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Opioids Canadian Opioid Users

I'm in Vancouver, BC and have been using opiates here for the past ten years.
When I first started there was lots of heroin, and morphine, Dilaudid (hydrophone), Oxycontin, percocets and Tylenol 3's available on the street. Personally, I only used heroin, morphine and sometimes Dilaudid.
Starting in about 2017, the drug supply completely changed. All the heroin on the street became fentanyl or fentanyl analogues. This change caused the overdose crisis and made it much harder for me to be a functional user because it is short acting and the withdrawal comes on quicker, along with the fact that the euphoria lasts maybe a minute.
There is also a lot of street fentanyl with benzodiazepines or other tranquilizers in them now too. It is not accidental and people are now hooked on the benzo dope which makes them black out for a whole day or overdose in a way where Narcan doesn't work.
We have a few Safe Supply programs here where people can get Dilaudid or morphine and there is also a prescription heroin program.
I was on the Dilly program but the fentanyl is so much stronger and so different that shooting the hydromorphone did absolutely nothing for me no matter what dose they gave me, so I gave up on it and am currently waiting to try to get into a program where I can get real heroin or fentanyl patches.

Sorry if this post is too long, I figured I would provide a brief summary of what I have encountered out here.
 
BornToLose said:
I'm in Vancouver, BC and have been using opiates here for the past ten years.
When I first started there was lots of heroin, and morphine, Dilaudid (hydrophone), Oxycontin, percocets and Tylenol 3's available on the street. Personally, I only used heroin, morphine and sometimes Dilaudid.
Starting in about 2017, the drug supply completely changed. All the heroin on the street became fentanyl or fentanyl analogues. This change caused the overdose crisis and made it much harder for me to be a functional user because it is short acting and the withdrawal comes on quicker, along with the fact that the euphoria lasts maybe a minute.
There is also a lot of street fentanyl with benzodiazepines or other tranquilizers in them now too. It is not accidental and people are now hooked on the benzo dope which makes them black out for a whole day or overdose in a way where Narcan doesn't work.
We have a few Safe Supply programs here where people can get Dilaudid or morphine and there is also a prescription heroin program.
I was on the Dilly program but the fentanyl is so much stronger and so different that shooting the hydromorphone did absolutely nothing for me no matter what dose they gave me, so I gave up on it and am currently waiting to try to get into a program where I can get real heroin or fentanyl patches.

Sorry if this post is too long, I figured I would provide a brief summary of what I have encountered out here.
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Thanks for giving your experience, and thanks for joining Bluelight! Welcome! There are a few forums that may interest you. There is the New Members Introduction forum if you'd like to post a thread introducing yourself. There is also the Basic Drug Discussion, and Other Drugs forum, where a lot of the opioid centered conversation happens, as well as this forum here. Take a look around! I hope you stay awhile.

BCski said:
Sorry that I'm posting the same questions that I posted in another thread is not allowed, but wanted to get some help from experienced users of Dilaudid pills.

Is it better to dissolve Dilaudid pills with sterile saline or sterile water? I heard that water was better but not sure exactly why. Maybe the mixture of Dilaudid with 0.9 percent normal saline is too harsh on the veins because of acidity?? Does anybody know the answer to this?

I had used sterile water for injection, but ran out. So, I have these bottles of bacteriostatic 0.9% sterile saline. Not sure if I should use this or not. Also, does anyone know anything about making your solution as close to the isotonicity of blood? Again, maybe this has to do with harshness in the veins/collapse??

Thanks

Thanks
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I can't really say for sure. Honestly it's better to just not inject pills, as the particles inside of it don't dissolve all the way and can really hurt or kill you. From my understanding, it's usually always better to use saline than water when doing IV, as that is what they do in hospitals. But I can't say for sure, that is just my thoughts on it. Maybe someone else has a better answer.
 
deficiT said:
Thanks for giving your experience, and thanks for joining Bluelight! Welcome! There are a few forums that may interest you. There is the New Members Introduction forum if you'd like to post a thread introducing yourself. There is also the Basic Drug Discussion, and Other Drugs forum, where a lot of the opioid centered conversation happens, as well as this forum here. Take a look around! I hope you stay awhile.


I can't really say for sure. Honestly it's better to just not inject pills, as the particles inside of it don't dissolve all the way and can really hurt or kill you. From my understanding, it's usually always better to use saline than water when doing IV, as that is what they do in hospitals. But I can't say for sure, that is just my thoughts on it. Maybe someone else has a better answer.
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Thanks. I appreciate the advice on harm reduction and your thoughts about the saline vs water!
 
yeah I really dont think doctors are interested in a non criminalization approach to opiates. They just want to push suboxone and methadone and get people on it. They'd rather kill people than let them get high off morphine and live a stable life. Just really horrifying to seek help and doctors are maliciously evil because they'd rather let me die than get high.

Really makes it hard to trust healthcare authorities when I see them not really caring about me and getting mad when i'm hospitalized because of their policies on persecuting drug users.
 
doIhavePotential said:
yeah I really dont think doctors are interested in a non criminalization approach to opiates. They just want to push suboxone and methadone and get people on it. They'd rather kill people than let them get high off morphine and live a stable life. Just really horrifying to seek help and doctors are maliciously evil because they'd rather let me die than get high.

Really makes it hard to trust healthcare authorities when I see them not really caring about me and getting mad when i'm hospitalized because of their policies on persecuting drug users.
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Yep that's why I no longer trust them
 
interesting thread. I'm back in Ontario for a bit, noticed theres an abundance of Kadian 100mg Morphine capsules that are given to addicts. Just before I moved to Sweden they were starting to get popular and cheap in my city. Now a year later they are everywhere and super cheap. Dilaudid is also really easy to get and got a lot cheaper which is both good and bad for me
The Kadian are easier to get and cheaper than Percocets now atleast where I am which is crazy.
 
doIhavePotential said:
Holy fuck I finally found a doctor that prescribed morphine suspended release aka kadian

Most just pushed for suboxone
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Canada is really messed up when it comes to scripted opioids for pain. It's bloody ridiculous as the government of Ontario for example has very clearly defined guidelines for the prescribing of opioids yet doctors, for the most part refuse to follow them and just flat out refuse to prescribe.

I have a seriously messed up back that an MRI tech commented one time something to he sentiment of "when did I swallow the hand grenade!" On top of that I suffer from serious neurological pain stemming from a horrendously abusive father who pretty much tuned both myself and my mother up daily from the time I was about 4 years old until I was roughly 16, went through my late growth spurt and was able to hand him his a$$ the very next time he tried that crap on me. For the 12 or so years this went on I had to get really good at distracting my old man into coming at me instead of him beating on my physically disabled mother! Sick, ya I know, he was a very special individual! I was diagnosed with sever ADHD at 6 years old and the resulting behavioral aspects seemed to be the spark to tinder on my old man and just increased the frequency of the beatings. What started with open hands progressed to closed fists pretty rapidly, moved to a leather belt and then cculminated with the heavy metal buckle of the belt.

Needless to say I was left with a ton of resulting long term damage including those lovely shoulder radial fractures that never truly heal, spinal stenosis, herniated and bulging disc(s), a wedge compression fracture near T3/T3 (that one was my fault and the result of a far too late opening of my chute when dropping into the sandbox whilst in the employ of my Uncle Otis and his world famous elevator company! lol. Messed up story that would take far too long to write here and I'm sure it would violate the TOS in some way. Between the trauma,stress/strain to my noggin, a possible TBI hat has never to date been diagnosed, and oh, not to forget, my 1st marriage ending rather abruptly when the vacuous twat announced to the word that I was majorly physically abusive I went through a year or so where I did everything in my singular capacity, to depart this mortal coil, lol .

Now to get back on topic lol. The bottom line is that if anyone needed/deserved to have opioids prescribed it is clearly me but when I moved from Toronto to St Catharines I couldn't find a doctor that was willing to take me on as a patient despite my records showing that I was a model patient without a single black mark on my record. The best I could do was to end up in a junkie clinic on suboxone which was horrible for pain control and when it was time to get off of that horrendous crap low and behold they do not market in Canada the extreme low dose films that would allow you do do it fairly painlessly. Nope. My 1st attempt was to jump off at 1.5mg/day and I have never ever been so drug sick in my life. A whole pile of hassle later I was finally off and vowing that I would never go near that rubbish again!

Now here is the real kicker that ties together some of the other comments in this thread. After multiple bad experiences with idiot doctors lording my meds over me and insurance providers that just flat out didnt want to provide lol, I said screw it and started sourcing my meds myself and under my own guidance and control now I have literally never felt better and I am paying less than what my insurance was costing me . How bloody sick is that?

Ya right, Canada sure does have the premiere medical support system in the world...NOT!
 
fibroguy said:
Canada is really messed up when it comes to scripted opioids for pain. It's bloody ridiculous as the government of Ontario for example has very clearly defined guidelines for the prescribing of opioids yet doctors, for the most part refuse to follow them and just flat out refuse to prescribe.

I have a seriously messed up back that an MRI tech commented one time something to he sentiment of "when did I swallow the hand grenade!" On top of that I suffer from serious neurological pain stemming from a horrendously abusive father who pretty much tuned both myself and my mother up daily from the time I was about 4 years old until I was roughly 16, went through my late growth spurt and was able to hand him his a$$ the very next time he tried that crap on me. For the 12 or so years this went on I had to get really good at distracting my old man into coming at me instead of him beating on my physically disabled mother! Sick, ya I know, he was a very special individual! I was diagnosed with sever ADHD at 6 years old and the resulting behavioral aspects seemed to be the spark to tinder on my old man and just increased the frequency of the beatings. What started with open hands progressed to closed fists pretty rapidly, moved to a leather belt and then cculminated with the heavy metal buckle of the belt.

Needless to say I was left with a ton of resulting long term damage including those lovely shoulder radial fractures that never truly heal, spinal stenosis, herniated and bulging disc(s), a wedge compression fracture near T3/T3 (that one was my fault and the result of a far too late opening of my chute when dropping into the sandbox whilst in the employ of my Uncle Otis and his world famous elevator company! lol. Messed up story that would take far too long to write here and I'm sure it would violate the TOS in some way. Between the trauma,stress/strain to my noggin, a possible TBI hat has never to date been diagnosed, and oh, not to forget, my 1st marriage ending rather abruptly when the vacuous twat announced to the word that I was majorly physically abusive I went through a year or so where I did everything in my singular capacity, to depart this mortal coil, lol .

Now to get back on topic lol. The bottom line is that if anyone needed/deserved to have opioids prescribed it is clearly me but when I moved from Toronto to St Catharines I couldn't find a doctor that was willing to take me on as a patient despite my records showing that I was a model patient without a single black mark on my record. The best I could do was to end up in a junkie clinic on suboxone which was horrible for pain control and when it was time to get off of that horrendous crap low and behold they do not market in Canada the extreme low dose films that would allow you do do it fairly painlessly. Nope. My 1st attempt was to jump off at 1.5mg/day and I have never ever been so drug sick in my life. A whole pile of hassle later I was finally off and vowing that I would never go near that rubbish again!

Now here is the real kicker that ties together some of the other comments in this thread. After multiple bad experiences with idiot doctors lording my meds over me and insurance providers that just flat out didnt want to provide lol, I said screw it and started sourcing my meds myself and under my own guidance and control now I have literally never felt better and I am paying less than what my insurance was costing me . How bloody sick is that?

Ya right, Canada sure does have the premiere medical support system in the world...NOT!
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kadian came pretty easy to me, sucks that not everyone has the same experience
 
was on methadone for 12 years at 230mg now at kadian 2800. How do i make it hit quicker. Oviously wont do it all lol but how much to feel it plugged?
 
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