Can I regain control? Bad situation again.

Soap MacTavish

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I'll try to condense my story as much as possible, but there is a point to the intro.

I'm writing this long introductory story as part question to you and part warning to others who may be on this path and can relate. It is a tale of addictions and mental disorders.

It starts out with teachers sending me to school psychologists for tests because they thought something was wrong with me. They thought this because I never paid attention in class nor could I if I tried, nor did I ever do any homework. (back then they were not as aware and hot on spotting ADD as they are now) The psychologists would all say the same thing; I'm smart, high i.q. so it's they don't know what is wrong and "he will grow out of it later."

I never grew out of it. I was not even able to follow a conversation or remember a persons name, I would forget what a person was talking about and drift in and out and feel nervous. And so early on I became socially awkward and I was alienated by my peers. Eventually I was alienated by the people I loved; my parents. My father(who could never deal with frustration) would occasionally beat me because they knew I was smart but just "was not applying myself". My dad "found no pleasure" in hitting me in the face and kicking me into a corner to get me to comply. All the while screaming at me with intense rage about how the world was going to eat me alive and filling me with his own distrusts and paranoid fears and rejection of society. The omnipresent threat of physical danger invaded the sanctuary of my home and shattered the final pillars of security in my mind. Here's the part where my daydream of 30 years begins. In a home this hostile there was nowhere to go except my daydream world full of the strange and amazing. Here I could hyper-focus and concentrate and control.

So right out of the gates of life I'm labeled as some misfit right away. I was cast out of normal world to the fringes of society, to the only subcultures that would have me, the outcasts in the garbage can of life. And so I was raised by wolves. And of course as the outcasts we are treated by society as such. There were a lot of rejection. I got into fights and impulsive behavior and lashing out at the world I longed to be a part of.

At an early age I learned to wear an armor, it was false bravado, I put on armor that looked like it was made of iron but really it was just a facade made of fear.

Nothing ever changed. Fear was always by my side. My inability to focus or remember anything got so bad eventually I failed a grade and had to repeat it in high school. No matter how hard I tried and no matter how high my resolve I was failing to stay focused or organized. I seemed to have very little control over my impulses. I was unable to read a single page of a book without reprocessing it 5 to 10 times. As a result I was unable to read a whole book in my life. I was also seemingly 100% unable to pass anything but the most remedial math classes.

I essentially flunked my way through high school for 5 years and then they just passed me to get me out. I was already into drugs at this point and had given up on fitting in and having any sort of normal life in society, my girlfriend who I loved dumped me. I was lost and now in terrible fucking fear of my future. So I didn't face my problems, I retreated, as I always have to the only safe place, my fantasy daydream world.

All of this resulted in a rapid loss of self esteem. After all, the way I saw it I must really be a stupid lazy retard like they say, since I didn't know my thought processes were any different than anyone elses. So here is the part where the final pillar of self esteem came crumbling down. I became a doormat. A pathetic people-pleaser. And eventually there was nothing but a hole, a vacuum that needed to be filled with material things to dull the pain and sorrow. And the daydream continued on for years. In the dream I did not have problems, it became a divergent construct of my fabricated reality.

My adult life eventually became a constant search for material things to posses and control and fill the hole. I eventually joined the marines and was in Iraq in the GW1 invasion and I was not prepared for the harsh realities of combat. I saw death and horrible things happen to bodies and became even more horrified and hollowed out and panicked. It made all life seem to have no worth. I went AWOL, told them what happened to me and that I was essentially shell-shocked and was dishonorably discharged.

I did what i had to, I escaped every chance I got, I wore masks, I told lies, I stole, I did whatever anyone wanted out of me. I felt there was no point to my existence. I did not feel anything and I abused numbing agents of all type to lessen the hold reality was trying to take on me, it became a constant battle.

Eventually I was hooked on every drug and in rehabs for every drug, in and out many times, and in AA and NA and I came to believe that I was what they told me in those rooms; powerless and hopeless. It didn't matter though, because even now I was still undiagnosed for ADD and did not know the root of all this hell I lived. I strayed back out many times and returned many times to no avail. I went to many shrinks and psyche wards and the doctors spent their time treating the RESULTS of my ADD but not the disorder itself. The depression and addictions and anxiety and rage were all a result of undiagnosed ADD which is the root of the damages and the hole that still needed feeding. Nothing ever changed.

So more years go by in my daydream. More brain damage. More relationships destroyed.

I eventually found a woman who was as damaged and sick as I was and fell instantly in love. We got pregnant because I felt I was so utterly worthless that was one way I could keep her, by knocking her up. So it happened. We got married and had 2 more unplanned kids. I eventually slowed down and the outward appearance was that I had slowed down and become more stable, when really it was just another mask and internally I was in pure terror of being discovered who I really was and that I hadn't actually changed. My fear of success helped me shy away from every good chance that came my way. The internal compression of all this pain became too much and I started back on smack again and in no time back in rehab again and in no time lost my job again and was homeless and penniless and living under bridges and eating garbage.

I eventually pulled myself up out of there with the help of the VA and some AA people and found my way back in early 07. By a miracle I ended up getting a good job and living back with my wife and kids. Still even here I am undiagnosed as ADD. I was seeing many psychiatrists and psychologists again and getting treated for all my results of undiagnosed ADD again and again ADD is totally overlooked and no one catches it nor do I have any idea I have it.

I kept wondering why after so many years of making the same mistakes and foolish impulsive bad decisions I never seemed to learn from it. How could this be? Was I an addict and that's that? I never believed it was that simple.

The docs put band aides on me but the core was left untreated. Nothing changed. I didn't get better. I stayed off hard drugs and found a new legal one; food. I started overeating and binging on food to fill the hole and now I wore my undiagnosed mental disease for all to see. I started including whiskey in the mix and constant video gaming and constant masturbation and ANY other distraction I could get my hands on to get my mind away from ME.

And all the while, years and years later I am still making terrible decisions and having evidently no impulse control. I might have been under treatment for depression and anxiety but there was no treatment for bad decision making and poor impulse control that I ever heard of or was offered (Here is the ADD causing it all and being left untreated again) So again, nothing really changed.

My poor judgment and impulse control and binge eating and drinking and now nearly constant numbing of my feelings again I felt I was at a point where I was spiraling down again totally out of control. It seemed like there was no human power that could end my suffering. And then it all collapsed, my poor judgment and constant distance from reality and fear of human interaction and public speaking ended up costing me my good job.

I eventually ended up 6 months ago at the shrinks again, and this time, I was totally honest and she put the puzzle pieces together, I took some tests and got diagnosed with ADD and PTSD.

So after all that reading here is where the new trouble begins. I was given a script of Adderall and by God they were right, I have been walking around like a blind man, and they really have found my problem. For the first time in my life I was able to still my mind and see through all the static and fog and chatter with laser efficiency. The effect was instant and breathtaking. Never had I seen or even known of this world before where there is order and simplicity and focus and completion and follow through and memorization and math. A beam of light cracked though the false bravado and the armor of self preservation I had worn for 30 years. And almost more importantly I finally knew what happened to me all those years ago and how I ended up in all that muck. The puzzle pieces came flying at me at light speed and it all made perfect sense now, as the days went on more and more about my life now added up.

And now finally I felt together and whole and some self esteem in returning to my long dead soul like the waters of life. I had started putting my relationships back on track and all was looking good. I had taken stands against people that before adderall I would have shrunk to and allowed myself to be walked on. I had a sense of self worth growing and all the fat from overeating was coming off pounds and pounds because Adderall even made it so I could eat normally, or not at all if I wanted to lose weight.

Control over my destiny even felt like it was close at hand and I experienced a genuine transformation into another person that actually had respect for himself and liked himself for the very first time. I felt like facing the realities of my life and dealing with problems head on and I did so for a while.

I had finally found the panacea to all my ills. Or had I?

Soon enough I made a few bad descisions and used the power of adderall in a negative way. I raged out with fury against the people I viewed as having a hand in my downfall. My parents. I accused THEM of being the ones who caused me to never be able to live up to my potential. And I accused my father as having ADD himself. Which may be true but I went into a rage and I attacked a lot of things about these 2 people who didn't know any better either. They might have deserved the verbal lashing but it went down bad. It felt all wrong.

Well they upped my dose pretty quickly, and pretty quickly the skills I learned as an addict were in full swing again and I was off. Here is the part where the drug starts having negative effects. I always knew I was taking more than I needed. I could have gotten by with 30mgs a day but I was offered 60, so I went with 60. Since if 1 is good then 2 is better.

Anyway here I am today and I am spiraled out of control with this drug. I take so much of it now, waaaay more than prescribed and it almost has the opposite effect now and it scatters my mind and trashes my body. I am dependent physically and mentally and currently caught up in what looks like another addiction. Or is it?

I desperately want to regain control of this substance and be able to use it as directed since I fear going back to that world or darkness from which I came. With adderall I feel like I could -- if I can control my intake -- reach my potentials and goals but without it I am certainly doomed. I am a genuine case of ADD and going back to that daydream of a life is scarier than this addiction right now.

What do you think I should do?

What came first and what am I? An addict or an ADD sufferer? Or both?

Bottom line is do you think I can learn from my experiences now and reign this abuse in and regain control over it and my life?

Any insight or experience would be greatly appreciated.
 
I've never dealt with any issues whatsoever related to stimulants. My only real experience with adderall was using it to stay up all night to study in college and graduate with a 3.5 average. I never enjoyed the "euphoria" it gave me. However, I'm a Class A heroin addict and I've gotten clean a few times... I figure that although the drugs are different the prognosis is still the same: you can either get clean or continue making bad decisions that will further harm your life. That's really all there is to it... I don't think anyone can stay high all the time without consequences. Anyway... get yourself some help. I never really believed in ADD... the times I took Adderall in college was probably less than 10... over 5 years that makes it about twice a year, so most of the work can be attributed to my eagerness to learn and not chemical dependency (although I did use heroin off and on at the time). Check yourself into a rehab or detox... a free one would be nice. Look on google for local ones and call around.. see if there's a bed. I know that after going to rehab I stayed clean for a good amount of time and would have probably stayed clean for good if I wasn't so stubborn....
 
I'm not worried about detoxing from adderall, I can handle that, It's mainly a few weeks of severe depression, it feels a lot like the post acute phase of heroin withdrawal.

Going to rehab or not is not really my question here though. I'm on a prescription. It is abusable. I have an extensive past history of abuse. Have you ever had an abusable drug available to you legally and then use it therapeutically? Do you think that's possible? That's more my question.

I'm not surprised to hear you don't believe in ADD. It's pretty much only the people that actually have it for real and live with them that do.
 
Well, I had a friend that was diagnosed with ADD. He was on Adderall for a very long time... from around age 7 until around age 15. I think the Adderall messed him up more than the ADD. After he got off the Adderall, he had to relearn how to study without it... but he still did relatively well in school. It seems strange to me that some people need amphetamines to be able to pay attention. Maybe consider a weaker drug? Concerta? Strattera?
 
Going to rehab or not is not really my question here though. I'm on a prescription. It is abusable. I have an extensive past history of abuse. Have you ever had an abusable drug available to you legally and then use it therapeutically? Do you think that's possible? That's more my question.

I'm not surprised to hear you don't believe in ADD. It's pretty much only the people that actually have it for real and live with them that do.
Of course it is possible, and I also have ADHD, it is real. Every "diagnosed case" may not be genuine, but it is a real disorder for some people.

The best way to use stimulants are infrequently for ADD/ADHD. Find other means of increasing awakeness/attention (exercise, proper diet/nutrition, supplements, etc) and use them constantly, while using the medication only intermittently/occasionally (when you need it the most).
 
Soap, your misery is tangible . Struggling with a broken mind is unlike any other ailment, far worse as as you have eloquently stated . There is no way to be objective as if an organ other than the mind is causing pain and suffering.

The VA isn't first class health care by any means but there are programs run in the larger VA Medical Centers that may hold promise for you.

You write absolutely first class and are thereby a very intelligent man. Are you going to give the VA another shot guy?
 
Yes you can regain control. Don't fall back into the "your powerless to change anything" idea. I was addicted to narcotic pain meds for years before I got clean of them a few years ago. I was always worried about what would happen if ever a time came where I required these meds for genuine and legitimate pain. That time came this May when I herniated a disc and was placed on oxycodone. I took this for 2 1/2 months before I went off of it. I was not taken off by my doctor and could get it even now if I wanted. Thing is I don't want it! I vividly remember all the problems it caused me over the years and simply had NO desire to go through it again. So you can do it. You are NOT powerless and helpless in the face of this drug. Good luck!
 
Thanks for your comments, it's good to hear that other people have been able to reign in their addictions to manageable levels. Since at this point my life has become unmanageable.


I felt a little disenfranchised by the VA experience(imagine that) so right now I am working with a private psychiatrist/therapist until I'm forced to go to the VA.

As far as reigning in this little substance overuse problem i got goin on here. I was able to take my klonopin prescriptions that I received recently with care, and refilled it on time, didn't really abuse them and for the most part took as directed. I was once heavily addicted to benzo's and went through a mind-crushing withdrawl from those that I will never forget so I am very mindful of my intake with those. They don't give me any authentic positive effects that are long-lasting and life-changing like the adderall does. Adderall's effects on me are pronounced and dramatic and life-changing, that's the main reason I don't want to give it up. It's like if they found a pill to make retarded people un-retarded, and they gave them this pill, and they were elated to be normal. Then you tell them you need to take their un-retarded pill away and they need to find a way to live in reality being retarded again. Sure it's possible, but I think I would rather not. And I would rather not try living back as the dim-witted sloth with absolute zero self esteem I formerly was.

The other non-stimulant medications just don't work for me. I need to reign in my abuse and turn it into proper use, if only I can stabilize on my therapeutic dose and hold it together. I know I am putting a lot of pressure on my best friend Adderall to make me better. I have pinned my hopes and dreams on him.

I hope I am able to stabilize our relationship without losing my mind and we have to break up. Otherwise this may be the final chapter in my saga with undiagnosed ADD. Honestly I don't have much hope that I can learn to live with this syndrome of absented-minded isolationism. Can you imagine it? Your illness is a lack of mental presence and loss of consciousness in the world and all your relationships? That's what my ADD is when I'm off Adderall; retarded essentially. In fact before the early 70's they called it Partial Brain Damage or Partial Brain Malfunction. If you can learn to live with that, than God love you, I can't.

I do fear for my sanity at this point. I fear what the long term effects of adderall will do to my body. I feel like I would rather live a conscious life and die young with mood swings and drug dependence included, then simply survive in a spiraling land of brain static and pink noise just barely scraping by till I'm old.
 
Thanks so much for this thread, Soap.

I just got off the phone with the doc. I have an appointment in 2 days to go on ADD meds. Much like the OP, I believe that I've had this disorder my entire life, and it's gone undiagnosed. I think it's the reason that I became a drug addict. I think it's kept me from greater success in life.

Most likely it was undiagnosed in my case, because I wasn't hyper as a child. I'm also reasonably intelligent... I just could never get it together to make more than average grades. And because the system rejected me, I felt a strong need to rebel, which contributed to drug experimentation.

I used to buy adderall and dexedrine on the black market, and when I take the right dosage, I feel like "this is how things are supposed to be" the cloud lifts, and I feel normal. It's hard to describe.

I can't believe that some think that it's a myth-- cruel and ridiculous. You know, it can be measured. It's decreased activity in the frontal lobes of the brain, measured by a simple yet expensive brain scan.

This year I've been fighting drug addiction and through research I decided to get this script. I believe it can change my life.

Soap-- there are other treatments for ADD. in fact, there is some sort of electro shock therapy-- EGG Feedback -- that is used here in CA. there are also meds that don't produce a high, therefore cannot be abused.

And if you insist on staying on adderall, simply start to treat your addiction problems as a separate "disease." Attend AA/NA, therapy, whatever it takes. People with eating disorders continue to eat food. You just have to develop the control... and you have a good head start by knowing that your rage towards your family was a mistake.

good luck.
 
do fear for my sanity at this point. I fear what the long term effects of adderall will do to my body. I feel like I would rather live a conscious life and die young with mood swings and drug dependence included, then simply survive in a spiraling land of brain static and pink noise just barely scraping by till I'm old.

I can relate to a lot of your situation.

I too am coming off a long term serious opiate habit. I've been clean fromopiates for 42 days now. However, I think anyone who has abused drugs long term causes long term structural and functional changes to the brain. Makes you unable to feel pleasure from 'normal things' like sex,love,food etc.. Makes your drug free brain wants the dopamine pleasure response.

I'm 52. I started using cannabis,psychedlic drugs and anphetamines in 1971. I used ubtil age 31 at which time I got clean 100% for around 12 years. Brain returned to an acceptable state after a year. However, brain imagary shows structural changes and some of them never return to normal. You retain at least some of the drug induced changes because when you hit that spot again, even years later, you're off to the races. Makes sense to me.

I picked up again and feel right back into it again. Now 8 years later I'm trying to pull out of this one. I have not used any opiates, however, I have had real cravings for something to elevated dopamine. I am prescribed ritalin and have started snorting it. I have used coke a couple of times. Smoking weed. Seems like I'm heade for trouble again as I crave ritalin/coke and then need benzos to sleep. Prevously been physicaly addicted to benzos as well so that is more worrisome than the other. I prefer downer drugs (heroin) so I don't really use a lot as I am pretty sensitive to uppers and don't like the jitteriness. That heps with keeping the dose down.


Coming to the conclusion that there is no easy way out of this and I'm just going to have to go through the months of anhedonia or end up using again.
 
ritalin is a powerfull drug and should be respected. if you take it on a dayly basis it will affect the way you relate yourself with the whole world around you. just be wise... and aware of this...
Once you get "rooked" is hard to use it moderately again.....
ps: But it depends on you, if it will be possible or not.
 
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I can relate to a lot of your situation.

I too am coming off a long term serious opiate habit. I've been clean fromopiates for 42 days now. However, I think anyone who has abused drugs long term causes long term structural and functional changes to the brain. Makes you unable to feel pleasure from 'normal things' like sex,love,food etc.. Makes your drug free brain wants the dopamine pleasure response.

I'm 52. I started using cannabis,psychedlic drugs and anphetamines in 1971. I used ubtil age 31 at which time I got clean 100% for around 12 years. Brain returned to an acceptable state after a year. However, brain imagary shows structural changes and some of them never return to normal. You retain at least some of the drug induced changes because when you hit that spot again, even years later, you're off to the races. Makes sense to me.

I picked up again and feel right back into it again. Now 8 years later I'm trying to pull out of this one. I have not used any opiates, however, I have had real cravings for something to elevated dopamine. I am prescribed ritalin and have started snorting it. I have used coke a couple of times. Smoking weed. Seems like I'm heade for trouble again as I crave ritalin/coke and then need benzos to sleep. Prevously been physicaly addicted to benzos as well so that is more worrisome than the other. I prefer downer drugs (heroin) so I don't really use a lot as I am pretty sensitive to uppers and don't like the jitteriness. That heps with keeping the dose down.


Coming to the conclusion that there is no easy way out of this and I'm just going to have to go through the months of anhedonia or end up using again.

Let us not loose hope Edarrin, maybe we can do it, somewhat diferent this time. I keep on dreaming.... just try something new... ireally don't know what to say... i'm fucked up! But still believing that better days are about to come. First i gotta be honest, and maybe hit an A.A meeting once in a while. We gotta find our way out of this endless circle... That's just my humble point of view...
 
TriggerHappy thanks for your comments. I am glad to be able to reach people like you now and talk about this. I have lived the life of the scared man for too long. Now on adderall, I am not afraid of my past or future anymore, I don't feel threatened by the truth, I enjoy being honest, and I live in the Now. I hope your recovery and transformation goes as well, but without these problems along the way that I have.

The thought does occur to me "Am I an addict still seeking external material pleasures as always and hiding behind the veil of this convenient disorder or am I truly ADD and accept that ADD is the underlying root cause of all these many effects (addictions) I have faced?"

I have come to conclusion over the last 6 months or so, as TriggerHappy has, that it was the ADD that caused him to become an addict. I certainly subscribe to this thinking. And through effect, and not without controversy, I and we are NOT actually addicts. Much the same as we are not any of the other things we did and became while struggling to process thoughts through the dark filter of an under-developed prefrontal cortex (brain damage). If this damage had been detected years ago we never would have become addicts.

I have accepted this as truth especially after reading a book (MY FIRST FULL READ-THROUGH EVER) called Driven from Distraction. As I turned the pages in succession with a riveting focus I discovered I was actually reading my full biography. Almost every jot and tiddle.

I was not hyper either and that is the main reason I fell through the cracks undetected, my own hyperactive energy was focused like a laser beam into realms of creativity, but only for brief periods. It's a misconception that we lack attention, we only lack the ability normal people have to block out and resist impulsion to the simplest of distractions, which causes our attention to be inconsistent and erratic, that is the true disorder. Impulse control is housed in the prefrontal cortex and is the area chemically deficient and damaged in true ADDr's.

Edarrin I hope all works out for you. Those are some tough times and a hard year to do. But you know it only ever gets worse out there. I have been there and amazingly I have been off heroin for a few years now with no real desire to go back to it. My life and mind itself was a much bigger problem than heroin.

brasil: I have been treated for so many of the symptoms of ADD throughout my life always hoping that if they treated THIS I would be better, I prayed that a drug would change me, but none ever did, all the while the doctors and therapists were confused, and treated my outlying ADD symptoms. Tried so many pharaceutical substances over the years it got to be a joke. It seemed this would go on forever languishing and eventually die, still afraid of everything. I WELCOME this change with open arms, man it's my only hope.
 
Yes, I think that you can overcome your addiction and use the drug in a responsible matter. If you feel that your life will be complete darkness without the drug, but also you must control it, YOU CAN!

Take your recommended dosage, or prescribed dosage of adderal, and THATS IT. It is time for you to fly man! 30 years of misery, you need to be successful in life! From your writing you seem like a very intelligent person, just with this distraction problem! ADD is a bitch, and untreated, I think you are just going to feel how you have for the past 30 years, (and i think you know this too!).

So, please, try to use this drug responsibly, as I believe it will give you the opportunity to soar!
 
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