Can we help new users avoid the Dark Side? Even if we can't ourselves, ever go back...?

[InspiredInTheUK]

I, like many others on this forum, especially in this sub, have absolutely fucked up my life.

Stuck in a catch 22 situation of needing to use drugs to stop chronic pain, caused by drugs.

On-top of that I abused steroids as a teenager and totally fucked up my hormone system.

I was wondering if there is anyone who can partake in drugs and never cross to the Dark Side, where we are honestly suffering so much but there is no going back?

When did things go wrong for you guys?
When did things stop being fun?
When did your brain chemistry get all messed up and dopamine from regular life didn't work right any more..
How did you lose friends or family members?

How could you have avoided it?

For example, like I said above, I took steroids at age 17, I wish I could tell teen me to not take them, that I would grow naturally in the next 7 years or so and that would feel like all the positive things that come with being on roids, I messed up and should of waited till 25 to decide such things,

We all think we know more than we truly do in our teens, I was in such a rush to grow up, and in a violent environment where I needed to take things like that just for my own safety, I wish I had just left that place instead now.

Also crystal meth,
You can have the strongest will in the world, and it is still so neurotoxic and has such a positive feedback loop, that every use makes your mind more predisposed to using it again, which dulls your brains dopamine, and makes you more likely to "need" a stimulants dopamine. just to function.

So there is definitely substances it is best to avoid, like heroin, where you can take it and its a pretty mild high, but then you fuck up and take it 3 days and you can lose a decade to a battle you could of fought of in 3 days, but it leaves you so weak to it.

Even weed it seems cannot be smoked every day.
I smoked 2-4g daily, all day long, from 16-26 and I guess without a filter tobacco is even more deadly. The long term effects I expected at age 40-65 at worst, I have hit already at age 26. COPD, possibly expected emphysema (the prognosis for this is a bleak short life with decreased quality of life. I'm out of breath when sat still.)

It would of been mentally very hard to stop things age 17-19 when I was first getting into heavier drugs but so much easier than it is nowadays with how bad my health has gotten.

We need to pool our experiences and figure out what amount of poly drug use can be deemed lower risk compared to higher risk.

We all know can research the side effects and the health risks, to ad nauseum, but we I think we would do well to document our experiences and health consequences and track it against our ages of use,

These case studies could help newer users draw a line in the sand for themselves to not cross, I'm not sure how many will listen, but a definitive study of as many users of bluelight, would be incredibly helpful.

Does anyone have any ideas of how we could compile and compare such data in a way that it would be helpful to new users?

Just because many of us are literally dying doesn't mean those that follow in our footsteps should die.

Like is it a fact that if you take hard drugs the effect on your brain is going to be permanent, or could someone say take a specifically small amount of heroin once a week and forever be fine (it is taboo to ask such a thing, but maybe there is a safer way to use harder drugs also)

I am unsure if anyone can take meth even once a year and be unaffected mentally the rest of the time.
Knowing such a dopamine rush and having no way to match it in normal life is damaging.
I thought the same about speed when I would take that at 16-19

Also k seems nice, but it quickly damages your bladder even from what I thought was small amounts of uses, its not very flattering when you try to pick up chicks but need to piss ever 10-20 mins.

So yeah, a reminder to some of our other users to "check yourself before you wreck yourself".

Many new users won't even visit the darkside sub. I didn't, cos the bad stuff wasn't ever going to happen to me, or so I thought.

I personally think if someone smokes weed it should be once a week on weekends or something, no wake and baking, no using it to escape reality. However I smoke 24/7 if I'm awake so I'm a hypocrite for not being able to do it, weeds harder to stop than heroin crack or meth was for me.

Or perhaps its the nicotine cos in the UK we smoke joints, always with baccy.

I think if you are in a good place mentally and predisposed to a good reaction to psychedelics, there is nothing better than shrooms. I actually think they help repair some of the more non reversible effects drugs can have longterm, likeliteral brain damage.

My mind doesn't think the same as it once did. Cognitively I have noticed I am lost off words in conversations, short of breath so must shorten my sentences we don't realise how much of an advantage we have at age 17-21 when we are mostly healthy and able to communicate, travel do whatever we want, like they say "youth is wasted on the young" the bastard is im not even 27 and I'm already fucked. It sycks and I want other young people to enjoy life and not mess up as much as I have. I should be in my prime but I never got to have it. Mostly trying to impress stupid people I never see anymore, cos it was "cool" atthe time.

I play music and I wish I hadn't damaged my hands and arms with iv use, and my fkn ears have tinnitus, possibly from k but probs from massively loud music levels over the years.

Look after yourselves. Future you needs you to be there for them.

Don't get to the point where its live in suffering and increasingly realising that there isn't any more "good times" ahead of you, whether its relationships, jobs or a damaged cognitive state. You don't want this.

Are there any successful drug users who discovered how to partake without it getting out of hand?

People like me have no choice but abstinence or die a horrible death at this point. I probably will die of what I've done already, its about extending my life by simply stopping shortening it.

But is there hope for the younger users who look to this forum as I did as a 14 year old kid first trying things, is there a way we can show the consequences of different levels of use, that if you do x and y for z amount of time, you will have % chance of ending up like a, b or c.
Etc. With graphs with quantitive and case studies filled with qualitative data.

How do we answer questions for people who don't yet know the information they need to know about, the questions we don't ask because we didn't know to yet.

Any thoughts?
How can we stop newer users from ever reaching over to the DarkSide.
Or is there no hope, like there sadly wasn't for me. Despite all of this sites best advice, that was all correct, does it just fall down to the fact its on ourselves to "check ourselves before we wreck ourselves".

Sorry if the post is a bit ranty. I would just like to make our suffering not be for nothing.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

What a heartfelt and honest approach. Nice post.

Welcome to Bluelight and I really hope you stick around and help other members and you will also receive help as well.

Very insightful first post. Please make more.

 

[n3ophy7e]

This is such a great thread with lots of discussion potential, thank you for posting it and sharing your story with us
I'm going to bed now but I am going to reply to this tomorrow. I wanna give it my full attention.

 

[InspiredInTheUK]

As a long time observer of this forum, for over a decade now, but a never-before poster. I wish I had decided to make an account to post earlier.

Just because you can Google (well used to be able to, now duckduckgo instead) search and find your own questions answered by someone else's thread, sometimes it helps to get personalised advice rather than look to someone else's thread.

Especially if there isn't an active thread about the topic, or the thread is older.
We have a lot more information about the effects of things like Mephedrone and some Cannabanoids than we did years ago.

I avoided joining Bluelight as a member, asking questions etc. because it seemed almost every question had already been answered, they pretty much had been.

Looking back perhaps it would of helped to get personalised responses, or at least add on to any thread that was still active about the topic.

I look forward to sharing my experiences and knowledge to help make this a safer place - as I have seen members (come and gone) do for many years~
Especially about psychedelics, having tried over 50+ types of them I feel I could really add to the discussion.

It is a pleasure to finally make acquaintance with you all.

 

[December Flower]

The short answer: no, but

The long answer: It's hard to put "drugs" into one container, mixing it and saying it's all the same soup, so there are most certainly very beneficial drugs, that can be taken for a long time without issue.

First thing that comes to mind are ofc body-own drugs, most are hard to abuse, and while they can create a certain sort of dependancy, it's usually very healthy to push dopamine/adrenaline/endorphine etc. -levels. Only massive stimulation through drugs, excessive porn/sex/sports, excessive behaviour in general makes this dangerous. This has been a discussion for quite some time in medicine: how can body-own drugs teach us about creating our own drugs? These neurotransmitters are crucial for survival, so there is no "going without the drugs". Interesting topic

Second: Sugar, Salt, minerals, these are also crucial for survival, obviously. This is why I dislike the term "drugs", because essentially anything is a drug, and most of that is important for survival

Third: Tea. No need for further explanation. Very beneficial.

Fourth: I don't like your assertion of weed. You obviously smoked too much tobacco with your weed, but that's hardly the weed's fault.
Weed and I share a 17-year-old day-to-day relationship now, and neither of us have complained.
Actually I have much more hair than my father did at my age(he was almost bald already, I have hair like a girl ), I'm rather healthy, aside from musician's arthritis. My lungs are fine, my mind is fine, I'm doing absolutely fucking wonderful with weed.

 

[Robi]

going to make my near adopted stray punk kid , put down fortnite or whatever it is hes fixated on and his bong and redbulls and read all this or no more using my phone and rides to ucky tacolax i mean taco bell, you all are priceless, brilliant minds despite it all ,should make(ask) his troubled *(meth) parent too,they are soooo young, bright blessings

 

[Robi]

As a long time observer of this forum, for over a decade now, but a never-before poster. I wish I had decided to make an account to post earlier.

Just because you can Google (well used to be able to, now duckduckgo instead) search and find your own questions answered by someone else's thread, sometimes it helps to get personalised advice rather than look to someone else's thread.

Especially if there isn't an active thread about the topic, or the thread is older.
We have a lot more information about the effects of things like Mephedrone and some Cannabanoids than we did years ago.

I avoided joining Bluelight as a member, asking questions etc. because it seemed almost every question had already been answered, they pretty much had been.

Looking back perhaps it would of helped to get personalised responses, or at least add on to any thread that was still active about the topic.

I look forward to sharing my experiences and knowledge to help make this a safer place - as I have seen members (come and gone) do for many years~
Especially about psychedelics, having tried over 50+ types of them I feel I could really add to the discussion.

It is a pleasure to finally make acquaintance with you all.

my pleasure as well, im very new here , but glad youre here and always feel welcomed

 

[Robi]

I, like many others on this forum, especially in this sub, have absolutely fucked up my life.

Stuck in a catch 22 situation of needing to use drugs to stop chronic pain, caused by drugs.

On-top of that I abused steroids as a teenager and totally fucked up my hormone system.

I was wondering if there is anyone who can partake in drugs and never cross to the Dark Side, where we are honestly suffering so much but there is no going back?

When did things go wrong for you guys?
When did things stop being fun?
When did your brain chemistry get all messed up and dopamine from regular life didn't work right any more..
How did you lose friends or family members?

How could you have avoided it?

For example, like I said above, I took steroids at age 17, I wish I could tell teen me to not take them, that I would grow naturally in the next 7 years or so and that would feel like all the positive things that come with being on roids, I messed up and should of waited till 25 to decide such things,

We all think we know more than we truly do in our teens, I was in such a rush to grow up, and in a violent environment where I needed to take things like that just for my own safety, I wish I had just left that place instead now.

Also crystal meth,
You can have the strongest will in the world, and it is still so neurotoxic and has such a positive feedback loop, that every use makes your mind more predisposed to using it again, which dulls your brains dopamine, and makes you more likely to "need" a stimulants dopamine. just to function.

So there is definitely substances it is best to avoid, like heroin, where you can take it and its a pretty mild high, but then you fuck up and take it 3 days and you can lose a decade to a battle you could of fought of in 3 days, but it leaves you so weak to it.

Even weed it seems cannot be smoked every day.
I smoked 2-4g daily, all day long, from 16-26 and I guess without a filter tobacco is even more deadly. The long term effects I expected at age 40-65 at worst, I have hit already at age 26. COPD, possibly expected emphysema (the prognosis for this is a bleak short life with decreased quality of life. I'm out of breath when sat still.)

It would of been mentally very hard to stop things age 17-19 when I was first getting into heavier drugs but so much easier than it is nowadays with how bad my health has gotten.

We need to pool our experiences and figure out what amount of poly drug use can be deemed lower risk compared to higher risk.

We all know can research the side effects and the health risks, to ad nauseum, but we I think we would do well to document our experiences and health consequences and track it against our ages of use,

These case studies could help newer users draw a line in the sand for themselves to not cross, I'm not sure how many will listen, but a definitive study of as many users of bluelight, would be incredibly helpful.

Does anyone have any ideas of how we could compile and compare such data in a way that it would be helpful to new users?

Just because many of us are literally dying doesn't mean those that follow in our footsteps should die.

Like is it a fact that if you take hard drugs the effect on your brain is going to be permanent, or could someone say take a specifically small amount of heroin once a week and forever be fine (it is taboo to ask such a thing, but maybe there is a safer way to use harder drugs also)

I am unsure if anyone can take meth even once a year and be unaffected mentally the rest of the time.
Knowing such a dopamine rush and having no way to match it in normal life is damaging.
I thought the same about speed when I would take that at 16-19

Also k seems nice, but it quickly damages your bladder even from what I thought was small amounts of uses, its not very flattering when you try to pick up chicks but need to piss ever 10-20 mins.

So yeah, a reminder to some of our other users to "check yourself before you wreck yourself".

Many new users won't even visit the darkside sub. I didn't, cos the bad stuff wasn't ever going to happen to me, or so I thought.

I personally think if someone smokes weed it should be once a week on weekends or something, no wake and baking, no using it to escape reality. However I smoke 24/7 if I'm awake so I'm a hypocrite for not being able to do it, weeds harder to stop than heroin crack or meth was for me.

Or perhaps its the nicotine cos in the UK we smoke joints, always with baccy.

I think if you are in a good place mentally and predisposed to a good reaction to psychedelics, there is nothing better than shrooms. I actually think they help repair some of the more non reversible effects drugs can have longterm, likeliteral brain damage.

My mind doesn't think the same as it once did. Cognitively I have noticed I am lost off words in conversations, short of breath so must shorten my sentences we don't realise how much of an advantage we have at age 17-21 when we are mostly healthy and able to communicate, travel do whatever we want, like they say "youth is wasted on the young" the bastard is im not even 27 and I'm already fucked. It sycks and I want other young people to enjoy life and not mess up as much as I have. I should be in my prime but I never got to have it. Mostly trying to impress stupid people I never see anymore, cos it was "cool" atthe time.

I play music and I wish I hadn't damaged my hands and arms with iv use, and my fkn ears have tinnitus, possibly from k but probs from massively loud music levels over the years.

Look after yourselves. Future you needs you to be there for them.

Don't get to the point where its live in suffering and increasingly realising that there isn't any more "good times" ahead of you, whether its relationships, jobs or a damaged cognitive state. You don't want this.

Are there any successful drug users who discovered how to partake without it getting out of hand?

People like me have no choice but abstinence or die a horrible death at this point. I probably will die of what I've done already, its about extending my life by simply stopping shortening it.

But is there hope for the younger users who look to this forum as I did as a 14 year old kid first trying things, is there a way we can show the consequences of different levels of use, that if you do x and y for z amount of time, you will have % chance of ending up like a, b or c.
Etc. With graphs with quantitive and case studies filled with qualitative data.

How do we answer questions for people who don't yet know the information they need to know about, the questions we don't ask because we didn't know to yet.

Any thoughts?
How can we stop newer users from ever reaching over to the DarkSide.
Or is there no hope, like there sadly wasn't for me. Despite all of this sites best advice, that was all correct, does it just fall down to the fact its on ourselves to "check ourselves before we wreck ourselves".

Sorry if the post is a bit ranty. I would just like to make our suffering not be for nothing.

not ranty, bloody brilliant and genuine, never read , heard, felt anything like it, you are treasured

 

[InspiredInTheUK]

The short answer: no, but



The long answer: It's hard to put "drugs" into one container, mixing it and saying it's all the same soup, so there are most certainly very beneficial drugs, that can be taken for a long time without issue.



First thing that comes to mind are ofc body-own drugs, most are hard to abuse, and while they can create a certain sort of dependancy, it's usually very healthy to push dopamine/adrenaline/endorphine etc. -levels. Only massive stimulation through drugs, excessive porn/sex/sports, excessive behaviour in general makes this dangerous. This has been a discussion for quite some time in medicine: how can body-own drugs teach us about creating our own drugs? These neurotransmitters are crucial for survival, so there is no "going without the drugs". Interesting topic



Second: Sugar, Salt, minerals, these are also crucial for survival, obviously. This is why I dislike the term "drugs", because essentially anything is a drug, and most of that is important for survival



Third: Tea. No need for further explanation. Very beneficial.



Fourth: I don't like your assertion of weed. You obviously smoked too much tobacco with your weed, but that's hardly the weed's fault.

Weed and I share a 17-year-old day-to-day relationship now, and neither of us have complained.

Actually I have much more hair than my father did at my age(he was almost bald already, I have hair like a girl ), I'm rather healthy, aside from musician's arthritis. My lungs are fine, my mind is fine, I'm doing absolutely fucking wonderful with weed.

I agree, my relationship with weed is kind of obstructed by the partnering it with tobacco. Not to mention times in my life where I would smoke meth or crack. I can hardly blame weed for my diseased lungs.



It seems weed is one of the most safe drugs out there. It would be interesting to talk to some people out there who have;

(A.) only ever smoked weed,

(B.)some who only ever smoked weed and drank alcohol too,

(C.)some people who did weed, drank and did party drugs, and...

(D.) people who did all the above and hard drugs.



Compare that to (E.) Teetotaller, no recreational drugs of any kind.



It would be interesting to see how much weed can effect your lungs over a lifetime, there's studies out there but it could be better understood, especially now its being legalised in more peoples local contexts.



~~~



Also, I agree with what you say about all things we take in as foods also being "drugs". Even exercise could be viewed as "intoxicating".



It also makes me wonder if it is possible to synthesise an 100% safe drug.

Or could we create a drug that fights back against the building blocks of addiction?
Something that helps us regain function of damaged dopamine receptors,

Or something that can allow the body to stop the use of opiates without entering a classic withdrawl, that could be used for 3-7 days and then stopped, like a bandage, and when you stop your body is fine. For pain patients and trauma victims this would be a godsend. Long term pain victims could use it to lower tolerance over long periods of time.

(I highly doubt this is possible btw, I think opiates and how they work is highly linked to withdrawl, I don't think we can separate the two. I do wonder if there is any other way to treat pain that won't have the risks associated with opiates. Probably some kind of futuristic nerve therapies and surgeries will be the answer one day, but most likely if any pain medication even if structurally different to opiates is discovered , I wouldn't be surprised if it also caused dependence in its own ways.)

Or will the methods of action, being on neurotransmitters, always have long term negative consequences of some kind, is being sober truly optimal for the brain, or would something like a "limitless" drug be possible (like the movie or series - where it allows you to use your brain 1000x better in some way), some kind of "Nootropic" that actually does what it says on the tin, which as far as I see doesn't really exist outside of possibly micro dosing some psychedelics, and even then I am not sure

Fascinating stuff tho

 

[Robi]

The short answer: no, but

The long answer: It's hard to put "drugs" into one container, mixing it and saying it's all the same soup, so there are most certainly very beneficial drugs, that can be taken for a long time without issue.

First thing that comes to mind are ofc body-own drugs, most are hard to abuse, and while they can create a certain sort of dependancy, it's usually very healthy to push dopamine/adrenaline/endorphine etc. -levels. Only massive stimulation through drugs, excessive porn/sex/sports, excessive behaviour in general makes this dangerous. This has been a discussion for quite some time in medicine: how can body-own drugs teach us about creating our own drugs? These neurotransmitters are crucial for survival, so there is no "going without the drugs". Interesting topic

Second: Sugar, Salt, minerals, these are also crucial for survival, obviously. This is why I dislike the term "drugs", because essentially anything is a drug, and most of that is important for survival

Third: Tea. No need for further explanation. Very beneficial.

Fourth: I don't like your assertion of weed. You obviously smoked too much tobacco with your weed, but that's hardly the weed's fault.
Weed and I share a 17-year-old day-to-day relationship now, and neither of us have complained.
Actually I have much more hair than my father did at my age(he was almost bald already, I have hair like a girl ), I'm rather healthy, aside from musician's arthritis. My lungs are fine, my mind is fine, I'm doing absolutely fucking wonderful with weed.

so many herbal teas are my life now, ty for info and sharing, im a health nut, or maybe just a nut* eats a bug

 

[December Flower]

so many herbal teas are my life now, ty for info and sharing, im a health nut, or maybe just a nut* eats a bug

If you want to keep your system healthy, my advice is to add about 10-20 ml of 100% pure lemon juice to a glass of water and drink that every morning after you had at least a few bites to eat (as to not compromise your stomach stability)

Anyone who does illegal substances regularly should most definitely do this, in order to reduce some of the damage. If there is a God: Lemons are her/his sacred fruit. They are fucking amazing.

 

[n3ophy7e]

If you want to keep your system healthy, my advice is to add about 10-20 ml of 100% pure lemon juice to a glass of water and drink that every morning after you had at least a few bites to eat (as to not compromise your stomach stability)

Anyone who does illegal substances regularly should most definitely do this, in order to reduce some of the damage. If there is a God: Lemons are her/his sacred fruit. They are fucking amazing.

I COMPLETELY agree with the fresh lemon juice in water thing!! I did this for a long time and it's such a great start to the day.

 

[Robi]

If you want to keep your system healthy, my advice is to add about 10-20 ml of 100% pure lemon juice to a glass of water and drink that every morning after you had at least a few bites to eat (as to not compromise your stomach stability)

Anyone who does illegal substances regularly should most definitely do this, in order to reduce some of the damage. If there is a God: Lemons are her/his sacred fruit. They are fucking amazing.

i do i do, near cured leaky gut, but as of last week i got a four scripts, ditched one, avoiding one , trying the damn ssri, and tummy isnt happy , so im double timing eating raw foods, eating fermented foods no junk at all, and its saving me, i love lemon water, i cook with lemon and coconut oil, god is golden milk too. ty December, really thinking of ditching all chemicals, they are so wrong for me, i can get this anxiety and insomnia helped naturally, just my life, i feel in my heart allthese new drugs arent for me, my path, i reached out for help but maybe cbt and no chemical is best for ME

 

[dragonix]

Curiosity killed the cat? Nine lives? God or Buddha's helper had an alien implant a brain inside me when I should have dropped dead on a two to three week 2C-B-FLY binge.

Now would you rather have me help or a certified counselor?

Haha I think if you want to try go for it I know I can't decide the choices of others I think the school system is shot fixing that might be a good idea too to reduce drug addiction rates.

I mean I am damaged in ways I don't want a neurologist telling me about I will try to befriend God even after a recent binge I had God = Dog by Behemoth playing they might pull the plug on my brain out of disgust for that.

All I know for certain is I can no longer act like drugs are the right tools for me thank goodness I have no chronic pain issues since my drug taking issues are so severe.

 

[dragonix]

i do i do, near cured leaky gut, but as of last week i got a four scripts, ditched one, avoiding one , trying the damn ssri, and tummy isnt happy , so im double timing eating raw foods, eating fermented foods no junk at all, and its saving me, i love lemon water, i cook with lemon and coconut oil, god is golden milk too. ty December, really thinking of ditching all chemicals, they are so wrong for me, i can get this anxiety and insomnia helped naturally, just my life, i feel in my heart allthese new drugs arent for me, my path, i reached out for help but maybe cbt and no chemical is best for ME

Good stuff

 

[December Flower]

i do i do, near cured leaky gut, but as of last week i got a four scripts, ditched one, avoiding one , trying the damn ssri, and tummy isnt happy , so im double timing eating raw foods, eating fermented foods no junk at all, and its saving me, i love lemon water, i cook with lemon and coconut oil, god is golden milk too. ty December, really thinking of ditching all chemicals, they are so wrong for me, i can get this anxiety and insomnia helped naturally, just my life, i feel in my heart allthese new drugs arent for me, my path, i reached out for help but maybe cbt and no chemical is best for ME

I work in therapy, specifically medication-free therapy, so musical, arts, occupational, cognitive, ergo, ..., this goes on for a while, and I have to say I'm not a friend of curing anything by giving the body some synthetic stimulants or depressants, not a fan of ssri. Once you depend on a substance, your body cannot function properly without the substance. There is always a gamble. Say you have occasional headaches. Take the best headache medicine ever for a while. Then you stop taking it, you get headaches more often and with more intensity.

I'm a fan of doing sports. I'm a fan of actively triggering and using your body-own drugs. Making music, learning an instrument, drawing/painting, doing something to make these neurotransmitters give you your "rush" on their own, no medication needed. If someone treats their body like a garbage bin, how fucking surprised am I that they're depressed/stressed out/unstable/addicts? Not at all, it's only biological.

Our instinct wants dopamine. Dopamine essentially tells us to fuck,(and eat and move and drink and ...) but gets released during similarly pleasing abilities. With today's availability, it's easy to fuck up your dopamine system (TV, PC, porn, gambling, hard drugs, and so on). Once that dopamine system is fucked up, it's hard to get it back to normal, because your own body will subtly push you to do whatever still releases dopamine for you. That's drug-addiction in a nutshell, but also the reason why we're alive.

So how to deal with all that? Treat your body well, that's literally the only thing a (theoretically) healthy individual needs. Ofc there are certain conditions that need medication or the physical pain would be intolerable, or other symptoms would make life unbearable, or a patient is so old that opioid dependance isn't really an issue anymore.

But as long as none of that is the case, I think anyone can have a good and satisfied life just by treating their body well. Also a much longer life.
If we treat our CNS well there is no telling how old we could get and still be healthy.

 

[Robi]

I work in therapy, specifically medication-free therapy, so musical, arts, occupational, cognitive, ergo, ..., this goes on for a while, and I have to say I'm not a friend of curing anything by giving the body some synthetic stimulants or depressants, not a fan of ssri. Once you depend on a substance, your body cannot function properly without the substance. There is always a gamble. Say you have occasional headaches. Take the best headache medicine ever for a while. Then you stop taking it, you get headaches more often and with more intensity.

I'm a fan of doing sports. I'm a fan of actively triggering and using your body-own drugs. Making music, learning an instrument, drawing/painting, doing something to make these neurotransmitters give you your "rush" on their own, no medication needed. If someone treats their body like a garbage bin, how fucking surprised am I that they're depressed/stressed out/unstable/addicts? Not at all, it's only biological.

Our instinct wants dopamine. Dopamine essentially tells us to fuck,(and eat and move and drink and ...) but gets released during similarly pleasing abilities. With today's availability, it's easy to fuck up your dopamine system (TV, PC, porn, gambling, hard drugs, and so on). Once that dopamine system is fucked up, it's hard to get it back to normal, because your own body will subtly push you to do whatever still releases dopamine for you. That's drug-addiction in a nutshell, but also the reason why we're alive.

So how to deal with all that? Treat your body well, that's literally the only thing a (theoretically) healthy individual needs. Ofc there are certain conditions that need medication or the physical pain would be intolerable, or other symptoms would make life unbearable, or a patient is so old that opioid dependance isn't really an issue anymore.

But as long as none of that is the case, I think anyone can have a good and satisfied life just by treating their body well. Also a much longer life.
If we treat our CNS well there is no telling how old we could get and still be healthy.

i so love that, i really dont want this ssri, ive educated self on how it works on receptors, just life is being extra hard and doc loaded me up, but yes your words are gold to me, going to take this for one month be it good or bad , tho i suppose it can take months , but just one month then ditching it, this 10 mg celexa doesnt seem to be killing me like at first 3 buspar and the celexa the first few days, but yes, after taking care of some family shit, im going to get it together my way, and to those that take anti depressants and are doing great, hell to the yes for you!its just my dang surroundings and i fell in to a trap(a trap for ME), ty so much for that reply, im a bit manic rt now, crazy day like yah wouldnt believe so i might sound a bit miscombobulted but i dont care much, ty ty ty

 

[Electrum1]

Yeah Idk, trying to help somebody stop short of going where I went in the past, but they seem highly motivated to continue making the same mistakes I did, and even exceed beyond that. Just gotta keep trying I guess.

I'm the new user tho, so its reversed from the thread title

 

[Kellsee]

Idk because its like they have just arrived at a party that you've already decided sucked. They are still caught up in all the pretty colors and are anxious to discover whats in each room. You are just trying to find the back door so you can get out.

 

[Kellsee]

I think you may have possibly been responding to me, coukd be wrong, so, I'm talking about Acklac tho. He's well beyond the pretty colors.

no I was referring to warning others about the risks of the dark side....with Acklac...yeah he is way beyond the pretty colors...hes even been out the back door but keeps coming back inside lol

but seriously tho with him what seems so aggravating is that he seems like such a smart guy and is still kinda coming from a good place....but that meth tho...its a helluva drug lol