mrflowers00
Ex-Bluelighter
i use 3cc 25 and 27gauge syringes with no problem so even if you did get a smaller gauge needle you may still have a hard time registering
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MrIbis
Bluelighter
Here is aus the NSPs commonly stock 27g insulin syringes, with other sizes optional. 3ml (3cc) barrels are commonly used to inject pills (more commonly dexamphetamine and morphine where i live). I have no real trouble with large gauge needles other than the obvious small hands not being able to articulate well around such a large rig (up to 10cc when doing the amp tabs).
With heroin, use a small needle, and a small amount of water - this way you won't have to put bulletwounds in your arms. Failing this, and assuming you have good clean hammer - IM the shit, honestly it does the trick - and it's what i'd do if id made several attempts, blunted a needle and still had no success.
i find for your standard dose of heroin, 30-40units (.30-.40ml) is more than ample. This reduces the risk that you'll roll a vein during injection as it shortens the process. Also as stated before go for 1cc insulin rigs.
Also, on another HR note, i noticed another poster mention his wrists. I find these veins a pleasure to use, especially when you have precious little time, and are using in some kind of public place (a toilet or such). Tie off with anything around the forearm, you should see the vein that runs along your inner wrist up your arm pop up magically, practice here, but avoid the hands if at all possible.
With heroin, use a small needle, and a small amount of water - this way you won't have to put bulletwounds in your arms. Failing this, and assuming you have good clean hammer - IM the shit, honestly it does the trick - and it's what i'd do if id made several attempts, blunted a needle and still had no success.
i find for your standard dose of heroin, 30-40units (.30-.40ml) is more than ample. This reduces the risk that you'll roll a vein during injection as it shortens the process. Also as stated before go for 1cc insulin rigs.
Also, on another HR note, i noticed another poster mention his wrists. I find these veins a pleasure to use, especially when you have precious little time, and are using in some kind of public place (a toilet or such). Tie off with anything around the forearm, you should see the vein that runs along your inner wrist up your arm pop up magically, practice here, but avoid the hands if at all possible.
wcote
Greenlighter
Its all about practise..... Seriously on a forum apart from saying stay away from IV, its pretty hard to give someone advice on how to IV.
Most people take a while to learn by themselves.... do you have nobody to help you out person to person?
That be your best bet. Or keep to smoking it.... out of a pipe, better than tinfoil for the rush.
Most people take a while to learn by themselves.... do you have nobody to help you out person to person?
That be your best bet. Or keep to smoking it.... out of a pipe, better than tinfoil for the rush.
Trigeminal
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It definitely makes it more difficult. The point is bigger, which makes it more likely the vein will roll. It's also longer, which makes it more likely you'll stick it all the way through your vein. Someone with experience, yea, could compensate for it pretty easily. But for someone just starting, they won't really have enough experience to figure out what's going on.
wcote
Greenlighter
Yeah if your certain you wanna start pinning then find someone who knows what they are doing..... Otherwise this could take a while.
You are seriously fucking up veins, when you really wanna keep veins as good as possible for as long as possible..... after all think about all the shit you are putting in yourself, you dont wanna destroy veins cus you wanna IV but cant do it 99.99% of the time. Get someone to go through with you.
You are seriously fucking up veins, when you really wanna keep veins as good as possible for as long as possible..... after all think about all the shit you are putting in yourself, you dont wanna destroy veins cus you wanna IV but cant do it 99.99% of the time. Get someone to go through with you.
opiophilia
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Thanks for all the replies, everyone.
As I've said before, I have nobody to shoot with because I'm not too keen on telling people I'm on H. And most of my friends who have already ridden the H train have overdosed/went to rehab and/or jail/died and so on. So my only option is to figure this out by myself. Sorry to cross that option out.
My IV technique is pretty much exactly what I've extrapolated from this site. My only guess is that if I'm following directions as closely as possible, it's my works.
And I've HIGHLY considered IM because of how many times I've poked up my arms and shots I've wasted, but I've read more bad than good about IM dope administration (maybe they don't know what they're doing
).
Just for some reason, I don't have very good visible veins, even though I weigh 115lbs. I'm guessing the 25g, 1" point isn't helping either. Most likely, the needle is going through my veins, hence the venous-eqsue blood I get when I take the needle out??
I'm about to order a few 31g online, but I'm not too sure about the needle laws in my state. This, too, I've researched extensively, but everything seems outdated. I went to a pharmacy about a month ago to see if I could get some needles for "grandma", but they required a prescription. So I'm still a little worried about ordering online when my state is uptight about paraphernalia.
As I've said before, I have nobody to shoot with because I'm not too keen on telling people I'm on H. And most of my friends who have already ridden the H train have overdosed/went to rehab and/or jail/died and so on. So my only option is to figure this out by myself. Sorry to cross that option out.
My IV technique is pretty much exactly what I've extrapolated from this site. My only guess is that if I'm following directions as closely as possible, it's my works.
And I've HIGHLY considered IM because of how many times I've poked up my arms and shots I've wasted, but I've read more bad than good about IM dope administration (maybe they don't know what they're doing
). Just for some reason, I don't have very good visible veins, even though I weigh 115lbs. I'm guessing the 25g, 1" point isn't helping either. Most likely, the needle is going through my veins, hence the venous-eqsue blood I get when I take the needle out??
I'm about to order a few 31g online, but I'm not too sure about the needle laws in my state. This, too, I've researched extensively, but everything seems outdated. I went to a pharmacy about a month ago to see if I could get some needles for "grandma", but they required a prescription. So I'm still a little worried about ordering online when my state is uptight about paraphernalia.
Like the rest of them said, make sure your points are not so god damn fat. Buy some long ones and some short ones, you'll find one will be easier to use depeding on how close your veins are to the surface of your skin. Make sure you are hitting the easiest spots possible at the bend of the arm, and watch out for arteries, hot pink blood and a real painful feeling of it puncturing your artery which is much deeper in your arm then the other veins visible to you. If you see bright, I mean un mistakable bright ass pink blood pull out immediately. Try switching arms, some arms have veins that are much easier to hit. For instance, I could only hit my right arm with my left hand (& I'm right handed) untill all of those sucker blew out and I had to just find the others, which was hard to do. Once you get the hang of it, it's really easy unless you are using the same rig over and over again. Not oonly will this make your arms look like a pair of infected lips but you will get all kinds of horrible bruising and you really do a lot of damage to your veins where they become tough and thick and eventually you can't hit them anymore.
Once again, try your best to always use a fresh needle everytime you hit yourself. and once you find the easy vein to hit you can just keep going after it but it is good to rotate if possible. Hell I can land a shot almost anywhere as long as there is a visible vein and a Fresh rig. I can hit my dick no problem, even my neck which can be very dangerous and I don't recommend it.. Due to the fact that most of the time the vein easiest to hit in the neck is located right in front of your jugular.
Once again, try your best to always use a fresh needle everytime you hit yourself. and once you find the easy vein to hit you can just keep going after it but it is good to rotate if possible. Hell I can land a shot almost anywhere as long as there is a visible vein and a Fresh rig. I can hit my dick no problem, even my neck which can be very dangerous and I don't recommend it.. Due to the fact that most of the time the vein easiest to hit in the neck is located right in front of your jugular.
opiophilia
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Yeah, the store I bought them from didn't provide gauge size for me. When I realised how big the gauge was, I was surprised. Anyway, I've yet to hit an artery...none of my hits have missed when I do IV, so it's not me not knowing where I'm going. The problem with my other arm is that about 95% of viable injection sites are covered in [keloid] scars. So out goes my other arm. Maybe once I get good enough, I can rotate more to other sites. And when I try to re-register, I'll limit myself to 5 or 6 times (except in cases where I'm desperate) and trash the rig after that. Thanks for the reminder.
Just wanted to throw this out there: not sure why people are finding the need to be rude to me. I'm new at IDU. Give me a break. I'm not just randomly stabbing my arms. I'm not that much an idiot. I tie off, swab up, filter, everything. So please don't tell me to stop IVing just because I don't have an impeccable technique yet and I'm asking for help from people with experience. At least I'm asking for help instead of not registering, shooting heroin everywhere but into my veins and getting abscesses. I've explained everything I'm doing when I IV, and the only "X factor" seems to be my needle gauge...so maybe that's the main problem, and not just me. /vent
Just wanted to throw this out there: not sure why people are finding the need to be rude to me. I'm new at IDU. Give me a break. I'm not just randomly stabbing my arms. I'm not that much an idiot. I tie off, swab up, filter, everything. So please don't tell me to stop IVing just because I don't have an impeccable technique yet and I'm asking for help from people with experience. At least I'm asking for help instead of not registering, shooting heroin everywhere but into my veins and getting abscesses. I've explained everything I'm doing when I IV, and the only "X factor" seems to be my needle gauge...so maybe that's the main problem, and not just me. /vent
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BlissfulApathy
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First off, as others as said, maybe consider it a sign to not start IVing your drugs. Once you do get the hang of it, you'll find it very hard to ever go back to any other ROA and fucking impossible not to think about it the times necessity forces you to. Hell, it's impossible not to crave that pleasure any time besides the one to three hours after you push off. Not to mention the physical health risks. Making the jump to intravenous should be a decision that's extremely well thought out, weighing ALL the risks involved, physically, psychologically, and social, against the two pros, more efficient dosing and that rush.
That being said, your OP is, almost word for word, me when I started. About thinking I'm gonna get it this time, but nothing, and when I pull out there's the dark vein blood, sometimes even a drop or two making it into the barrel. See, my pipes are all DEEP, and I could almost never rely solely on my eyes. Even after tying off and bringing them up to the surface, I could only barely feel the slight bulge through the skin. However, that was the first step towards
success. Really pay attention to how the vein your aiming for curves and where exactly it is. This will help you judge the angle better. Go in at around a 45 degree angle, once you've punctured the skin lower slowly to a maybe 10-25 degree angle, maintaining the needles position along the vein. From here, go slowly and calmly, I can't stress slowly. Once in, while lowering the angle, draw up slightly on the plunger. This will produce a small bubble in the barrel, and pressurize it, so once you are in a plume of blood will shoot up into the barrel. This is KEY to determining when you are in. The next thing I'm about to tell you was the single most helpful piece of advice I got. The whole time the needle is in the skin, stare at that point, right where the needle is, using your peripheral vision to look at the barrel for the flash of red. Once you see the blood start to rush into the barrel, REMEMBER THAT EXACT POINT, the angle of the needle, how deep in it was, what direction it was pointing, EVERYTHING. Use a point of reference on your arm, a hair, freckle, etc. This technique will help you stay in, and get BACK in should you accidentally fall out of or poke through the vein. Once you're sure it's in, slowly push down the plunger, eyes still on the point, re-registering halfway through or if you start to feel a burn under and around the injection site or a small bubble rising next to it, as this means you're missing.
Patience is the key here, I used to get very frustrated and that only made it worse. Practice makes perfect, even with horribly dangerous hobbies. I have to reiterate that it is definitely in your best interest to reconsider whether or not IV is for you, but I certainly know how I would have(and indeed, did) react to someone telling me that when I first started, hence the hopefully helpful tips.
A few other things that have already been said/don't fit in anywhere else: definitely change your rig. What you have now I would have killed for last week when all that was around was Roxis, and I was stuck with my normal gear (and REALLY never shoot pills, especially oxy as it's already highly bioavailable orally, which is the route I went and usually do go except for a few stretched apart occasions), but for dope you want a 1cc rig. I use 28 gauge 1 cc 1/2" inch tip and out of all the sizes I've tried, this is my favorite. Just go into the pharmacy and ask for exactly what I just said, bag of 10. Also I notice you said you're tired of wasting your cooked shots, but depending on where you live/which kind of heroin you have, but since you said you insuffulated it, I'm guessing east coast powder dope(#3 I think? Or was it 4..?), you don't need to cook. It's readily soluble and the sanitation factor is negligible. But that's really preference. I hope I helped, if your mind is made up to be an IV drug user, then you MUST get proper technique down.
DON'T SHOOT DRUGS!
That being said, your OP is, almost word for word, me when I started. About thinking I'm gonna get it this time, but nothing, and when I pull out there's the dark vein blood, sometimes even a drop or two making it into the barrel. See, my pipes are all DEEP, and I could almost never rely solely on my eyes. Even after tying off and bringing them up to the surface, I could only barely feel the slight bulge through the skin. However, that was the first step towards
success. Really pay attention to how the vein your aiming for curves and where exactly it is. This will help you judge the angle better. Go in at around a 45 degree angle, once you've punctured the skin lower slowly to a maybe 10-25 degree angle, maintaining the needles position along the vein. From here, go slowly and calmly, I can't stress slowly. Once in, while lowering the angle, draw up slightly on the plunger. This will produce a small bubble in the barrel, and pressurize it, so once you are in a plume of blood will shoot up into the barrel. This is KEY to determining when you are in. The next thing I'm about to tell you was the single most helpful piece of advice I got. The whole time the needle is in the skin, stare at that point, right where the needle is, using your peripheral vision to look at the barrel for the flash of red. Once you see the blood start to rush into the barrel, REMEMBER THAT EXACT POINT, the angle of the needle, how deep in it was, what direction it was pointing, EVERYTHING. Use a point of reference on your arm, a hair, freckle, etc. This technique will help you stay in, and get BACK in should you accidentally fall out of or poke through the vein. Once you're sure it's in, slowly push down the plunger, eyes still on the point, re-registering halfway through or if you start to feel a burn under and around the injection site or a small bubble rising next to it, as this means you're missing.
Patience is the key here, I used to get very frustrated and that only made it worse. Practice makes perfect, even with horribly dangerous hobbies. I have to reiterate that it is definitely in your best interest to reconsider whether or not IV is for you, but I certainly know how I would have(and indeed, did) react to someone telling me that when I first started, hence the hopefully helpful tips.
A few other things that have already been said/don't fit in anywhere else: definitely change your rig. What you have now I would have killed for last week when all that was around was Roxis, and I was stuck with my normal gear (and REALLY never shoot pills, especially oxy as it's already highly bioavailable orally, which is the route I went and usually do go except for a few stretched apart occasions), but for dope you want a 1cc rig. I use 28 gauge 1 cc 1/2" inch tip and out of all the sizes I've tried, this is my favorite. Just go into the pharmacy and ask for exactly what I just said, bag of 10. Also I notice you said you're tired of wasting your cooked shots, but depending on where you live/which kind of heroin you have, but since you said you insuffulated it, I'm guessing east coast powder dope(#3 I think? Or was it 4..?), you don't need to cook. It's readily soluble and the sanitation factor is negligible. But that's really preference. I hope I helped, if your mind is made up to be an IV drug user, then you MUST get proper technique down.
DON'T SHOOT DRUGS!
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
opiophilia said:
Did you check out the "How to Get Needles Mega Thread" ?