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Can anyone relate?

smackatackpunpunpun

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I live in cycles.
It goes disorganized/judging self, feeling way to stupid/immature for age- disassociation follows, using for fun and relief, using a lesser amount for productivity( social anxiety, and not spacing out) for a long period of time, tapering(ah this is so easy I got this), sobriety, fuck up or FUCK UP- usually work related and disorganized/can’t get anything done right, go back to using, get a lot of shit done, drugs don’t work, taper taper taper, quit, emotional pain train, seek help which at point its almost always insufficient or infuriating/ they aren’t treating the underlying issues just throwing replacements at it- get frustrated/pissed off, psychiatry/doctors are a scam! - go back to using for normalcy and things are fine for 6 months or so until I get the crazy idea to quit again for whatever reason. Don’t have a good enough longterm memory or stability to remember I have cycles.

Is there any professional who can get me out of this cycle or am I just fucked? Because I can’t do it myself and it’s not just being sober. The chaos started before using and remains after I’ve kicked for a few months at least. Never gone longer than that because I have such difficulty with daily tasks and don’t want to socialize at all or even see people.
 
Yes, I can relate to a lot of what you said. I'm currently in the 'crippled with depression/social-anxiety' phase as my mind and body is healing itself after I decided to sober up while awaiting to see my GP to get a referral to a mental health professional to work out once and for all what exactly it is that's wrong with me.
I strongly suspect I probably just need to stay away from the opioids long enough to afford my neurochemistry the necessary time to self-regulate.

How long have you been living through these cycles (as in from what age) if you dont mind me asking?
 
Hey, welcome to BL.
Yeah I think a lot of us deal going through a scenario like this every time we get sober and yet each time we try something different, like maybe Suboxone instead of methadone this time, or maybe I'll start going to NA meetings instead of AA meetings because NA works a workbook and maybe I need to go through a workbook to stay sober. Many of our journeys are all about the same, and usually what happens to me is I do everything, i do the suboxone, i do the workbook at NA but I fail to follow through with it. Slowly I start falling back into old behaviors, stop going to meetings, stop taking my meds and eventually I get high.
I think you are right about getting the professional help. That's something I'm doing this time then last time, and I'm going to continue with it.
 
Yes, I can relate to a lot of what you said. I'm currently in the 'crippled with depression/social-anxiety' phase as my mind and body is healing itself after I decided to sober up while awaiting to see my GP to get a referral to a mental health professional to work out once and for all what exactly it is that's wrong with me.
I strongly suspect I probably just need to stay away from the opioids long enough to afford my neurochemistry the necessary time to self-regulate.

How long have you been living through these cycles (as in from what age) if you dont mind me asking?
Yes of course, I kind of regret my description of these cycles now. I’ve had s change of headspace, I can see it as me romanticizing them a little but damn do they make it so much say to go on autopilot and not have to worry.

so my opioid usage cycles started 12 years ago where opiates started playing into the emotional/mental “relief” of the cycle. I had dabbled before that but wasn’t in the honeymoon yet. So I think I was 25/26.
The opiates probably exacerbated the cycles to a more dramatic point but also awareness of my functioning relative to other people my age made the cycles way worse. Age increased the relief when using and also the stakes to perform at a higher level and the self judgement so I just stayed high. Like “fuck I’m an idiot” because I did this action that makes zero sense or had an accident where I broke something I was supposed to be careful with, or pissed someone off unintentionally with my words or had a rage episode. Opiates meant I didn’t need another person to bitch to. I could just be fine by myself because another person is just going to criticize me anyways.

And for me it was like someone flipped a switch at 16 years of age, depression, suicidal thoughts, and no sense of self, plus the tired feelings started and the tired feelings have continued to build and build without a clear cause and only opiates brought me relief. I suspect that feeling is what happens when you don’t acknowledge your bad feelings.
That no sense of self is the biggest and worst of the bunch to me and still is, no sense of self means you don’t care about things you are supposed to and you have to comprehend them intellectually, but if the goal post shifts you forget that you were supposed to comprehend them at all and are already caring about something else. It’s not like memory issues either, you remember what you are supposed to do, you just have no reference point until the more emotionally capable or motivated version of you rolls back around. You also don’t give a damn about longterm survival lol so basically I was/am stuck as a perpetual immature person with less life skills than most but maybe there are more out there like me? I don’t think I have autism.
I suspect I had underlying issues much sooner because I remember grinding my teeth as a child, freaking out whenever someone would touch me on the leg, not being able to make conversation or only very brief eye contact due to nerves, I had a couple very hard disassociation episodes where I wasn’t even me at a young age, it felt exactly like DXM/ketamine where you become someone else(might not happen to everyone with dissos)minus the sloppy drugged feeling. I don’t think most people have had that experience awake without drugs, unless someone drugged a child with one of those? I still can’t explain those fully. I was just a little overly sensitive bitch that wasn’t made for this world.

I’m 38 and feel like I’m stuck at 15-16 maturity wise, meaning I’ve always been too sensitive and that’s what I heard growing up, from friends, cousins, relatives, etc… like what the fuck is wrong with him? My paranoia developed out of that and feeling unsafe around 98% of people and not being able to take criticism or rather I get exhausted processing criticism because my self criticism makes a mountain out of a molehill.
I can take it but I hate myself and add it to the pile. It’s funny looking back on it but the internet trolls really scarred me and made me even more distrustful of people, but then I became one and now I understand why people troll. Then I had no clue, i was taking it so seriously LOL but I know most don’t mean to cause anything other than annoyance to others or were just lashing out because they were lonely. I don’t know if you can tell from my typing but I’m more at peace today.

I had a big pity party yesterday/this morning with actual tears(can’t remember the last time I cried real tears I think it’s been 10 years) and now the pendulum has swung back in my favor.
I think opiates and poor emotional coping in my case had me shut the door on my own feelings. Feels like I dissociated without drugs first, not wanting to be sensitive anymore and then with drugs so hard I was completely cocooning from most of the good and bad. I would have said that idea of good/bad emotions being connected is completely foo foo pseudo science garbage last week but it seems you can’t block the bad without blocking the good.

Anyways I’m talking so much about my shit.
I feel like if you were ok before opioids, you should be able to land ok assuming they haven’t left a big scar and trauma. It definitely won’t be pleasant and I have no room to talk about being able to land. I think the social anxiety but is related to how much you relief you got out of them and the absence will be more acutely painful until you get to a couple months.
What’s your story and thoughts on why you used?
 
Yes of course, I kind of regret my description of these cycles now. I’ve had s change of headspace, I can see it as me romanticizing them a little but damn do they make it so much say to go on autopilot and not have to worry.

so my opioid usage cycles started 12 years ago where opiates started playing into the emotional/mental “relief” of the cycle. I had dabbled before that but wasn’t in the honeymoon yet. So I think I was 25/26.
The opiates probably exacerbated the cycles to a more dramatic point but also awareness of my functioning relative to other people my age made the cycles way worse. Age increased the relief when using and also the stakes to perform at a higher level and the self judgement so I just stayed high. Like “fuck I’m an idiot” because I did this action that makes zero sense or had an accident where I broke something I was supposed to be careful with, or pissed someone off unintentionally with my words or had a rage episode. Opiates meant I didn’t need another person to bitch to. I could just be fine by myself because another person is just going to criticize me anyways.

And for me it was like someone flipped a switch at 16 years of age, depression, suicidal thoughts, and no sense of self, plus the tired feelings started and the tired feelings have continued to build and build without a clear cause and only opiates brought me relief. I suspect that feeling is what happens when you don’t acknowledge your bad feelings.
That no sense of self is the biggest and worst of the bunch to me and still is, no sense of self means you don’t care about things you are supposed to and you have to comprehend them intellectually, but if the goal post shifts you forget that you were supposed to comprehend them at all and are already caring about something else. It’s not like memory issues either, you remember what you are supposed to do, you just have no reference point until the more emotionally capable or motivated version of you rolls back around. You also don’t give a damn about longterm survival lol so basically I was/am stuck as a perpetual immature person with less life skills than most but maybe there are more out there like me? I don’t think I have autism.
I suspect I had underlying issues much sooner because I remember grinding my teeth as a child, freaking out whenever someone would touch me on the leg, not being able to make conversation or only very brief eye contact due to nerves, I had a couple very hard disassociation episodes where I wasn’t even me at a young age, it felt exactly like DXM/ketamine where you become someone else(might not happen to everyone with dissos)minus the sloppy drugged feeling. I don’t think most people have had that experience awake without drugs, unless someone drugged a child with one of those? I still can’t explain those fully. I was just a little overly sensitive bitch that wasn’t made for this world.

I’m 38 and feel like I’m stuck at 15-16 maturity wise, meaning I’ve always been too sensitive and that’s what I heard growing up, from friends, cousins, relatives, etc… like what the fuck is wrong with him? My paranoia developed out of that and feeling unsafe around 98% of people and not being able to take criticism or rather I get exhausted processing criticism because my self criticism makes a mountain out of a molehill.
I can take it but I hate myself and add it to the pile. It’s funny looking back on it but the internet trolls really scarred me and made me even more distrustful of people, but then I became one and now I understand why people troll. Then I had no clue, i was taking it so seriously LOL but I know most don’t mean to cause anything other than annoyance to others or were just lashing out because they were lonely. I don’t know if you can tell from my typing but I’m more at peace today.

I had a big pity party yesterday/this morning with actual tears(can’t remember the last time I cried real tears I think it’s been 10 years) and now the pendulum has swung back in my favor.
I think opiates and poor emotional coping in my case had me shut the door on my own feelings. Feels like I dissociated without drugs first, not wanting to be sensitive anymore and then with drugs so hard I was completely cocooning from most of the good and bad. I would have said that idea of good/bad emotions being connected is completely foo foo pseudo science garbage last week but it seems you can’t block the bad without blocking the good.

Anyways I’m talking so much about my shit.
I feel like if you were ok before opioids, you should be able to land ok assuming they haven’t left a big scar and trauma. It definitely won’t be pleasant and I have no room to talk about being able to land. I think the social anxiety but is related to how much you relief you got out of them and the absence will be more acutely painful until you get to a couple months.
What’s your story and thoughts on why you used?

You will be ok.

I can relate to these cycles a lot. Using just to be able to keep up with a brutal work schedule, burning out. I’ve never gotten out of it because of a damaged organ that causes pain that always pulls me back to the opiates when the pain gets too much to be able to handle going to work, etc.

Run from these opiates man and be patient even if it takes years away from them to feel better.

If you don’t have any issues with physical pain consider yourself lucky and that opiates are not meant for you.
 
You will be ok.

I can relate to these cycles a lot. Using just to be able to keep up with a brutal work schedule, burning out. I’ve never gotten out of it because of a damaged organ that causes pain that always pulls me back to the opiates when the pain gets too much to be able to handle going to work, etc.

Run from these opiates man and be patient even if it takes years away from them to feel better.

If you don’t have any issues with physical pain consider yourself lucky and that opiates are not meant for you.
You are right. My issues are emotional/mental and sleep cycles. Definitely gotta stop or I’ll have this “floodgate” of emotions again. Not really feeling emotions for 15 years is a mind fuck once you start again, I don’t suggest it but it’s definitely a trip. I don’t even have to take anything to be entertained, I have my own rollercoaster right here. I got so numb I wanted to feel anxious/scared, I don’t know if you’ve ever had that desire to return to what you know?

I couldn’t do it anymore, of course I don’t know how long that aversion will last. Gotta be vigilant.
 
You are right. My issues are emotional/mental and sleep cycles. Definitely gotta stop or I’ll have this “floodgate” of emotions again. Not really feeling emotions for 15 years is a mind fuck once you start again, I don’t suggest it but it’s definitely a trip. I don’t even have to take anything to be entertained, I have my own rollercoaster right here. I got so numb I wanted to feel anxious/scared, I don’t know if you’ve ever had that desire to return to what you know?

I couldn’t do it anymore, of course I don’t know how long that aversion will last. Gotta be vigilant.
Yes feeling the emotions again is wild but can be kind of beautiful despite being in withdrawal I can feel love again. But also the negative emotions too.
 
I can relate to a lot of what you said @smackatackpunpunpun

Pretty much hit the nail on the head, and one thing that always seems to be so overwhelming most of the time is I worry a lot now. After having put my body through hell for 36 years, and in and out of programs and sober livings and on and off living on the street in tents & surviving on whatever the church gave me you think would desensitize me, I'm afraid not man, it's made me even worse to where I'm so worried about the what ifs that there comes a point where I'm all like fuck it i'm going to wind up fucking homeless anyways or I'm going to go straight to the salvation army or something, where dealing with these things really makes me worry man.
Like I'm here about to finish up my iop in a program and they told me that my insurance has me claimed or something, meaning that they aren't going to pay anymore or something, so in my head I'm all freaking out about shit I'm going to be homeless again, and I'm in Memphis, not the place for a white suburban dude to be homeless. & I worry, and think about after all the shit i went through here at this program that they are going to award me a GTFO.

I to think opiates of really done me in emotionally too, where whenever i had a bad shitty day I'd just pop a pain pill and everything was okay, then the painpills weren't doing it for me so i yearnd for stronger opiates, and thus opening a pandoras box of chasing the 'warm glow' that little painpill gave me back those many years ago.
I mean now I'm trying to get better, and I'm actually giving medicine a shot where I didn't before. So hopefully this go around i can keep at it.

I dunno, but i try to utilize going to certain meetings on the outside, and mostly found my home in HA meetings, the heroin anonymous meetings I can relate to other opiate users just like myself, and not sure just has a different vibe to the meeting more so than maybe an AA or NA meeting, maybe try something like that outside of the norm for meetings for you.
♥️
 
I’m still at it. Quitting phenibut, kratom, nicotine now. Emotions are a trip. Jesus Christ it’s like I’m high sometimes and low others.
 
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