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Carlos Castaneda:A Question that Bothers me.

enigmaticfreak

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Was he born in Peru? Yes. Was English his 2nd language? I believe so, but I ask you this, as good as a writer as he is do you think he would be an even better writer had he been born in America and had English as his first language, can he inherently learn and speak English as good as someone who is born into it? And for him to be with Don Juan wouldn't he have to constantly be changing the meanings of words, as I heard when you translate you lose 20% of original meaning. I love his books and will always read them, just thought of this.
 
^weird

i feel like that 20% must be a variable...but i guess that why its bothersome. the responses to this should be pretty interesting. haha .i had to say something this is so interesting.
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I'm not interested in that. I think what he is teaching is truly great stuff. And it has never been proven that i's fraudulent, he claims it's all true.
 
Yes I guess it's quite interesting. Have you read all of his works?

no i havent, but this subject i can get pretty, passionate about. i agree in a social-context, and i feel with all the slang we have in NA especially, we are further segregated, or rather we segregate ourselves more this way. much of the meanings/origin of the words our family before would use, are also lost this way, to extents but it adds up.
 
Do you feel that he speaks and writes English fluently? I heard him in a radio interview and he sounded like a foreigner. He spoke good English but he had an accent.
 
I think the fact that the books could possibly be fraudulent is important if you want to take it seriously although I do think the books were filled with concepts, ideals, values, and teachings about life that were great regardless of being fake.. but all of those concepts and values that he taught in the book were not original to him, Juan Matus, or the Yaqui indians. I've heard those same concepts and similar stories/tales of power in other scriptures of other religions and native american cultures.In my opinion, it seems that Carlos "borrowed" a lot of these things from various other tribes and ancient religions but compiled them into this book series with fictional characters and events.. but this doesn't mean those concepts don't ring true or aren't helpful to people.

I think that his English writing is good (which is normally the case with foreigners.. it is much easier to write with proper grammar than to speak it.. not to mention he had editors to help with this anyway). I can site specific examples of which concepts from which books he borrowed from other peoples if you would like.
 
^Most spiritual/occult/mystical practises are as old as the hills. He wasn't presenting the Don Juan stories as original; thats the whole context of the stories. They are meant to be ancient teachings being passes along in a modern world.

But I do agree that the truth of his works is important. It seems pointless to discuss the quality of his English language when what he wrote is of a deceptive quality.

I'm not interested in that. I think what he is teaching is truly great stuff. And it has never been proven that i's fraudulent, he claims it's all true.

In truth, theres very little doubt that the stories are largely untrue. Anyone who has read the Don Juan series can see that Don Juan completely changes as the books go on, plus the various temporal mistakes are too many to simply be bad editing. Thatgl said, I don't know how Castaneda made such errors as they are so bleedingly obvious; its like he wasn't making any effort in terms of pulling of a good con, or he honestly believed the truth of what he was writing- or it was all true. I think that he does have some good ideas, and the stories are interesting, but its tarnished by being false and, in many ways, very self referencial and mundane. For me, the initial interest was born from the fact that these were 'genuine' shamanic teachings, so the discrepancies in the writing really turned me off. Perhaps if he'd written the stories as a kind of parable then it would be more important to me personally. I've always liked the idea that Castaneda was trying to conceal the truth of himself as a means to spirtitual elevation, and did so with confusion and misrepresentation but thats a kind of childish view. If he had avoided the commune/cult life that he seemed to pursue, I feel he would have had more credibility. There is something odd about the fact that several of his 'friends' vanished in 1998, with one person being found dead half a decade later. Who knows what happened?

Myself, I think the stories are a front for something different. The stories of shamanism and use of hallucinogens seem tailored to present a certain occult teaching to a society that was just fully entering into psychedelic/entheogen use.
 
In truth, theres very little doubt that the stories are largely untrue. Anyone who has read the Don Juan series can see that Don Juan completely changes as the books go on, plus the various temporal mistakes are too many to simply be bad editing. Thatgl said, I don't know how Castaneda made such errors as they are so bleedingly obvious; its like he wasn't making any effort in terms of pulling of a good con, or he honestly believed the truth of what he was writing- or it was all true. I think that he does have some good ideas, and the stories are interesting, but its tarnished by being false and, in many ways, very self referencial and mundane. For me, the initial interest was born from the fact that these were 'genuine' shamanic teachings, so the discrepancies in the writing really turned me off. Perhaps if he'd written the stories as a kind of parable then it would be more important to me personally. I've always liked the idea that Castaneda was trying to conceal the truth of himself as a means to spirtitual elevation, and did so with confusion and misrepresentation but thats a kind of childish view. If he had avoided the commune/cult life that he seemed to pursue, I feel he would have had more credibility. There is something odd about the fact that several of his 'friends' vanished in 1998, with one person being found dead half a decade later. Who knows what happened?

Myself, I think the stories are a front for something different. The stories of shamanism and use of hallucinogens seem tailored to present a certain occult teaching to a society that was just fully entering into psychedelic/entheogen use.

That actually makes sense. I never thought of it that way.. these books did come out at a time were psychedelics were becoming popular and introduced into society. I haven't followed Casteneda's personal life so I wasn't aware that he was involved in commune/cult life.. i need to look into this more because I'm now interested.
 
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