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Opioids Can caffeine counteract mild respiratory depression?

King-Anubis

King-Anubis

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Hey everyone,

I was just wondering if caffeine can counteract mild respiratory depression?

Last night a friend of mine decided to use oxycodone and took two 5/512 tablets. I suggested she start low just to get a feel for what opiates are like, but as soon as it started to work she began to panic about her breathing. I was keeping an eye on her and her breathing was more then fine, and she was no where close to nodding out. But regardless, she still panicked. I suggested she drink an energy drink (about 150mg of caffeine) to 'counter-act' the sedation. It was more of a placebo then anything (she calmed down after) but I was wondering if this is in fact a good strategy to counteract mild respiratory depression. I'm aware that mixing uppers and downers can be dangerous, but in such low doses of opiates is it alright to do?

Thanks!
 
If its mild resp. Depression an there's no risk of OD than it would be pointless to take the energy drink bcuz the person is in no real danger. When there's alotta resp depression an there's a possible risk of OD than don't use energy drinks as the solution to counteract the problem cuz no it won't do shit in savin the persons life.

Sure ya can drink an energy drink with milder breathin n it may help a lil bit but b careful with high doses of opiates it won't help at all.
 
Cheers, that's what I thought - I would always seek medical help if I thought someone was in real danger. Caffeine can help ease some of the panic that someone might feel though :) Thanks again.
 
It worked as a placebo this time, but you guys were lucky it didn't cause more anxiety.

Nice work though, on the fly ;)
 
^^ Yeah dont add more anxiety with caffeine.

If anybody cares to share, what would mild respiratory feel like? Shallower breathing? If so, couldn't you just breath deeper since you can control breathing. Not targeting the OP, just interested in in how this manifests as I may encounter it in future.
 
It's true it could have caused more anxiety, we got lucky it seems though :P I imagine mild respiratory depression feels like you're not taking enough breathes per minute. I have no idea how many times I normally breathe per minute but on low doses of opiates I sometime 'notice' my breathing is slower - even if I have nothing to base it upon. I tend to think that as long as I'm taking a breathe every 10 seconds then I'll be alright.... that's probably a little misguided though.
 
Having trouble with 10mgs of oxycodone??

Please do us all a favor, and just quit while you are ahead.....
 
filthygerms said:
Having trouble with 10mgs of oxycodone??

Please do us all a favor, and just quit while you are ahead.....
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Unsurprisingly she's decided not to do oxy's again - want's to try 'milder' opiates like codeine though. I think she didn't know what she was in for and all the 'take opiates and you'll OD' propaganda got to her.
 
blight12 said:
^^ Yeah dont add more anxiety with caffeine.

If anybody cares to share, what would mild respiratory feel like? Shallower breathing? If so, couldn't you just breath deeper since you can control breathing. Not targeting the OP, just interested in in how this manifests as I may encounter it in future.
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i would assume its where you dont breathe as often as you should.

when i came close to overdosing in 2009 i had 120 mgs of oxy and 4 mgs of ativan with 0 tolerance to either. i was breathing like 5 or 6 times a minute and i was lying on the couch and my mom would ask me if i was alright and i would hear her but couldnt respond for like 10 seconds. she asked if i wanted to go to the hospital but i said no cuz i didnt want to get in trouble.
 
blight12 said:
^^ Yeah dont add more anxiety with caffeine.

If anybody cares to share, what would mild respiratory feel like? Shallower breathing? If so, couldn't you just breath deeper since you can control breathing. Not targeting the OP, just interested in in how this manifests as I may encounter it in future.
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To me, it feels like a heaviness in the chest. And trying to breathe deeper doesn't seem to work because it's like I can't quite draw that deeper breath, even though I'm trying. I've only experienced this though, with pneumonia and d/t my asthma. I've never experienced respiratory depression d/t opiates. So, it might feel different.
 
^^ Interesting. It would seem you could control this but im sure it doesnt work that way, like controlling panic attack breathing. You prob dont notice it more likely.
 
Brainless topic...if you want to use a stimulant to reduce respiratory depression it's dextro amphetamines, period. Coffee or Ginger Beer piss will get you killed. The drowsyness of opioids and the stimulation of amphetamines attenuate eachother when mixed, so you'll be less stimulated and less respiratory depressed. Quit looking for legal highs man...everyone used every possible drug before you even made it out your mom's asshole so they banned anything that might, in any forseable circumstance, get you high.

You can obtain focus, you can be awake, you can achieve performance with coffee, nicotine and other legal stuff, but you can't get high. Some may say that alcohol gets them high. They are just lying to themselves, or they are clueless about what high means.
 
King-Anubis said:
Hey everyone,

I was just wondering if caffeine can counteract mild respiratory depression?

Last night a friend of mine decided to use oxycodone and took two 5/512 tablets. I suggested she start low just to get a feel for what opiates are like, but as soon as it started to work she began to panic about her breathing. I was keeping an eye on her and her breathing was more then fine, and she was no where close to nodding out. But regardless, she still panicked. I suggested she drink an energy drink (about 150mg of caffeine) to 'counter-act' the sedation. It was more of a placebo then anything (she calmed down after) but I was wondering if this is in fact a good strategy to counteract mild respiratory depression. I'm aware that mixing uppers and downers can be dangerous, but in such low doses of opiates is it alright to do?

Thanks!
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Provide literature quotation. I call bullshit.
 
King-Anubis said:
I thought it was common knowledge? Of course mild uppers won't kill you when combined with downers, but stronger one will. Just look up 'speedball' for one.
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I don't have to look up anything son, I'm the specialist and you're the dude not knowing what you're talking about so you have to provide the quotation, which you haven't, because there is no quotation. I'm probably wrong to waste my time with you but I'll do it for other people reading this:

Speedball is basically taking a deadly dose of Heroin and relying on the cocaine to dodge the respiratory depression. Since the cocaine wears off sooner, you might die from the opioid but if you keep re-dosing the cocaine, you will not. First of all, taking a deadly dose of Heroin is idiotic, regardless of the circumstance. All the cocaine does is it actually PREVENTS the overdose and respiratory depression, so the combination of both is much more beneficial than taking the deadly dose of Heroin alone, after which you certainly die!

I'm through with this. You know nothing man.
 
Ksa said:
I don't have to look up anything son, I'm the specialist and you're the dude not knowing what you're talking about so you have to provide the quotation, which you haven't, because there is no quotation. I'm probably wrong to waste my time with you but I'll do it for other people reading this:

Speedball is basically taking a deadly dose of Heroin and relying on the cocaine to dodge the respiratory depression. Since the cocaine wears off sooner, you might die from the opioid but if you keep re-dosing the cocaine, you will not. First of all, taking a deadly dose of Heroin is idiotic, regardless of the circumstance. All the cocaine does is it actually PREVENTS the overdose and respiratory depression, so the combination of both is much more beneficial than taking the deadly dose of Heroin alone, after which you certainly die!

I'm through with this. You know nothing man.
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Alright professor, calm down - not sure why you're getting so mad. I browse this forum to learn, so if I make an incorrect statement then by all means correct me but there's no need for this 'I'm better then you' know-it-all attitude.
 
King-Anubis said:
Alright professor, calm down - not sure why you're getting so mad. I browse this forum to learn, so if I make an incorrect statement then by all means correct me but there's no need for this 'I'm better then you' know-it-all attitude.
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Hookay sorry.
 
Ksa said:
I don't have to look up anything son, I'm the specialist and you're the dude not knowing what you're talking about so you have to provide the quotation, which you haven't, because there is no quotation. I'm probably wrong to waste my time with you but I'll do it for other people reading this:

Speedball is basically taking a deadly dose of Heroin and relying on the cocaine to dodge the respiratory depression. Since the cocaine wears off sooner, you might die from the opioid but if you keep re-dosing the cocaine, you will not. First of all, taking a deadly dose of Heroin is idiotic, regardless of the circumstance. All the cocaine does is it actually PREVENTS the overdose and respiratory depression, so the combination of both is much more beneficial than taking the deadly dose of Heroin alone, after which you certainly die!

I'm through with this. You know nothing man.
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No need to go all balls out aggressive with the HR advice man, most people respond better when you`re not being a dick.
 
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