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Can Psychotropics affect the External world as well as the Internal one?

Japhy

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I've had multiple experiences where I've been taking uppers and feeling positive when, suddenly, external occurrences happened—getting contacted by a friend who I hadn't talked to in a long time, getting a job offer, etc.—that couldn't be attributed to any action I had taken, via any number of degrees of separation.

Similarly, I've had the converse happen: when I'm feeling depressed in the moment, or having just taken some type of downer, a friend will cancel on me or I will get a phone call with bad news, and there is no scientific rationale for how it could have happened.

Even given the Butterfly Effect theory, it makes me sometimes wonder if external events which happen TO us are actually significantly related to our inner state, in a non-scientific sense.

Along the same line of thinking, it's like that all-too-common and eerie scenario of getting contacted by an ex-lover on the day you break up with your current one.

Is this idea delusional?
 
My opinion: I think that we're all connected to each other, mentally. I've had numerous experiences where the memory of a person will pop into my head for absolutely no reason, someone I haven't seen in years, and then later on I'll check my email or messages and boom, there's a message waiting asking how I'm doing. Substances lower the threshold of perception, IMO, to this mental layer that is usually hidden from view. I think it's possible that people with mental illnesses can also perceive bits of this layer but it's information overload and they can't handle it properly. I think there's a good reason why it's hidden from our view.

As for your idea.. I wouldn't pursue it through the avenue of substance use. Easy to slip into delusional thinking, or open yourself to mental illness. Explore the idea sober, and by explore I mean contemplate it. Sometimes it's better to wonder than to dive in head first.
 
It may be a perceptual threshold thing as mentioned above, or it may be a vibrational thing. People who feel joy and live from their hearts tend to attract more of the same, versus down and out people. I never used to be someone who believed in the law of attraction until I noticed all the amazing things that started happening when I shifted into love consciousness. It's not merely selective attention, there is a qualitative difference in external circumstances between the higher and lower states of being.
 
I have had numerous experiences that I (subjectively) equate to the idea of a "contact high" with psychedelics - which I have discussed on bluelight before, and could post a link to - but I'm not sure if that is the sort of thing you're talking about, OP?
 
I try to attack such questions by beginning with the fundamental condition that the division between one's self and one's environment as experienced by agents is illusory, the particular illusion that manifests structured by those conditions of possibility for the emergence of the particular agent in question (ie, self, in this case). Instead, we must turn our attention to the logical primacy of the self-other interaction itself, in producing both self-hood and other-hood. In this way, as agents investigate, and in particular as they do so collaboratively, they actually transform the character of the interaction that produces this investigation. While we transform our environment materially via technology, this transformation is also bound with those conceptual frameworks which render technological transformation possible but also intelligible, these frameworks of meaning bound with production of an interpersonal sphere of cooperative linkage of material activity rooted in its participants' shared understanding of this cooperation.

In this way, our perspective literally transforms the world, as the world for us is inextricably nested within (and in dynamic interaction with) that part of the world as of yet untouched by our investigation. To sum this condition up, as we investigate, examine, construct, assess, etc., we transform the world for us, this world nested within a wider structure that conditions what types of investigations could possibly emerge, but the exercise of this agency in turn transforms the space of possibilities for future investigation.

A (side?) note: while this agent-environment interaction presents moments intelligible in terms of materiality, cognition, information, intersubjectivity, etc., this is not to say that material conditions, cognitive schemata, a core "self", etc. exist logically prior to that interaction, structuring its form, or standing as unitary entities that later meet in interaction. Instead, all of these ways of understanding our place in the world, and indeed what things that world might contain, are in a more rigorous sense themselves emergent properties of this (partially ineffable) ongoing, interactive process and the wider context which cultivates it. However, due to the circumstances in which we've emerged as agents, we are prone to mistake these fuzzy, fluid, contextually determined aspects of our relationship with our environment as static, stable "things" that later meet in interaction, or static characteristics (or even laws) governing how different 'things' may interact. These 'things' include an "I", a "me" (set in dynamic but ambiguous relation), our very experience of a material world external to us, etc. However, though lacking logical primacy, our reckoning with the cognitive tools we create/discover bears its indelible mark on that interactive process; logical primacy stands distinct from strictly temporal causal primacy.

To return to your question, insofar as we use psychoactive drugs as cognitive tools, we alter the body of preconditions giving rise to cognition, allowing for the cultivation of novel perception, assessment, inference, conceptual analysis, etc. As applied, these patterns of cognition alter not only how we understand our place in interaction with the world but the very course this interaction will take. Now, I am pretty skeptical that psychedelics could transform the material world (or allow for direct telepathy, remote viewing, etc.) in ways often literally described by the nature of the psychedelic experience. Like the illusions of everyday experience, the content of psychedelic experiences demands critical interpretation, to set the fruits of such cognitive exploration in relation with and application to our ongoing interaction with our environment. For example, just as my perception of this keyboard (or even experiencing it as a distinct, discrete entity in the first place!) is refracted through the lens of my interaction with it, obscuring the keyboard 'as it is' (as if such a thing could exist at all!), the changes in the bases of cognition brought on by psychedelia often present themselves in terms of sensory fireworks, narrative analogies, metaphorical extension, spiritual symbols, directly experience psychic or emotional 'energy', etc., none of which directly explain psychedelia's direct neuro-informational bases. However, as with belief in God, application of belief in the psychedelic experience can drastically transform how one understands and navigates their situation.

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