can all agree that tone and intention can easily be misinterpreted bc we are only dealing with written texts and not vocal tones. I am always willing to admit that I am wrong-and I often am. I also apologize to everyone-especially the OP for getting this thread off topic. I have so much love to give and I worry so much about these new RCs and young people-please no one take that term as derogatory,I say it bc I feel like an old lady here sometimes. I never has the resources that are available to us all now and I am most definitely am guilty of getting caught up in my love and sincere desire to help others in situations that I have suffered through. I would not change anything. not even my initial post that addressed a statement that I took the wrong way bc I have learned from it and will be more careful in my reading of posts and in my trigger happy personality that tends to express my passions and opinions hastily and with out proper thought.
again-sorry to be off topic but it was important to me apologize to bickrick21,the OP,the MODs and all who read this.
Thank you for reading.
Much Peace and Love.....................skillz

hey I think you're amazing! a part of me can't believe you and everyone else are still here listening to me and encouraging me to keep going. I think I can be particularly selfish and dependent in a sense, but now after using I feel like it's all I can be. I hate it, and I honestly don't know why you so sincerely put up with it.
I want to get better, be myself again or possibly just successful. I don't know... is success a measure of happiness?

can I really do this? I can't even manage to keep my eyes closed.

It wouldn't matter. The whole point of harm reduction is to educate people to know how to safely use drugs if they choose to use them. I wouldn't personally not have people use MDPV until it is shown to be safer, but I know people are going to use it anyway.

So, the best thing I can do and if you ask me, that Bluelight can do, is educate people on how to use MDPV safely, which includes moderation and harm reduction measures taken, no matter what your stimulant experience or tolerance for MDPV/other stimulant RCs.

We need to stay positive for the sake of the OP, who is the whole reason we're having this conversation in the first place. I hope she is okay, and I know if she follows the steps we've suggested, she will.

see, if I'd actually known this shit I don't think I'd even be here. before I did drugs I considered pot to be as hard as meth--forget amphetamines, I didn't know this shit even existed. since I started doing drugs (and I don't feel like I've really done anything), my mindset has been "I'll be back to normal in the end." whenever i got paranoid I could then take comfort in this fact after at least a day and continue on with my life... that's all fine and dandy until it isn't. I wish I'd really understood the power drugs have over you--both good and bad, instead of people always blacklisting and denying.

does that make sense? I think I'm starting to feel a little tired, so I'm going to try and sleep again. thanks for everything guys!

 

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I'm hoping this is because I'm really disorganized, but I swear I heard something a few minutes ago that wasn't there. Then I got all paranoid and started sweating like crazy. I think something similar happened on Saturday too. Fuck, I'm kinda really scared. I have an uncle who's schizophrenic. you don't think...?

EDIT: Okay, slow down. I'm okay. I need to stop this and sleep.

 

[amapola]

I don't use stims (besides caffeine) but if I've been up a long time or really short on sleep for a while I definitely start getting audio hallucinations. It seems in your edit you know what you need to do and are getting a handle on it . Good luck and as you mentioned before posting in TDS might be a good idea regarding long term depression, paranoia, and mental illness.

 

[more]

I don't use stims (besides caffeine) but if I've been up a long time or really short on sleep for a while I definitely start getting audio hallucinations. It seems in your edit you know what you need to do and are getting a handle on it . Good luck and as you mentioned before posting in TDS might be a good idea regarding long term depression, paranoia, and mental illness.

Okay, you are so right. I'm not hearing anything and this is just killing me. I'm going to be alright. =]

 

[Pegasus]

^Yep, you'll be fine. Don't worry about long-term effects on cognition, it is totally normal to feel a bit slow after a stimulant binge.

Also, you're not addicted to a stimulant because of compulsive re-dosing. MDPV in particular is known to cause people to lose control and re-dose to extreme levels. All stimulants have the fiendish quality you are describing to some degree... Don't feel bad that this happened... understand that it is the nature of the drug and learn from your experience!

I hope you feel better by the time you read this!