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Skl to me..if you call for an end to the jewish state you are anti semetic. Its cool, we agree to disagree there. Id still share a joint or something with you.
 
Well you are projecting...i was talkin to skl. ��

Haha, my apologies.

I'm a strong opponent of Israel, and support boycott, divestment and international sanctions - yet i have a lot of respect for the jewish people.
The idea that anti-zionism is anti-semitism is an oversimplified piece of wedge politics from the zionist lobby.
 
If you invested half the time lamblasting the despotic Arab rulers you might have a case but......its the judiasm that bothers you with israel.
 
despotism is natural.
zionism is a botched decolonization.
of which there are many.
and among which it's not very special
except that "jews equals news ..."
(a reliable formula for anti- and philo-Semite alike)
and the whacko Christian Zionists, too
what with the stranglehold on U.S. politics
and hegemony in financial affairs like, everywhere West of the Jordan

did anyone read the poem I wrote for the 99th anniversary of balfour?
 
> win by terrorism
> (oh and not to mention Western manipulation and funding)
> complain about terrorism

although that shoe fits quite a lot more people than just Israelis

the really malign thing as an American is the stranglehold Israel has on our domestic politics though

French, Australians, Canadians, and various others could say the same
 
Well, to be strictly speaking, I'm talking about Lehi and Irgun until 1948 against the Brits; sometime before then I think the proper term becomes be "ethnic cleansing," followed by a rather unpredictably successful military defeat of the predictable reaction to said ethnic cleansing.
 
Personally, I like Jews. Not the religion but its better than Christianity in that it has less practitioners.

Plus some great tunes from Israel. Infected Mushroom are a favoirte of mine. I disagree with the state of Israel, I think their lebensraum should have come from Germany. Palestinian people don't deserve this and I disagree with land claims based on thousand year old fiction. Still, the Christians hunted the Jews ceaselessly across the planet- I totally understand the ferocity with which they defend themselves. I'd do it if I was blamed for killing a work of fiction.

SKL, I commend you for being the most pleasant neo Nazi I know :D (social thread, just teasing)

Thoughts on eco fascism? I'm interested in the deep ecology movement myself.
 
K, well those things happen in war. Israel isnt a terrorist state because of that anymore than us is a slave holding state because the british and spanish had em during the founding days.
 
You realize there are plenty of jews from israel that have always been there. Called sabra jews. Another huge number come from yemen, iraq, iran, and other places they were chased out of. Jews dont deserve it and have equally valid claims to the land. Perspective.

Personally, I like Jews. Not the religion but its better than Christianity in that it has less practitioners.

Plus some great tunes from Israel. Infected Mushroom are a favoirte of mine. I disagree with the state of Israel, I think their lebensraum should have come from Germany. Palestinian people don't deserve this and I disagree with land claims based on thousand year old fiction. Still, the Christians hunted the Jews ceaselessly across the planet- I totally understand the ferocity with which they defend themselves. I'd do it if I was blamed for killing a work of fiction.

SKL, I commend you for being the most pleasant neo Nazi I know :D (social thread, just teasing)

Thoughts on eco fascism? I'm interested in the deep ecology movement myself.
 
The "those things happen during war" defense got a lot of good patriotic Germans hung in Nuremberg IIRC.

But no, the current ethno-state of Israel is a chauvanistic ethno-state, and I could get over that, if various non-Jewish groups were allowed to have our own, without being mercillesly attacked as ethnic chauvanists, just for looking out for our own (which I don't see as a problem) ... but, showing an essential and revealing hypocrisy, it's often liberal intellectual Jews who are on the forefront of crying for things like more porous borders for the U.S. and Europe, while not admitting a single goy into their own safe space. That's some bullshit and you know it. That shit really pisses me off. Have your cake, or eat it, yeah, that expression never made sense in the first place. Every where a double-standard.

Have you read either Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion or Kenneth MacDonald's Culture of Critique? (Concepts from both of which I draw up on in this post ...) It's the double standard that pisses me off. If I'm a White nationalist, that's troubling and I almost certainly am at least passively monitored at a level above the normal person wherever I go. If you're a Zionist, i.e. a Jewish nationalist, you can get a passport! And you can call anyone who has a problem with that an anti-Semite!
 
Damn right, mgs, there were a bunch of Jews in Palestine before Palestinian Zionism was a political phenomenon. And they got along just fine with their neighbors, Muslim, Christian and Secular, until one of the groups decided to really, really push their luck, despite the best efforts of the British, who eventually just, with shit morale on the home front, all the boys tired from, you know, beating Hitler, and a growing anti-imperialist sentiment, left their toys and stopped playing the game, letting the Jewish terrorists run amok and become the IDF. Let's not forget what some of Israel's prime ministers were up to during this time period and not long thereafter, from the overtly fascistic Begin to the bloodthirsty warlord Sharon (to even whom Begin [an explicit admirer of Hitler, at least pre-1941 or so] was too extreme) the supposedly dovish Rabin.
 
K, well those things happen in war. Israel isnt a terrorist state because of that anymore than us is a slave holding state because the british and spanish had em during the founding days.

I disagree - this bombing was one of the earliest instances of terrorism as we know it today.
Israel is a terrorist state because it engages in warcrimes, illegal occupation and violence against the civilian population as a means of control. Their history in the global community is one of extreme hubris, based upon their cozy relationship with another rogue state, erm, superpower.
Obviously this is my opinion - but i don't blame jews for israel, in the same way i don't blame individual americans (or russians, brits, saudis etc etc) for the actions of their respective militaries. By the same token, I don't blame abdul who runs the local halal grocery store for 9/11, as horrific as all these things are.
Religious fundamentalism is deeply problematic, regardless of the belief system that underlies it.
Likewise, the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex and so on. If our leaders were not so heavily invested (in multiple sense of the word) in perpetual war, the world would not be in such a mess; the more power gained by the oligarchs, the more concerned i am at this pattern generally.

I make a point of differentiating between "jews" and israel/zionism - for various reasons, not least of which is the amount of jewish people who are vocally opposed to the occupation.
To my mind, judaism is not the problem - zionism is.
 
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^^ I think it was swilow gave me a little hit for using too much French but there's an expression, esprit d'escalier, that just cries out to be used there.

(anyhoo anyone over 16 years old who marks by pot smoking (or, heaven forefend, "cannabis culture") a major part of their personality I'm going to assume badly about their social and intellectual capacities until proven otherwise. maybe that makes me a dick, but it's just, you know, IME most adult's who smoke pot don't go out of their way to be all fuck, yeah, 420 blaze it. I hate the fucking drug but far less than I hate it's particular brand of partisans. LOL. between bong rips you're on the politically illiterate side so, really, go home and, fuck yeah, 420, blaze it, that was super edgy, like, when Dr Dre came out with The Chronic or when proposition whatever out west started fucking up the economics of pot distribution, fuck that; pot was all good and fun when I was like 15 and enjoyed running from the cops and then looking at that particular way the colors refracted through the frozen trees ...

as a matter of fact, the latter's still pretty damn cool, but now that horrible shit (the plant, that is) just makes me paranoid; it's grown, or supposedly grown, people who get behind it as a culture that I don't really understand, or, maybe you're not grown, but your avatar somehow says 21+. not that that, apparently, is grown these days, because I guess a bunch of 21yos enjoy hitting bongs and playing video games and shit these days whereas ... idk, I'm not entirely sure you're over fourteen ... or what is a 14yo these days vs a 21yo when I was 14 anyway, mgs, can you tell me? I'm pretty sure we're within 6-18 max months of one another.

***before anyone gets too serious any really offensive trolling is in all good holiday cheer because it's the social thread and I'm drunk, but come on, seriously, make a better effort around here; your political dialectic is pretty weak, that, and my propensity for longwinded exposition, asides, and tangentiality, is probably why you don't read 95% of what I have to say by your admission but thought a meme-drop of "triggered' would the lulz ... 420 blaze it, dudemanbro, or whatever; but there's certain things a person does when they want to be taken seriously and putting a picture of a marijuana plant next to what they have to say generally isn't one of them.)
 
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[if the foregoing post made no sense the key words were i'm drunk but I'd like to think there was a point to be made ;)]
 
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