Cannabis link to psychosis depends on age of first use

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Half of regular smokers of cannabis who are psychologically vulnerable to its effects may end up needing treatment for psychosis, scientists said yesterday.

Up to 10 per cent of the adult population, almost four million people, has a tendency to paranoid thoughts or grandiose ideas and may be tipped into psychotic delusions by the effects of the drug, they said.

A study of 2,437 young people aged 14 to 24 found that of those who smoked cannabis regularly and had a pre-existing risk of psychosis, 50 per cent developed psychotic symptoms over the four-year period.

This was twice the rate among those who did not use cannabis and more than three times higher than among those who were neither vulnerable nor took the drug.

The findings add to evidence of the dangers of cannabis. Five previous studies have shown a link between cannabis and psychosis but this is the first to quantify the risk in psychologically vulnerable individuals.

International experts meeting in London today will discuss the evidence at a conference on cannabis and health organised by the Institute of Psychiatry.

Robin Murray, a professor of psychiatry at the Institute, said the popularity of cannabis combined with its increasing strength and the earlier age at which people started smoking were a cause for concern.

Comparing the rising toll of mental illness caused by cannabis to the epidemic of heart disease, he said: 'We know lack of exercise and obesity are precursors for heart attacks. Now we are learning the precursors of psychosis.'

Cannabis is the third most popular recreational drug after alcohol and tobacco and Professor Murray said there was a question why more people were not psychotic. 'It may be to do with how early you start. The earlier it is the greater the risk,' he said.

Research in Australia shows that the average age at which young people start smoking cannabis has come down since the 1970s from the early twenties to the mid-teens. In the Netherlands it is between 13 and 14 and in the UK it is estimated to be 15 to 16, but there are no official figures.

Last week figures showed that two in five 15-year-olds in the UK had tried cannabis - more than anywhere else in Europe.

Zerrin Atakan of the National Psychosis Unit at the Maudsley hospital in south London said that the earlier people started using cannabis the more likely they were to become dependent on it. 'If you smoke cannabis before the age of 17, imaging studies show structural changes in the brain.'

Studies of pregnant women who smoked cannabis showed changes in the brains of their children in later life, she said.

For the study, in the online version of the British Medical Journal, Jim van Os of Maastricht University and colleagues followed 2,437 young people from Germany for four years.

Marjorie Wallace, the chief executive of the mental health charity Sane, said: 'Britain's position as the cannabis capital of Europe could have hidden and disturbing consequences.'

Health benefits

* Cannabis has been called the 'aspirin' of the 21st century with evidence that its compounds may protect the brain against the effects of ageing.

* The world's largest study of the medical effects of cannabis reported in November last year that it could reduce pain and improve the lives of people with multiple sclerosis.

* Like alcohol, in moderation the drug promotes relaxation and enjoyment which are beneficial for human health.

Health risks

* Regular cannabis smoking is associated with an increased risk of schizophrenia and depression.

* Up to 80 per cent of new cases of psychosis seen in psychiatric hospitals are triggered by cannabis abuse.

* Smoking three joints a day causes the same damage to the lungs as 20 cigarettes.

* The drug distorts perception, affects short-term memory and may cause hallucinations.

* Habitual users suffer from de-motivation.

Copyright © 2004 Independent Newspapers (UK) Limited

Source: Financial Times Information Limited - Europe Intelligence Wire



02-12-2004

http://community.netdoktor.com/ccs/...ession.facts.news.uk_depression_article_18815
 
Half of regular smokers of cannabis who are psychologically vulnerable to its effects may end up needing treatment for psychosis, scientists said yesterday.

You're such an idiot, world... GOD!

I mean, it's not like we've seen this over and over for the past 50 years with the most popular recreational drug on earth after alcohol and nicotine.

Remember the good ol' days where the worst problem with marijuana was that it made you a chronic masturbater?
 
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I have never seen a person be psychotic due to marijuana. This is just more bullshit that the media/government is trying to tell us so we wont smoke our precious cannabis plant... BUT ITS NOT WORKING... god im stoned.. its 7:00 AM and i have to be to the bus-stop in 35 minutes.. can we say "fun school day" =D



Oh no everyone at school better watch out, i might go psychotic and kill everyone... 8) pleeeease
 
"I have never seen a person be psychotic due to marijuana."

I don't doubt at all that heavy use can lead to mental problems. And I have seen it happen. But generally, it's people that already have pre-existing conditions. And no, I've never seen anyone become truly psychotic. For the most part, I tend to believe it's not good to use too often because it can hurt memory, yet still, I know several people that use regularly whom are still intelligent and productive and mentally healthy.

Most importantly, there is NO evidence that marijuana leads to psychosis or most especially schizophrenia. All of this recent stuff linking marijuana to psychotic problems is based on a 'link' taken entirely out of context and now being used to politicize something with junk science. The logic being used here is actually as bad or worst than racist arguments as seen in the book The Bell Curve.
 
mrsumone said:
I have never seen a person be psychotic due to marijuana. This is just more bullshit that the media/government is trying to tell us so we wont smoke our precious cannabis plant

I've seen a good friend of mine turn psychotic due to Cannabis, though he did have a pre-disposition.

Davesoviet, this study that was released a while ago says otherwise, it's pretty reputable.. Even though this article DOES exaggerate the risks enormously (with the emphasis on enormous), it IS right on some points.

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/rapidpdf/bmj.38267.664086.63v1?ehom
 
Yeah but what is the point here? If you don't have a such disposition you don't need to worry about it. I mean obviously if you have a predisposition to liver desease you shouldn't drink at all right? But it doesn't mean the remainder of the population can't drink moderately without problems. Would it be "news" to say that alcohol is more dangerous in poeple with predisposition to liver desease? Hardly. Its hardly "news" to me that a psychedelic drug, even a mild psychedelic like pot, is going to be riskier in people predisposed to mental problems.
 
Most importantly, for people who are predisposed to various psychiatric conditions (psychosis, schizophrenia, bipolar, etc), it's not just enough to say "don't use psychedelics," which is good advice, don't get me wrong, but it's also worth remembering that these people stand a good chance of developing the disorder even without drug use. Usually there's some catalyst situation, like difficulties in school, or breaking up with a girlfriend or boyfriend, or having a friend or relative die, that triggers the disease.
 
Never once have i ever seen an article/paper written about the "dangers" of marijuana (and there are some...its impossible to not have any), where the author compared marijuana to other, legal drugs. If you were an average human being, of an average to above average intelligence, the "dangers" and/or side-effects of marijuana presented by the government/media (theyre one in the same), you might get scared.....that is unti you are presented with the side-effects and dangers of the legal, prescription equivelent of marijuana.
 
i think the problem is at the moment that people think cannabis is safe to use everyday of thier lives...and kids are starting really young while thier brains are still developing.

keep weed a fun thing to do occasionally instead of a life style...you'll enjoy it more and have very very low chances of getting psychosis
 
Srsly, where are all the studies regarding alcohol?

Are studies only done on illegal drugs, so as to justify their legality?

Should studies be done to re-enforce why alchohol is legal?
 
I think some people here should browse through "The Dark Side" looking for psychological problems associated with THC....

It is absolutely true that THC, in a certain percentage of people, causes SERIOUS mental problems....like intense anxiety, paranoia, self-loathing, anomie, depression, depersonalization, etc... Weed is not "harmless."

I have no idea how THC came to be known as a "soft" drug. I can do meth every morning and still function just fine. But if I smoked weed every morning, I would probably fall into an endless pit of social anxiety and delusional paranoia.

Personally, I can only enjoy THC at certain times. It is great for listening to a new album, having an in-depth conversation with a close friend, or pondering the mysteries of life. But if I smoke too often, I experience the same things this study found....and I don't have any history of mental illness.
 
gloggawogga said:
Its hardly "news" to me that a psychedelic drug, even a mild psychedelic like pot, is going to be riskier in people predisposed to mental problems.

That people that are pre-disposed to mental ilnesses can have an episode due to smoking Cannabis is nothing new, the study I linked concludes that "healthy" people are at risk as well (albeit a very small percentage).
 
"It is absolutely true that THC, in a certain percentage of people, causes SERIOUS mental problems....like intense anxiety, paranoia, self-loathing, anomie, depression, depersonalization, etc... Weed is not "harmless."
 
^sorry bout that, Quoted from protovack
but responding to that, of course its not harmless, I think anyone can agree, even when I was young and arrogant, I knew it wasnt harmless. also, you notice it dramatically changes the way you percieve things, and fucks with your personality. a year back, I was smokin hardcore, now not as much, but I dont remember too much from those days, however I do remember having anxiety, paranoia, self-loathing, anomie, slight depression-lost intrest in several things, also depersonalization and more. But even though, i'd rather have those mental problems with ganja, than worse drugs, for sure. Of all drugs, i think it could be considered the least harmful. But not harmless like u say.
 
the following must be realized:
""A study of 2,437 young people aged 14 to 24 found that of those who smoked cannabis regularly and had a pre-existing risk of psychosis, 50 per cent developed psychotic symptoms over the four-year period.""
---yea no shit, "pre-existing RISK", and "psychotic SYMPTOMS", this is all just a more harsh way to explain symptoms of marijuana, making it seem much worse, although these facts are somewhat true, they are not hardly as dangerous as alchohol or nicotine, and those shitz are legal, ---bullshit-that really needs to change.
 
my dad's cousin thought that pot triggered her psychoses, but then again she's a "jew for jesus" (fucking fanatical christians) they believe anything you tell them.
 
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