Cannabinoids derived from thc that are being sold right now - alt noids

[izo]

Hi,

I just Found out that there is a massive amount of cannabinoids derived from thc and cbd being sold. I only knew about thcp, thcv and hhc being sold but there are much more that are available Right now.

Herr is a List of the psychoactive Cannabinoids i Found (without the ones derived from cbd):

-thcpo
-hhcpo
-hhcp
-hhcpm
-d8-thcp
-d9-thcp
-thca
-d9-thc
-d8-thc
-hhca
-hhc
-hhco
-d8-thco
-d9-thco
-thcm
-d9-thch
-d8-thch
-hhch
-8-oh-hhc
-10-oh-hhc
-thcb
-d8-thcbo
-d9-thc-c8
-d9-thcv
-d8-thcv
-hhcv
-d9-thcvo
-8-oh-thc
-10-oh-thc

I think The List is not complete. Does anyone has experience with any of These compounds and can give some Information on which is worthwhile?

Also a link that might be helpful when it comes to These compounds:

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[Darksidesam]

be Cautious of anything o it can be very potent version of the more regular cannabinoid counterpart

Ive personally only tried THC, CBD, CBG, CBC and CBN as far as im aware

 

[Quasimoto]

These derivatives are all freely available, very cheap, and legal in the US. You can walk into any vape shop and they have several available. THC-O, THC-P, THC-V, HHC, D6, D8, and D10 are the most common. The others can be found online. THCa is just carboxylated regular weed that was cured in a specific way. It's how they sell weed in stores now even though it's still technically federally illegal.

Some are amazing and superior to cannabis in my opinion. Often more psychedelic or more euphoric but with less anxiety. Some even feel a bit narcotic to me, such as THC-P which is my personal favorite. I find it extremely addictive, and it has an almost GABAergic like body high and plenty of downstream dopamine.

But some are extremely potent, such as THC-P, and you need to be careful. They can also produce some very nasty withdrawals compared to weed, and in general should be treated carefully like real drugs and not the harmless quality cannabis has.

The potent ones will also ruin your tolerance to regular weed, obviously.

The first time I orally dosed like ~2-3mg of THC-P without much tolerance I basically went into a coma and woke up 14 hours later very confused and still high as fucking balls. I think it was assayed to have 33x greater affinity at CB1/CB2 than regular THC, or maybe that was THC-O... but some of them are ridiculously potent. Others, such as d8, are significantly less potent than THC by about 66%.

The d8 carbon position derivatives tend to be less potent than d9. d10 tends to be more stimulating. I don't know about d6.

CBN is also great, it's mildly psychoactive for a CBx compound and a great sleeping tool. 20-30mg feels like taking ~2-3mg of diazepam to me (minus the GABA effects), but is otherwise not psychoactive and doesn't get you high like a cannabinoid.

But yeah, these "alt-noids" have become very prevalent and popular in the US over the last couple years. I have personally tried about a dozen of them. I pretty much just stick to regular weed these days, and use THC-P as a treat sometimes, but not daily or else it ruins my tolerance and gives me withdrawals.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

+1
All the smoke shop cannabinoids I have tried have jacked up my tolerance quickly (at the least). I loved ∆9 THCO, it gave me a long high more pleasant than regular pot, but two days of it and I couldn't get high on pot anymore. Felt like I had been smoking flower for months and months. I stay away from them all now.
Even ∆8 jacks that tolerance up. Due to the greater CB2 activity, in my opinion. You take more to get the same high at CB1 as ∆9 and the CB2 affinity jacks tolerance up. I've known a few people that ended up on huge doses of ∆8 daily.
If I stick with flower, I can smoke for weeks and weeks and my tolerance goes up slowly. There's a day and night difference.

 

[nepalnt21]

ended up on huge doses of ∆8 daily

i know for me the tolerance seemed to go up quicker with d8 as opposed to d9, speaking on taking them orally.

i was eating grams and grams of it per dose after not that many days, iirc.

 

[Quasimoto]

i know for me the tolerance seemed to go up quicker with d8 as opposed to d9, speaking on taking them orally.

i was eating grams and grams of it per dose after not that many days, iirc.

d8 disproportionally causes tolerance relative to it's low effect, it's kind of weird

That was the first alt noid available, I remember my tolerance to it became so high that no amount would get me high at all.

 

[Kaleida]

I think The List is not complete. Does anyone has experience with any of These compounds and can give some Information on which is worthwhile?

The list is definitely not complete. I don’t see CBN or derivatives like CBN-O on there for instance. I’m not the person to be able to give you a comprehensive list though. This alt cannabinoid scene has exploded in recent times but I haven’t really been following it.

I have used Δ8-THC, HHC, HHC-O, and Δ9-THC-O. I enjoyed them all but only HHC-O was noteworthy for me. I felt I might have liked it better than Δ9-THC and it was longer-lasting too, but I also found it both more addictive and more incapacitating. I didn’t get to use it too much but I’m not sure if that’s a totally bad thing.

I’m also starting to experiment with CBN right now and like it so far.

These derivatives are all freely available, very cheap, and legal in the US. You can walk into any vape shop and they have several available.

Sadly many US states have already banned or restricted them and I would expect the trend to continue. I haven’t been able to get any of them for a year and a half since I moved to a new state. Ironically many of the states that have banned them already are states where recreational cannabis is legal. I think they probably don’t want the market to get muddied up with them.

 

[Quasimoto]

Sadly many US states have already banned or restricted them and I would expect the trend to continue. I haven’t been able to get any of them for a year and a half since I moved to a new state. Ironically many of the states that have banned them already are states where recreational cannabis is legal. I think they probably don’t want the market to get muddied up with them.

That is odd and unfortunate.

I live in a state where it's all still illegal on a state level. It's also nearly impossible to get a medical license... but literally every vape shop in the city has huge jars of dank weed right next to the register, plus all the alt noids.

The weed is "THCa" flower, but it's just regular weed. They just tweak the curing process slightly (I think they just shorten the curing time slightly), but it is just regular, dank, 30% THC weed. No difference.

Not only that, it has no special state tax. So it's actually cheaper than the weed in legal states.

 

[Kaleida]

That is odd and unfortunate.

I live in a state where it's all still illegal on a state level. It's also nearly impossible to get a medical license... but literally every vape shop in the city has huge jars of dank weed right next to the register, plus all the alt noids.

The weed is "THCa" flower, but it's just regular weed. They just tweak the curing process slightly, but it is just regular, dank, 30% THC weed. No difference.

Yeah, that’s how it was where I used to live. It pretty much all started right before I left unfortunately. I hear from all my friends back home about how much they love THCA now though. I think you can actually still get that one where I am now like you can still get things like CBN, CBG, etc., but things like Δ8-THC, HHC, and anything ending in -O are definitely off the menu.

It’s weird to me how much the states where cannabis is still illegal have not acted on the alt cannabinoid scene compared to the ones who have. I wonder if they’re just enjoying their states making more money like the legal cannabis states do while still getting to pretend like they have the moral high ground with being against traditional cannabis. I doubt most people who are against cannabis use even know the alt cannabinoid scene exists yet.

For what it’s worth I’d rather have legal cannabis than legal alt cannabinoids. But I’m also against drug prohibition in general and would much rather have the option for both.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

My state recently legalized and there is a bill moving through our state Congress to ban the alt-canabinoids.
The started talking about it during the hearings right after legalization. The day after. They raised the tax on rec called out in our citizens initiative and started on banning the legal 'noids. Sure it's about money.

 

[krkkhed]

Really interesting and useful site you included! I've done quite a few alt noids but the thing that intrigues me the most is still wtf is in those THC-JD carts that are everywhere here in Sweden. The labs are always fake looking and no one seems to know what it really is

 

[Curious Chemist]

The chemical structures of three semisynthetic cannabinoids (CB9, tresconol, and CBx) sold in Europe have recently been identified. All are complex mixtures. The major ingredient of “CB9” is [2-(E)-propen-1-yl]-Δ8-tetrahydrocannabinol-acetate. The major ingredient of “tresconol” is [2-propen-2-yl]-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol, and the major ingredient of “CBx” is [2-propen-2-yl]-Δ8-tetrahydrocannabinol. These compounds are characterized by an additional propenyl or allyl group (red) located at the 2-position of the aromatic ring, which have been added synthetically to circumvent legal restrictions. No pharmacological or toxicological information for these type of compounds is available. "CB9" represents an O-acetate (blue) with the potential for ketene formation upon pyrolysis.

Reference: https://doi.org/10.1002/dta.3866

 

[krkkhed]

The chemical structures of three semisynthetic cannabinoids (CB9, tresconol, and CBx) sold in Europe have recently been identified. All are complex mixtures. The major ingredient of “CB9” is [2-(E)-propen-1-yl]-Δ8-tetrahydrocannabinol-acetate. The major ingredient of “tresconol” is [2-propen-2-yl]-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol, and the major ingredient of “CBx” is [2-propen-2-yl]-Δ8-tetrahydrocannabinol. These compounds are characterized by an additional propenyl or allyl group (red) located at the 2-position of the aromatic ring, which have been added synthetically to circumvent legal restrictions. No pharmacological or toxicological information for these type of compounds is available. "CB9" represents an O-acetate (blue) with the potential for ketene formation upon pyrolysis.

Reference: https://doi.org/10.1002/dta.3866

Super interesting, thank you