• Philosophy and Spirituality
    Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Threads of Note Socialize
  • P&S Moderators: JackARoe | Cheshire_Kat

Can you cause something to become real simply by willing it to be?

G

goinginfected

Greenlighter
Joined
Jun 16, 2013
Messages
20
A vague question, but just I read and hear a lot that what you believe and put thought into is what becomes your reality. So hypothetically, if someone was absolutely totally convinced that they were in the matrix. Would they actually be in the matrix? Does this mean if your tricked into believing something by having bad psychedelic experiences, that some delusion can become totally true? Does continuing to think and nurture an idea like this cause it to manifest..?
 
Delusions don't become true. They only cease to be delusions. Most psychiatrists with their objective mentalities on subjective material would most likely start you on neuro-toxic medication. If someone were having delusions as described, go see a therapist/counselor. They tend to use logic and dialectics. Doctors/Psychiatrists on the other hand will just ask you questions down a spread sheet and then start a person on "medication".

You can not make a delusion real through will. You can nurture an unhealthy thought which can be your 'reality'. It will depend under which context this 'reality' occurs (if it is healthy, unhealthy).
 
There's a thing in the Tibetan practice called a 'tulpa'. This is essentially an entity of human form constructed out of the will and energy of the monk, a mental projection that is real enough to the monk. Doesn't mean anyone else can interact with it though.. it exists in that persons mind. It can be a dangerous practice though; the entity can end up becoming your master.

The question you should be asking yourself is why you would want anything to manifest in the first place. Delusions are not something a person should seek.
 
Who or what is asking the question? We're not much different than the characters on the movie screen that we watch. The characters can even be written to be aware that they're in the matrix, but there's not much they can do to escape the movie. A simulation with self-awareness is still a simulation.

At the highest level, every aspect of 'this' is a delusion. There's not much point in trying to split hairs over what is real and what isn't. I imagine that the point is to avoid adding more layers of complication to the illusion that would prevent you, even momentarily, from forgetting the truth -- which is that there is no reality and there is no self perceiving it. Ideally, any tool that you seek outside yourself should be something that enables you to actualize the truth as much as possible, by providing you with a mirror image of the truth in focus. Anything that binds you emotionally or engages intellect is misleading you. Psychedelics could conceivably help, but for many people all it does is add further delusion, especially once you start unfolding the more abstract, psychic realms.

"Unless you make tremendous efforts, you will not be convinced that effort will take you nowhere. The self is so self-confident that unless it is totally discouraged it will not give up. Mere verbal conviction is not enough. Hard facts alone can show the absolute nothingness of the self-image." -Nisargadatta
 
goinginfected said:
Can you cause something to become real simply by willing it to be?
Click to expand...
perhaps you can but i think these types of statements are not intended to be taken literally (as in "if i think hard enough, i can make the golden gate bridge disappear").

consider this quote by goethe:
goethe said:
Until one is committed there is hesitancy, a chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness.

Concerning all acts of initiative and creation, there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans; that the moment that one definitely commit oneself, then providence moves, too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred.

A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favour all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would come his way.

Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it!

Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now!
Click to expand...
i find, very often, these things have more than one layer of meaning or they simply invite us to consider the problem or the challenge from a different - usually more positive - perspective.

related reading: The law of attraction and being positive....really?

alasdair
 
Outside of objective reality; No.

No matter how much i believe I am a soldier fighting Nazi's in the 40's it won't become reality.

There is a subjective reality (what is true to you) and on objective reality (what is true).. I tend to keep as close to the objective reality as my subjective mind will let me ;)
 
Last edited:
on a related note, some philosophers (Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Leibniz, Schelling) consider reality as WILL as such,

willl is not an anthropomorphic principle, but the ultimate principle of reality: "willing" = "being," i.e. willing = manifesting, "it wills/wants to be there,wanting, presencing, presentaficiation, willing, coming forth."
 
-=SS=- said:
There's a thing in the Tibetan practice called a 'tulpa'. This is essentially an entity of human form constructed out of the will and energy of the monk, a mental projection that is real enough to the monk. Doesn't mean anyone else can interact with it though.. it exists in that persons mind. It can be a dangerous practice though; the entity can end up becoming your master.

The question you should be asking yourself is why you would want anything to manifest in the first place. Delusions are not something a person should seek.
Click to expand...

You can construct a God too. God can be a good delusion in that it is the vacuum that soaks up the unconscious stream of thoughts. On the other hand the "entity becoming the master" is how Free Association can spread like poison and sometimes even guided by the teachings themselves, in a fantastical symmetrical absurdity. You can perceive something awful as good but I am afraid, awful delusions, are awful. Good delusions are the ones you've come to know.
 
goinginfected said:
A vague question, but just I read and hear a lot that what you believe and put thought into is what becomes your reality.
Click to expand...

That's basically The Secret isn't it? If I just think hard enough about it and envision myself winning the lottery it's going to happen...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top