Cannabis destroyed my son. It is just as bad a drug as heroin

I just love it how some people feel the need to always make heroin sound as if it's the worst drug ever. They also do the same thing with crack-cocaine, as if it's 100x worse than powder. If they have never used it, they shouldn't even be able to make a statement like that.
 
Roger&Me said:
Instead of heroin, why don't they compare it to alprazolam or some shit like that instead?
Click to expand...
They wouldn't do that because, despite what you think about alprazolam (not that I necessarily disagree), it's just not as commonly known as heroin, nor does it have the stigma. Plus many people are on legit scripts, so it'd be harder to scare those people. Heroin's quite the poster boy for the ills of drug abuse and scary addictions, so it's easy to just compare it to that. You could say that it's the epitome of bad drug scenarios in the minds of many drug-naive people.

Roger&Me said:
If their goal is to demonize it, I think it would work better, because the withdrawls from those handlebars, BOY I'M NOT SHITTIN' YOU = ABOUT 100,000x worse than heroin withdrawal and them shits is more addictive than crack with their increadibly fast onset and incredibly short duration and moody shitty cloudy-headed after effects that make you have to redose.
Click to expand...
But it'd only work to people who understood xanax and its withdrawals, but those same people would also be less likely to have that knee jerk reaction of "OMFG it's teh heroin!!".

Roger&Me said:
But this big bad heroin stigma is kinda absurd at this point.
Click to expand...
Yup! As I said though, it's just the poster boy for this shit, so I wouldn't expect it to be going away any time soon! Maybe if meth became more popular and was around (in heavy usage) for a while longer, it'd have a chance at being that poster boy, but heroin's taking the cake for now. It just speaks to so many generations too, I mean old people know heroin, they won't necessarily know meth, alprazolam, mdma, etc. But yeah I'll stop on that topic, because I could go on forever about how it's complete BS that if, at a party, you ate an OC80 you'd be totally fine, but I've never ever ever been somewhere where I could've just done some H in public. Any time I got H in my life was from people that weren't even really friends, just acquaintances.

Roger&Me said:
I have about as much respect for these so-called reporters as I do maury povich and the like
Click to expand...
Let's just hope that the natural selection going on right now amongst them (thank you interwebz for stealing so much of the mainstream media!) can weed out the shitty ones! I must say I had to chuckle recently while reading a scathing article about by a pissed off journalist about how badly the internet is hurting other news outlets, but what the hell do they expect with the horrible shit, this being an example, that you put out?!
 
ive never seen anybody say that vicodin or tramadol or dilaudid or fentanyl is as bad as heroin, because i've done most of these except fentanyl and i'm almost positive that theyre all just as dangerous. i've only done heroin via the nose, but it felt exactly like all those other opiates. i love how just because something is prescribed that makes it basically acceptable, even shit like desoxyn. i don't get it.
 
In this case heroin would've been safer for Paul to use. I honestly think heroin is safer than alcohol, benzos, cocaine, pcp, and is in some cases can be as equally safe as weed.
 
"Safer" is a pretty subjective term given how many 'unsafe' variables we're dealing with. To say it would've been safer to be on heroin, that's a long shot that would hinge on a lot. If he had a steady supply of heroin, then yeah, maybe he'd be fine. But what about a strong ass withdrawal? I'd say that could push him over the edge way faster (and you may be thinking that the pot brought out his schizophrenia and H would not have. We will never know if that's the case, but he was 30 when he was diagnosed, and these things tend to manifest around early 20's for many people, so he could've already been ready to start being schizo regardless of the pot. If that were the case, then I don't think a strong heroin w/d would've been unlikely to cause this either).

I don't see how you can say heroin is safer than alcohol, benzos, cocaine, pcp, etc. Well, pcp I'd agree with. But how would benzos be more dangerous than H? Meh this is a kind of pointless debate, I just think your claim is pretty off base. They all have bad sides and, if used responsibly, can greatly enhance lives. But to say one's safer than another is tough because safety to you may mean risk of overdose, whereas to someone else it may mean long-term health effects, and to another person it could mean likelihood of an addiction. Safe is so multifaceted when it comes to these things, it's too generalized of a term to just start drawing an ordered chart upon.
 
If he hadnt of smoked he would of drunk


The drug isnt the problem its the motivations behind the use

His mum just doesnt want to accept the idea maybe he dug his own grave she wants something to blame
 
None of you straight potheads know what addiction really is.
Click to expand...

i'm quite impressed by the size of your internet penis


I dunno what's in the weed in the UK but i seems to make yall crazy over there ;)
 
Anytime someone dies from unnatural causes, it seems as if the family needs to blame something. People love to blame music, television, movies, and drugs.

I know for a fact that many, many people have committed suicide either while under the influence of alcohol, or they have an ongoing problem with alcohol. It has happened to two people I know of personally. Yet it seems as when alcohol is to blame people are more accepting of it simply because of it's legality.

It's time to stop pushing the blame elsewhere. I think that some people are just suicidal no matter what.
 
bingalpaws said:
"Safer" is a pretty subjective term given how many 'unsafe' variables we're dealing with. To say it would've been safer to be on heroin, that's a long shot that would hinge on a lot. If he had a steady supply of heroin, then yeah, maybe he'd be fine. But what about a strong ass withdrawal? I'd say that could push him over the edge way faster (and you may be thinking that the pot brought out his schizophrenia and H would not have. We will never know if that's the case, but he was 30 when he was diagnosed, and these things tend to manifest around early 20's for many people, so he could've already been ready to start being schizo regardless of the pot. If that were the case, then I don't think a strong heroin w/d would've been unlikely to cause this either).

I don't see how you can say heroin is safer than alcohol, benzos, cocaine, pcp, etc. Well, pcp I'd agree with. But how would benzos be more dangerous than H? Meh this is a kind of pointless debate, I just think your claim is pretty off base. They all have bad sides and, if used responsibly, can greatly enhance lives. But to say one's safer than another is tough because safety to you may mean risk of overdose, whereas to someone else it may mean long-term health effects, and to another person it could mean likelihood of an addiction. Safe is so multifaceted when it comes to these things, it's too generalized of a term to just start drawing an ordered chart upon.
Click to expand...
Maybe they meant safer as in less permanent physical/psychological damage and the fact that heroin is non-toxic? Or maybe that if all drugs were legal, then heroin would be one of the safer drugs 'cause addiction would be easier to handle and ODs would be fewer? I do agree with you, however, about how it's tough to say which drugs are more or less safer due to the fact that it's dependent on the person, therefore it changes on a case by case basis. But some drugs are definitely more physically damaging than others.
 
Nwalmaer said:
If he hadnt of smoked he would of drunk


The drug isnt the problem its the motivations behind the use

His mum just doesnt want to accept the idea maybe he dug his own grave she wants something to blame
Click to expand...

This is a GREAT point. The vast majority of people would have substituted alcohol in order to self-medicate if cannabis or a more suitable alternative wasn't available. Alcohol is ridiculously easily available, and I'm sure he would have found it sooner or later. I'm glad that wasn't the case though, because in a schizophrenic state the last thing you need is greatly lowered inhibitions.
 
twgburst said:
As an exdope fiend, I must say heroin is much better than cannabis. Does anyone else find the concept of comparin heroin to marijuana offensive? None of you straight potheads know what addiction really is.
Click to expand...

i've been addicted to cannabis and xanax (at different times). the cannabis addiction (which came first) was 100,000 times worse. but i suppose i don't know what addiction really is. 8)

anyway, i think the solution is not to make cannabis more illegal but to legalize it. having it be illegal certainly didn't protect me from it's evils. if it were legal, then people might actually listen when people talk about the negative affects of cannabis instead of just assuming they are lying in order to try to keep it from getting legalized.

i also hate it when people compare drugs to other heroin like "omg its as bad as heroin". it all depends on the individual. i know people who have been on opiates daily for years and have virtually no problems (aside from the withdrawal) whereas i on the other hand, got fucked over just from smoking grass a couple of years.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top