chances of getting a short term benzo script for alcohol withdrawals?

[Smiley91]

The way my doctor done it in the past was I had to get them in the chemist everyday so I couldn't take them all at once whilst drinking. But it's pretty shitty having to go to chemist everyday for 1 diazepam so if I want them now I tend to just do what MUSHET suggested.

 

[itsonlyme123]

Can you not source benzos elsewhere?

Good point. Buy some RC benzos off the internet, and have someone administer a decent amount to you each day. You don't really even need a taper(not great HR) and could just use them until you are over the DT's of booze. Source some antabuse as well maybe for 24 hours after your last drink.

 

[MUSHET]

Yeah, RC benzos or find a dealer who sells diazepam.

GP unnecessary, I think you'll find it a struggle. They really don't want to be prescribing them anymore.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

They may not want to, but they should be prepared for a a mad rush of appointments when peoples RC benzo stocks start running out post ban if they havent managed to complete their tapers as planned, or if something else happens, like an accidental loss of the RC stash, or even a police raid.

These are all things that could scupper RC benzo tapers and leave people very vulnerable.

If i had the means i would stash benzos in various places at various properties and storage facilties and other secret places.

Im sure I'll think of something just incase there is a police battering ram coming through my door at 5am one morning and my home gets torn apart by the police looking for RC former legal highs.

 

[Shambles]

(not great HR)

No, no it's not. My opinion and all that. Just ends up creating two addictions to deal with and probably several years added to the time it takes to finally unravel the mess that a combined benzo and alcohol addiction almost inevitably involves.

Alcoholism is treated pretty sensibly in this country in my experience. Most GPs will refer people to addiction specialists (usually a local DSP but will depend on the GP and the area). At the DSP I attend alcoholics are treated with either an "at-home" tapering schedule involving regular meetings with a keyworker and a tailored alcohol taper (this approach obviously requires willpower, determination and honesty with the keyworker) or general support whilst a place in inpatient detox and/or rehab is found and funded. This also requires a certain level of willpower, determination and honesty and does sometimes include a Librium script prior to the inpatient phase. Totally depends on the individual case though.

If somebody is at the stage they require this type of treatment they also need to be at the stage they are willing and able to accept this type of treatment. If it's just a case of wanting a few blues to fend of the shakes between benders treatment is obviously a lot more tricky and tends to be unsatisfactory. For better or for worse, there is an inherent "sink or swim" approach to addiction treatment in the UK in recent years. There seems to be far less concern about just leaving people to fend for themselves if they are not at the stage where they are willing and able to "play the game" and engage fully with the help that is certainly available for those that really want it. As far as "easy" scripts for the... "undecided" go - they are long gone in my experience.

I would strongly recommend speaking to either your GP or referring yourself directly to a local DSP if tackling alcohol addiction is what you want. In fact I'd recommend that approach even if still not sure quite what the long term goal is but do know the short term goal is to at least try to create a little breathing space to consider your options.

 

[da man]

if u have any drug history on your record then no chance, the chances are very very slim with out drug use on your record. Id be very surprised if u got it, getting any benzo script today is near on impossible, especially in our area

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Da man, im intesrested if you think that all the RC benzo addicts will just get the GPs/ DSPs doors slammed in their faces when their RC benzos run out? Some might still be on dangerously high doses, and will need treatment of some sort, or there could be quite some epidemic of withdrawal seizures and nervous breakdowns, people genarally loosing their minds through insomnia on top of the anxiety rebound from sudeny stopping benzos.

 

[Ceres]

Yeah that's right pregabalin does inhibit both substance P and also glucagon (IIRC), Also while it isn't actually a GABA agonist it appears to relieve withdrawals caused by gabergenic drugs like benzos and alcohol and helps with opiate withdrawl to a degree although mainly due to its anti anxiolitic effects. IME pregabalin, cloninidine and a long acting benzo such as diazepam seems to be the best combination of meds to combat opiate withdrawl short of introducing another opiate drug such as methadone, bupe, Ioperamide etc. IME introducing any opioid to combat opioid withdraw is totally counterproductive no matter what the drug as it's basically just going back on to opiates which while will temporarily help is just going backwards. It's a shame more isn't known about pregabalins actual mode of action as it's such a novel drug. Apparently not as safe as was first thought though and contrary to what is often claimed about it can magnify respiratory depression when incluhded in a cocktail of drugs.

I have heard of people combining it with heroin to potentiate the effects of heroin, and frequently ending up in hospital as a result.

Combining it with alcohol is a bad idea too.

I have been on pregabalin for about 4 years now, its an odd drug. It definately probably helped me stay off the booze in the early months after being detoxed in hospital, as it can feel mildly like the effects of alcohol.

THose suggesting RC benzos, or black market diazepam to the OP, are doing a disservice, - if you want to be detoxed off alcohol with benzos then ask your gp for a referral to a specialist that can do that for you in hospital, it only takes a few days to a week max, they will give you thiamine shots and generally make sure you are safe through the whole process, then give you a load of support afterwards.

 

[SmokingAces]

Da man, im intesrested if you think that all the RC benzo addicts will just get the GPs/ DSPs doors slammed in their faces when their RC benzos run out? Some might still be on dangerously high doses, and will need treatment of some sort, or there could be quite some epidemic of withdrawal seizures and nervous breakdowns, people genarally loosing their minds through insomnia on top of the anxiety rebound from sudeny stopping benzos.

It depends how you sell it to them probably. Say you've been "self medicating" and you might get some sympathy. Say "using" or "abusing" and they definitely won't want to. The very nature of the game now is they are extremely reluctant to prescribe benzo's at all unless your on deaths door as someone said. Even less so if you've been abusing ones they know nothing about.

 

[BigG]

I know my local DSP has a policy where they don't do benzo tapers full stop. They used to but don't anymore. They're fucking uncaring arse holes who I find it hard to have any confidence in after my brief encounter with them earlier in the year whilst going through the withdraw from hell from 180mg methadone. I wasn't asking for a substitute prescription just some help and support and since I tested negative for opiates (as you would if you'd had your gp painkiller script cut off and we're 2 weeks into wds) I was deemed ineligible for help. No thought about my individual circumstances, no flexibility just fuck off and shut the door on your way out. 20 years of very high dose prescription opiates to zero overnight and see ya later. Admittedly opiate wds aren't as potentially dangerous as benzos but I was still shocked at their uncaring attitude.

It will be very interesting when the ban comes in and there are a flood of people coming in with a dependency on 100+mg diazepam equivalent a day and a seizure waiting to happen.

I just hope other people's DSPs aren't as bad as mine turned out to do...... Left me very angry and bitter.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I know my local DSP has a policy where they don't do benzo tapers full stop. They used to but don't anymore. They're fucking uncaring arse holes who I find it hard to have any confidence in after my brief encounter with them earlier in the year whilst going through the withdraw from hell from 180mg methadone. I wasn't asking for a substitute prescription just some help and support and since I tested negative for opiates (as you would if you'd had your gp painkiller script cut off and we're 2 weeks into wds) I was deemed ineligible for help. No thought about my individual circumstances, no flexibility just fuck off and shut the door on your way out. 20 years of very high dose prescription opiates to zero overnight and see ya later. Admittedly opiate wds aren't as potentially dangerous as benzos but I was still shocked at their uncaring attitude.

It will be very interesting when the ban comes in and there are a flood of people coming in with a dependency on 100+mg diazepam equivalent a day and a seizure waiting to happen.

I just hope other people's DSPs aren't as bad as mine turned out to do...... Left me very angry and bitter.

But are you REALLY surprised mate? All of the so called 'key workers' I've had the misfortune to be under don't actually give a fuck about anything but their own performance revues, and are only doing that job as a stepping stone to future glory as a 'mental health care professional'. Sorry to sound to cynical, but that's the way I see it.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Has anyone else really abused alcohol and had no withdrawal symptoms, even when stopping cold turkey? I've never had any withdrawals, after the hangover, even when I was on 2-300 units a week. I was taking pregabalin, and a low dose of diazepam, throughout, but I have a feeling that some people just never get withdrawals from booze.

I'm prescribed diazepam, and have been for a good five years, and my doctor knows about my past with alcohol. It depends on the doctor that you see...

Yes. I was drinking between 750 - 1500ml of vodka daily for over two years. Every morning I would shit water several times and retch bile until I'd had a drink. But suddenly I stopped drinking for a week with no I'll effects other than a bit of shaky anxiety for 3 days. Felt fine after. Since then I've not drank anywhere near as much. It seems to me that the only redeeming feature of alcohol is that it is extremely difficult to attain a serious physical addiction - especially if you prefer other drugs instead.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Don't get me started on key workers. I got rid of one as shes awful this one is WORST. She wants to come to my house to check my medication box like I'm to be mistrusted. OK I'm not being completely honest with them but so what? I'm 35 not a child. I resent it. Is it possible to get rid of this key worker even tho I've just had her? She's going to be a bloody nightmare. Wish I'd kept the other one now at least she weren't obsessed with all these bloody "rules" they have to APPARENTLY obide by.

Evey

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Everyone bitches and whinges about their keyworkers, the nature of their job is to ask questions that make you feel uncomfortable, resentful, maybe even guilt for some. I'd be fucked if i was gonna let mine make me feel guilty for not sticking to some arbitary plan or schedule plucked out of the air. I spose to be fair, they do have a tough and thankless job, i dont think a majority of 'clients' succeed in quitting first time round. Every time you have to see the key worker it reminds you how much you are continuing to fail, i avoided mine like the plague for as long as possible, until she said i couldnt access any of their other services if i didnt book in regularly with her. I didnt get on particularly great with mine, but from what i heard other people saying about theirs i decided that i was probably better off with the devil i knew.

 

[da man]

Da man, im intesrested if you think that all the RC benzo addicts will just get the GPs/ DSPs doors slammed in their faces when their RC benzos run out? Some might still be on dangerously high doses, and will need treatment of some sort, or there could be quite some epidemic of withdrawal seizures and nervous breakdowns, people genarally loosing their minds through insomnia on top of the anxiety rebound from sudeny stopping benzos.

i think the majority of them will get shown the door as sad as that is. And some lucky ones may get short term scripts, but they will have to jump thru a shit load of hoops for it, and test posative in drug tests to prove they're dependent on benzo RCs. i know its ridiculous but its the truth i have friends who are benzo dependent. Hopefully things will change for the better. but from what ive experianced and heard the majority will get treated like a junky piece of shit and shown the door. Tho i could be wrong i hope i am

 

[headfuck123]

Posted this in the benzo thread and in OD but no reply yet so maybe someone on this thread can advice me...

What are the chances of getting a supervised benzo (diaz) script off the dr for a taper, im uk based (northern ire) and in my early 20's? Been on and off rc benzos for 3 years now, longest time off them being about 2 months id say then I slowly slip back into full blown dependency quite sporadically. I have plenty of rc benzos to taper with but every time I get down to around 0.5mg diclaz I start to struggle and end up going on a mini binge taking me weeks to get back to a lower dose, im sick of this seemingly never ending cycle!

I want benzos out of my life for good, they have caused me to isolate myself due to anxiety issues or being to fucked to give a shit about anything including uni work and maintaining healthy relationships. I think having the support of medical professionals behind me id be able to stick to the taper and wouldn't feel as secretive and dodgy as taking rc benzos and keeping it a secret from firends/family.

Whats the worst that could happen? Id be labelled a a druggy with addictive behaviours and risk not being prescribed certain medicines in future incase I abuse them and maybe be turned away completely? Im guessing my Dr hasn't a clue about rc benzos so maybe I should print off some info about them?

 

[headfuck123]

or not... seems every time i have a genuine question regarding harm reduction, its either ignored or overshadowed by some ignorant fukwit boasting about how they took loads of drugs and didnt die. Sometimes i really doubt the intentions of people on this forum. Are you here to dispense advice on harm reduction and help people get out of shitty drug induced situations or is this a place to just hang out, take drugs and chat bollix? fuck me!

 

[Sadie]

You may be labeled as a druggie or a drug seeker. You may have to go to meetings or regular appointments. I have little ( second hand ) experience in this area, I'm sorry,

BUT..... If someone does, it'd be nice for some input rather than drug boasting. Can we please give Headfuck some HR advice? If you have no advice to offer then posting in this thread is not worth while. Go to gibs or the fucked thread please. Should someone ask for advice and you have none, then there is no point in posting. I cannot advise on the specifics but I can offer advice to bring this back on topic in order to help some one who is asking for advice.

Any questions or just someone to talk to you feel free to pm me HF. Best of luck. I do have several contacts that could advise me to help advise you I also know of far too many interactions with doctors on varying degrees with other people. I can give you possible scenarios but alas no one can tell you what you're going to get with any given doctor.

xxx

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Posted this in the benzo thread and in OD but no reply yet so maybe someone on this thread can advice me...

What are the chances of getting a supervised benzo (diaz) script off the dr for a taper, im uk based (northern ire) and in my early 20's? Been on and off rc benzos for 3 years now, longest time off them being about 2 months id say then I slowly slip back into full blown dependency quite sporadically. I have plenty of rc benzos to taper with but every time I get down to around 0.5mg diclaz I start to struggle and end up going on a mini binge taking me weeks to get back to a lower dose, im sick of this seemingly never ending cycle!

I want benzos out of my life for good, they have caused me to isolate myself due to anxiety issues or being to fucked to give a shit about anything including uni work and maintaining healthy relationships. I think having the support of medical professionals behind me id be able to stick to the taper and wouldn't feel as secretive and dodgy as taking rc benzos and keeping it a secret from firends/family.

Whats the worst that could happen? Id be labelled a a druggy with addictive behaviours and risk not being prescribed certain medicines in future incase I abuse them and maybe be turned away completely? Im guessing my Dr hasn't a clue about rc benzos so maybe I should print off some info about them?

sometimes it takes days to get a response, if you get 1 at all, your question is essentially the same as evryone else who is asking the same question in this thread. Ive been asking myself the same questions. Im not very confident GPs will help, and if im still working daily pickups would be a major ballache (but a wortwhile one). It'd probablyhelp to be on diaz to get off that last 0.5mg of diaz, as 1mg of diaz = roughly 6 mg of diclaz, so you'd be able to taper much lower with diaz.

 

[headfuck123]

You may be labeled as a druggie or a drug seeker. You may have to go to meetings or regular appointments. I have little ( second hand ) experience in this area, I'm sorry,

BUT..... If someone does, it'd be nice for some input rather than drug boasting. Can we please give Headfuck some HR advice? If you have no advice to offer then posting in this thread is not worth while. Go to gibs or the fucked thread please. Should someone ask for advice and you have none, then there is no point in posting. I cannot advise on the specifics but I can offer advice to bring this back on topic in order to help some one who is asking for advice.

Any questions or just someone to talk to you feel free to pm me HF. Best of luck. I do have several contacts that could advise me to help advise you I also know of far too many interactions with doctors on varying degrees with other people. I can give you possible scenarios but alas no one can tell you what you're going to get with any given doctor.

xxx

Thanks mate! Say I bring in literature about diclazepam and etizolam, tell them iv been having trouble with them for years, started self medicating for anxiety but i'm now trapped in benzo land and want out. I would be shocked if they shrugged me off as a drug seeker. I suppose anyone that goes to their gp is seeking some sort of drug be it intoxicating or not. All id need is a box of 2mg diazepam for the end of the taper and if i have to go the the pharmacy to do a daily pick up, so be it!