Children don't know the difference and monkey see, monkey do has a much greater influence on their behaviour. This has no place being taught in a public school, let alone to 5-7 year olds. That is a nanny state. I'd only support it, if the kids were taught the toxic womb theory, developmental hormone cascades and an increased incidence of lesbianism if congenital adrenal hyperplasia is not treated prenatally.
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Children don't know the difference and monkey see, monkey do has a much greater influence on their behaviour. This has no place being taught in a public school, let alone to 5-7 year olds. That is a nanny state. I'd only support it, if the kids were taught the toxic womb theory, developmental hormone cascades and an increased incidence of lesbianism if congenital adrenal hyperplasia is not treated prenatally.
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And what are you worried that the "monkey" will do?
The lesson will probably be something along the lines of "sometimes kids have two mommies or daddies and that's okay". Doesn't seem to be a bad lesson.
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Paha, yeah. Whether it's propaganda or not, whatever it is, it isn't anything worth mentioning as a contributing factor to an argument.
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So let me get something straight. You want to segregate a group of thought because it is against your teachings? So if you were to say, "I don't like black people in the same class as my students" would be the same, no? Did allowing black children in the same atmosphere as white children end racism? No, the parents still played a huge part in keeping it alive. So don't worry if your children are subjected to progressive and harmless thought, because your irrational hatred (or dislike) will still be passed on, hopefully though they'll have a black or gay friend. Or both.
play daddies and daddies, because it is "normal" or whatever they've been told.
A lesson that their parents can teach them when and how they like. Education is not social engineering or ideological indoctrination. I'd rather children learned about same-sex adoption the way I did, by reading studies on the issue, the only consideration is the outcome for the child involved, how gay people feel about it is irrelevant.
We don't know what they will be teaching, but I can just see the hard-line PC police pushing the agenda further and further at any "syllabus" type meetings, it's never enough with the changing list of "offensive" words and all.
5-7 year olds would barely notice that another kid has two mothers or fathers, let alone draw any conclusions from there. Why make an issue out of it unnecessarily?
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Scientists Under Attack ~ A Genetically Modified Foods Documentary Trailer
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One more time... teaching that gay sex is good and normal in a classroom setting is wrong unless both sides of the issue has the opportunity. This is a moral issue best taught at home for most who are against it... but thats not the only problem.
Doctors Say Legalizing [teaching] Same-Sex Marriage Will Give False Impression Gay Sex is Safe
The legalization of same-sex marriage has pushed several doctors to begin speaking out on the harmful medical consequences of homosexual sex. In addition to the group of physicians who presented their findings to Parliament in a referenced brief last week (see LifeSiteNews.com coverage Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ a Health Risk Doctors Warn Parliamentarians | LifeSiteNews.com ), two other doctors have approached LifeSiteNews.com to submit evidence but requested anonymity based on fear of retribution from homosexual activists. The doctors noted that they are concerned for individuals practicing dangerous homosexual sex practices but also for society in that the normalization of such sex practices through same sex ‘marriage’ legislation will result in a major added burden on health care. “Legalization of same sex marriage by the government would give the false message that homosexual sex practices, such as anal intercourse, as long as ‘practiced safely’, are not endangering the health of the partners,” said Dr. C. Providing rather explicit details which she felt the public must be aware of, she explained, “Anal intercourse causes abrasions of the relatively fragile rectal wall, especially in the receptive partner. The penetration of E.coli, always present in the stool, and other bacteria, viruses and parasites penetrate through such lesions into the deeper body tissues. This leads to the suppression of the immune system of such individuals even if there is no exposure to HIV. The immune suppression increases the risk to develop certain cancers, opportunistic infections, to which otherwise one would be resistant, and other health problems including the risk of premature death.” Information on the health risks of gay sex is available from the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA). A survey by members of the GLMA released in August 2002 listed the main health problems affecting homosexual men. According to Christopher E. Harris, MD, GLMA President and Vincent M.B. Silenzio, MD, MPH, there are increased health risks for homosexual men. The most common health problems in homosexual men are: 1. Increased incidence of infectious diseases - HIV/AIDS* - syphilis - gonorrhea - chlamydia - pubic lice - hepatitis A - hepatitis B - hepatitis C - anal papilloma 2. Increased incidence of cancer especially - colon/rectal - prostate - testicular 3. Increased incidence of eating disorders - bulimia - anorexia nervosa - obesity 4. Increased incidences of other psychological problems - anxiety - depression - suicide 5. Increased incidence of addiction problems especially - tobacco - alcohol - street drugs - amyl nitrates (poppers) See also Physician Says Science of Medical Consequences of Homosexual Behaviour is Being Trumped by Political Agenda Physician Says Science of Medical Consequences of Homosexual Behaviour is Being Trumped by Political Agenda | LifeSiteNews.com The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality Family Research Council
A group of physicians has presented to Canadian Parliamentarians scientific evidence that homosexual marriage is a health risk to Canadians. The heavily referenced brief titled “Gay Marriage and Homosexuality, Some Medical Comments” warns that the new law will result in the further normalization of homosexual sex which has already resulted in severe health risks and related costs to care for and treat persons affected by risky sexual behaviour. The document, signed by doctors in different disciplines from family medicine, dermatology and neurology, warns that anal sex as practiced by most gay men, has a large number of diseases associated with it, “many of which are rare or even unknown in the heterosexual population” such as: anal cancer, Chlamydia trachomatis, Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia, Herpes simplex virus, HIV, Human papilloma virus, Isospora belli, Microsporidia, Gonorrhoea, Syphilis, Hepatitis B and C and others. Doctors who spoke with LifeSiteNews.com also warn that this dangerous sexual practice has spread to the heterosexual community as well. “There is a significant increase in the risk of contracting HIV when engaging in anal sex,” the paper warns. It cites studies indicating that “Young homosexual men aged 15-22, who had anal sex had a fivefold increased risk of contracting HIV over those who never engaged in anal sex.” The brief notes also that “Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 were in homosexual men (13,019 out of 19,238).” The brief warns “Any attempts to legalise gay marriage should be aware of the link between homosexuality and pedophilia. While the majority of homosexuals are not involved in pedophilia, it is of grave concern that there is a disproportionately greater number of homosexuals among pedophiles and an overlap between the gay movement and the movement to make pedophilia acceptable.” The doctors cite the Journal of Homosexuality in demonstrating an overlap between the homosexual activist movement and the promoters of pedophilia. Moreover, the paper references studies showing that while “the number of homosexuals in essentially all surveys is less than 3%,”“the percentage of homosexuals among pedophiles is 25%.” It concludes: “Therefore, the prevalence of pedophilia among homosexuals is about 10-25 times higher than one would expect if the proportion of pedophiles were evenly distributed within the (hetero- and homosexual) populations.” The authors of the report are John Shea,MD, FRCP (C), Radiologist; John K. Wilson MD, FRCP (C), Cardiologist; Paul Ranalli MD, FRCP (C), Neurologist; Christina Paulaitis MD, CCFP, Family Physician; Luigi Castagna MD, FRCP (C), Paediatric Neurologist; Hans-Christian Raabe MD, MRCP MRCGP Internist; W. André Lafrance MD, FRCP (C), Dermatologist See the complete report at http://www.lifesite.net/features/mar...D_evidence.htm and http://www.lifesite.net/features/mar...D_evidence.pdf
I'm not willing to have my tax dollars used for teaching any grade schoolers about gay sex... if they teach it in HS or college... it's only fair for both sides of the issue be presented...
Doctors Say Legalizing [teaching] Same-Sex Marriage Will Give False Impression Gay Sex is Safe
The legalization of same-sex marriage has pushed several doctors to begin speaking out on the harmful medical consequences of homosexual sex. In addition to the group of physicians who presented their findings to Parliament in a referenced brief last week (see LifeSiteNews.com coverage Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ a Health Risk Doctors Warn Parliamentarians | LifeSiteNews.com ), two other doctors have approached LifeSiteNews.com to submit evidence but requested anonymity based on fear of retribution from homosexual activists. The doctors noted that they are concerned for individuals practicing dangerous homosexual sex practices but also for society in that the normalization of such sex practices through same sex ‘marriage’ legislation will result in a major added burden on health care. “Legalization of same sex marriage by the government would give the false message that homosexual sex practices, such as anal intercourse, as long as ‘practiced safely’, are not endangering the health of the partners,” said Dr. C. Providing rather explicit details which she felt the public must be aware of, she explained, “Anal intercourse causes abrasions of the relatively fragile rectal wall, especially in the receptive partner. The penetration of E.coli, always present in the stool, and other bacteria, viruses and parasites penetrate through such lesions into the deeper body tissues. This leads to the suppression of the immune system of such individuals even if there is no exposure to HIV. The immune suppression increases the risk to develop certain cancers, opportunistic infections, to which otherwise one would be resistant, and other health problems including the risk of premature death.” Information on the health risks of gay sex is available from the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA). A survey by members of the GLMA released in August 2002 listed the main health problems affecting homosexual men. According to Christopher E. Harris, MD, GLMA President and Vincent M.B. Silenzio, MD, MPH, there are increased health risks for homosexual men. The most common health problems in homosexual men are: 1. Increased incidence of infectious diseases - HIV/AIDS* - syphilis - gonorrhea - chlamydia - pubic lice - hepatitis A - hepatitis B - hepatitis C - anal papilloma 2. Increased incidence of cancer especially - colon/rectal - prostate - testicular 3. Increased incidence of eating disorders - bulimia - anorexia nervosa - obesity 4. Increased incidences of other psychological problems - anxiety - depression - suicide 5. Increased incidence of addiction problems especially - tobacco - alcohol - street drugs - amyl nitrates (poppers) See also Physician Says Science of Medical Consequences of Homosexual Behaviour is Being Trumped by Political Agenda Physician Says Science of Medical Consequences of Homosexual Behaviour is Being Trumped by Political Agenda | LifeSiteNews.com The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality Family Research Council
A group of physicians has presented to Canadian Parliamentarians scientific evidence that homosexual marriage is a health risk to Canadians. The heavily referenced brief titled “Gay Marriage and Homosexuality, Some Medical Comments” warns that the new law will result in the further normalization of homosexual sex which has already resulted in severe health risks and related costs to care for and treat persons affected by risky sexual behaviour. The document, signed by doctors in different disciplines from family medicine, dermatology and neurology, warns that anal sex as practiced by most gay men, has a large number of diseases associated with it, “many of which are rare or even unknown in the heterosexual population” such as: anal cancer, Chlamydia trachomatis, Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia, Herpes simplex virus, HIV, Human papilloma virus, Isospora belli, Microsporidia, Gonorrhoea, Syphilis, Hepatitis B and C and others. Doctors who spoke with LifeSiteNews.com also warn that this dangerous sexual practice has spread to the heterosexual community as well. “There is a significant increase in the risk of contracting HIV when engaging in anal sex,” the paper warns. It cites studies indicating that “Young homosexual men aged 15-22, who had anal sex had a fivefold increased risk of contracting HIV over those who never engaged in anal sex.” The brief notes also that “Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 were in homosexual men (13,019 out of 19,238).” The brief warns “Any attempts to legalise gay marriage should be aware of the link between homosexuality and pedophilia. While the majority of homosexuals are not involved in pedophilia, it is of grave concern that there is a disproportionately greater number of homosexuals among pedophiles and an overlap between the gay movement and the movement to make pedophilia acceptable.” The doctors cite the Journal of Homosexuality in demonstrating an overlap between the homosexual activist movement and the promoters of pedophilia. Moreover, the paper references studies showing that while “the number of homosexuals in essentially all surveys is less than 3%,”“the percentage of homosexuals among pedophiles is 25%.” It concludes: “Therefore, the prevalence of pedophilia among homosexuals is about 10-25 times higher than one would expect if the proportion of pedophiles were evenly distributed within the (hetero- and homosexual) populations.” The authors of the report are John Shea,MD, FRCP (C), Radiologist; John K. Wilson MD, FRCP (C), Cardiologist; Paul Ranalli MD, FRCP (C), Neurologist; Christina Paulaitis MD, CCFP, Family Physician; Luigi Castagna MD, FRCP (C), Paediatric Neurologist; Hans-Christian Raabe MD, MRCP MRCGP Internist; W. André Lafrance MD, FRCP (C), Dermatologist See the complete report at http://www.lifesite.net/features/mar...D_evidence.htm and http://www.lifesite.net/features/mar...D_evidence.pdf
I'm not willing to have my tax dollars used for teaching any grade schoolers about gay sex... if they teach it in HS or college... it's only fair for both sides of the issue be presented...
qwe
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you're on a god damn harm reduction site, man. do you see the irony?
care to address my response in the nsfw tags, directly?
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Why should both sides of the issue have equal opportunity?
We don't let a bunch of young earthers come into science class and teach that the earth is 6,000 years old.
And heck, at least the young earthers are only arguing dates. What about the kid with gay parents? Should we really let someone come into his class and tell him that his parents are engaging in an abomination against nature?
Shouldn't we discourage hate in schools?
Er, as a doctor, shouldn't she know that anal sex is practiced by heterosexual as well as homosexual couples, and that not all homosexual couples engage in anal sex?
Well, I'm pretty sure that denying them equal protection under the law and condemning their biological urges is the way to reduce anxiety, depression and suicide in homosexual individuals.
See above.
Studies like this makes me worry about homophobes.
I really do.
Its like claiming a farmer that buggers his ewe is heterosexual. Yes, by the most literal definition of "heterosexual", this is true. But I'm pretty sure most people will agree, when livestock gives you wood, you're in an entirely different category.
Nobody would argue that if you promote opposite-sex relationships, you're increasing the risk to sheep. That's because people, straight or gay, know that despite how attractive women might look like to a heterosexual guy, sheep tend to be off the sexual radar entirely.
So why assume that adults who are attracted to post-pubescent members of a gender are equally as attracted to prepubescent members of that gender? It's not normal to think that way. It worries me. People tend not to start thinking lusty thoughts about every cute five year old they see. At least, most people do not. Pedophiles do. I worry that homophobes do as well.
qwe
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this. education is the key to bettering our society, partly because of the generation gap.
i don't want to indoctrinate kids, or send any messages of hate (in fact i don't want standardized tests, i want teachers to have more latitude). school is where we, as a society, have an opportunity to make a positive impression on a generation, and that impression will last the rest of their lives.
so when we're talking about hate speech in school (whether you think it's "scientifically backed up" (LOL) or not, it's speech that makes a lot of people feel really fucking bad, and leads to suicides) it's definitely an important issue.
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Not really, it just leads to where we've been before... Harm reduction works both ways... I want my kids to know the harm that can result by experimenting with gay sex... Gays would like nothing better than to desensitize young kids into thinking their lifestyle is normal and mainstream... and worthy of giving it a try. No shortage of gays ready and willing to do the 'hands on' teahcing.
The Gay Report, published by homosexual researchers Jay and Young revealed that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19 years of age or younger
The health risks alone are enough reason to teach against gay lifestyle yet most are willing to just leave it out of the schools. Look at all the young kids [many straight] who sell their bodies to make money because they were taught this kind of stuff was OK. But this should be a non issue. The govt require parents teach their kids to practice prayer outside of school so the same should happen with this. Politicians won't touch this because they will be labeled a bigot. phobe, and hate monger.
I don't know anyone who advocates or teaches people to hate gays or any other group... Our church teaches to respect them and their privacy as you would anyone else.
It's so predictable how libs twist an arguement to the extemes of controversial issues. So if you don't want pro gay lifestyle taught in schools... you teach the statistics and consequences of the young gay way of life. Of course we should discourage hate in schools. You go into an intercity school and teach this and and you'll see some real hate in action.
Once again... No one is teaching to hate gays in churches/synagogues or schools... just leave the subject to parents and caretakers... like we do with religion. If this spreads in schools it can easily lead to your allegations of hate and much further division in this country. You can't force schools to teach children something morally different than taught by parents. This is a perfect example of govt sticking their noses into places where they don't belong.
Come on lets get real we all know gay men primarily use oral and most often anal sex acts. The options of body orifices are limited for homosexuals for pleasure. Straight men have the 3rd option which for most of us... is the most desirable. Because when done right... it gives the woman much pleasure too
Here we go again with the hate and bigot name calling... it gets old. Their are extemists on the fringes of every issues. According to your line of thought all fundamentalist Christians, Jews, and Muslims in america are bigot homophobes.
The main n this "westboro baptist church" get all this media attention and exposure is because they are so much the opposite of how most all religious institutions approach gay issues.
What you believe is better is not the same as the majority of others.
Yes if we're going to have free speech in schools... then lets really have it all the way. Otherwise, leave it to the districts to decide. This why we need:
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, teaches us how frail and tormentingly slow evolution is.
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And this is another example of attacking the messenger and diverting from the issue. I suggest you go read Ruba Dub Dub 3 Men in a Tub. That should bring your evolutional status even more up to date.... and probably an enjoyable read for you.
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I'm not attacking you, it is your fault, but I don't blame you. You're caught in an ideological snare and you're irrationally fearful of your outside world as you try to hold on to the world you knew. A racist, bigoted, exclusive society. There isn't any issue, just your irrationality manifested as someone preys on it.
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Why is it pro-gay to teach that some people are gay and that's okay.
If a new student joins the class whose parents are Hindus, and the teacher says that there's nothing wrong with that, is the teacher being pro-Hindu?
But for engaging in risky behavior, should teachers apply this to other habits? If a student's mother rides a motorcycle (clearly far more dangerous than driving an automobile), should the teacher state that adults choosing to ride a motorcycle are doing something wrong?
qwe
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you're an extremist, and you're xenophobic. this "ad hom" isn't a logical fallacy like ad hominems usually are... it's the truth.
we could address your facts with our facts, but the meaning/interpretation/model would not be conveyed. which is why the xenophobic extremism is relevant to the debate.
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Police arrest man INSIDE his house for taking cell phone video of traffic stop
"There are police who use the badge to bully, and I believe that's who I met."
Source:
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Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4igdFu-j8&feature=player_embedded
"There are police who use the badge to bully, and I believe that's who I met."
Source:
http://www.informationliberation.co...nno1'><img src='/sm/mqetanit.gif' alt='shit'>
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4igdFu-j8&feature=player_embedded