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Can amphetamines be used in a productive non destructive manner?

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I'm prescribed 50mg Vyvanse. I go through phases with it.

Do you think it can be used in a good way? I kind of view it like a crutch. I take it for work. Homework if I procrastinate too long. Overall it feels like something one should not need forever; as the motivation it gives should be obtainable without the use of it.

Post your thoughts please. Your experience with use of amphetamines / if you stopped / if you learned to acquire the motivation naturally / any other experiences with this realm of drugs.
 
Yes, if anything amphetamine is the most productive drug there is.

But it's a double edged sword for many, many reasons.

When it comes to studying, or any manual activity, my reflexes and learning capacity skyrocket while on amphetamine.
 
Elaborate on the double edge? And do you find that this artificial motivation makes it harder to have natural motivation?
 
It's double edged because:

A) Increases anxiety in many people
B) Neurotoxic
C) Yes, it can produce both a psychological and (over time) chemical dependence

There are many other side effects. But I stand strong on my belief that any intelligent person looking to greatly enhance their functionality in the working/education world should use amphetamines moderately.
 
IF you can use it safely, sure.


The problem with amphetamine addiction though (which is surely what happens after taking adderall, or other stimulants, for long periods of time), is that you make excuses for why you "need it".

If you could take it, say once or twice a week only when your tired and need to concentrate, then hell yeah that shit is great. But who do you know that actually does that?


If they could get an amphetamine without any euphoria, that would be AMAZING for this. But it has the same problem as opiates and benzos, people just like the feeling too much.
 
I think I would benefit from prescription uppers. I have to take Benzos, and I always have a benzo hangover. I am going to ask my doctor, in fact... so thanks for posting.
 
Yes, they can be used productively and with minimal to no harm. There is a reason they are in the pharmacopoeia and regularly prescribed.

I enjoy indulging in amphetamine now and then for both productivity when I wind up working 27 hours straight, and for fun when I just wish to go to a club and stay up all night.
 
I'm pretty sure that all of these points have been made before, but I would just like to reiterate the inherent danger in taking amphetamines:

It's awesome, man. It's just such an awesome feeling to be so productive, to complete each and every task, and to be so much more proficient in all of the things that you would normally struggle with, procrastinate, put off or whatever...

I mean, you feel smarter, more confident, more capable... you feel better about everything, more optimistic, and it's just such a wonderful, wonderful feeling.

But it's the only drug that I can truly and honestly say hooked me; I've taken a lot of adderall, man, a lot... and it was so unbelievably hard to quit. It wasn't so much physical as mental. I quit taking it, and then for months and months and months I felt like the stupidest, laziest, least capable person in the world. I had zero motivation to do anything, anything at all, and every task become a chore, even the simplest tasks. I was banging out two or three papers a night when I was taking the adderall -- long papers too... five, six, fourteen page papers... -- and then after I kicked the stuff I couldn't manage to finish just one three or four page paper. It took me a long, long, long time to adjust. I'm not sure that I'll ever feel like I'm back to my old self, and that's pretty scary.
 
I have been using it safely for the past year. Now I would say not to ever use it on a regular basis, because there are a few health risks involved but for the most part yes it is a very safe drug. The whole "one time you are hooked" thing is a myth. Nothing more than bullshit because I have taken...put it to you this way...I stopped counting after maybe 100 pills and I have never seen any tall tell signs of addiction or habitation.
 
eukaryote said:
Yes, they can be used productively and with minimal to no harm. There is a reason they are in the pharmacopoeia and regularly prescribed.
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Because the doctors dont care about our brains...?

I mean, a heavy dopamine release EVERY day is completely unnatural... after taking amphetamine everyday for 10+ years, even at low-medium doses, dont you think that would cause problems after a while?



Thats not rhetorical lol, in case it seems that way. I would really like to know what you think, I'm pretty sure you have a good enough back background to answer that
 
I used them in a productive manner in college. I think I only took about 20 adderall pills total in my college career. If you reserve them for finals or before a long paper or project, then they will definitely help with that as long as you only use it to do your school work and then stop. You also can't use them for more than a day or two in a row, because if you don't sleep for a couple of days then you can't be productive in school since you will be wired but the negative effects of sleep deprivation will override the positive effects. They also lose effectiveness when used too often, so that's another reason to save them for midterms, finals, and maybe a big assignment or two per semester. If you have a more steady supply such as your own monthly prescription, or a friend that has them, then it may become very difficult to limit your use.
 
Even if used almost every day, if one were to hypothetically stay in a dosage range of 10-15mg MAX of dex/adderall a day to simply treat ADD, and took all the proper supplements to prevent neurotoxicity, and proper NMDA antagonists such as Magnesium and Zinc to prevent tolerance from increasing, how can this be harmful?

Posters like Tommyboy pride themselves in taking amps so rarely (less than 5-10 times total iirc), but do dope 4-5 times a week (iirc) throughout college, which is as good of an ADD reliever as low-dose amphetamine from what I understand. No offense, man, but dopamine is dopamine is dopamine. I agree with everything you said, btw.

It's the people taking more than 20mg of dexedrine/adderall a day that are setting themselves up for failure. ADD medications should only be used to bring your prefrontal cortex DA levels to "normal transmitting" levels; basically, these should only be used to make focus normal, not provide you with forced motivation. These drugs are supposed to regulate focus, the rest is up to you.

A lot of ADD people are prescribed an abusive dosage of amphetamine, since they are using it to force themselves to do things they don't want to do.

I know I probably offended a lot of people with this post, and I meant no offense, it's just that so many non-drug addicts take tiny doses of amp that it's unfair to make assumptions about amps in general. I have to say I agree with everything written in this thread, though, and want to say this: using it for productivity and cramming schoolwork is where problems appear, using it to make your ADD brain function on an average (non-productive) level is not harmful.
 
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ErgicMergic said:
Posters like Tommyboy pride themselves in taking amps so rarely (less than 5-10 times total iirc), but he is/was an opioid addict throughout college, which was as good of an ADD reliever as low-dose amphetamine from what I understand. No offense, man, but dopamine is dopamine is dopamine.
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I'm not offended, however, I didn't take opiates while in college. I took it over summer break, but while at school I used them even less often than the adderall. I didn't have a source for opiates at my college, and I didn't look for one there since I knew it was a good thing to not have them for that time. I ordered poppy pods a few times while at school, so that was my only experience with opiates while away at school.

Could you clarify what you meant though? Did you mean that adderall gets a bad reputation, and since you thought I was using opiates in college that it went to show that even an opiate addict didn't want to seem like they used adderall much? I don't get offended on BL so I don't mind you using me as an example, I just didn't get what you meant.
 
Tommyboy said:
I'm not offended, however, I didn't take opiates while in college. I took it over summer break, but while at school I used them even less often than the adderall. I didn't have a source for opiates at my college, and I didn't look for one there since I knew it was a good thing to not have them for that time. I ordered poppy pods a few times while at school, so that was my only experience with opiates while away at school.

Could you clarify what you meant though? Did you mean that adderall gets a bad reputation, and since you thought I was using opiates in college that it went to show that even an opiate addict didn't want to seem like they used adderall much? I don't get offended on BL so I don't mind you using me as an example, I just didn't get what you meant.
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Oh, I see, my bad.

To clarify, I meant that people are very quick to decry amphetamines due to issues with neurotoxicity, anhedonia, and lack of motivation upon discontinuing use. What some posters fail to realize here is that their symptoms of amotivation and anhedonia from discontinuing daily opiate use can be just as bad as the symptoms from discontinuing daily, conservative amphetamine use.

Relying on a dopamine boost to artificially increase your productivity is the real problem, so whether you get that motivation from opiates or amphetamines makes no difference.

Minimal doses of non-methamphetamines are not neurotoxic, and not addictive; the ones who are abusing it are tainting its reputation.
 
Yea, I see that alot. My main issue with amphetamine medications though is tolerance, and also that I was very anti-social on them. If it was a day that I could just work on an assignment then it was fine, but regular days when I had class and then would usually want to hang out with friends in between made me not like the effects of the drug since I didn't want to talk to anyone on it.

I wasn't putting them down in the same way that others have been or usually do, but rather saying that I found them to be more helpful for academic purposes when used more sparingly. Also I don't like the idea of taking medications daily unless absolutely necessary.
 
ErgicMergic said:
Even if used almost every day, if one were to hypothetically stay in a dosage range of 10-15mg MAX of dex/adderall a day to simply treat ADD, and took all the proper supplements to prevent neurotoxicity, and proper NMDA antagonists such as Magnesium and Zinc to prevent tolerance from increasing, how can this be harmful?

Posters like Tommyboy pride themselves in taking amps so rarely (less than 5-10 times total iirc), but do dope 4-5 times a week (iirc) throughout college, which is as good of an ADD reliever as low-dose amphetamine from what I understand. No offense, man, but dopamine is dopamine is dopamine. I agree with everything you said, btw.

It's the people taking more than 20mg of dexedrine/adderall a day that are setting themselves up for failure. ADD medications should only be used to bring your prefrontal cortex DA levels to "normal transmitting" levels; basically, these should only be used to make focus normal, not provide you with forced motivation. These drugs are supposed to regulate focus, the rest is up to you.

A lot of ADD people are prescribed an abusive dosage of amphetamine, since they are using it to force themselves to do things they don't want to do.

I know I probably offended a lot of people with this post, and I meant no offense, it's just that so many non-drug addicts take tiny doses of amp that it's unfair to make assumptions about amps in general. I have to say I agree with everything written in this thread, though, and want to say this: using it for productivity and cramming schoolwork is where problems appear, using it to make your ADD brain function on an average (non-productive) level is not harmful.
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I can see what you're saying, and it does make a lot of sense.

I suppose the same is true for nearly everything; when one takes just the right amount of oxycodone/hydrocodone/whatever to relieve their pain, then there's no problem, but when one takes an unnecessarily high amount to force all of those really good feelings, well, that's when problems occur.

I guess the only thing that I would add to it is that it's hard to resist taking more when the outcome is so positive. If one never takes a larger dose, then yeah, there's on problem, but even accidentally, when one's tolerance goes down after taking a vacation or when one eats a meal that somehow affects their stomach acidity and the absorption of the substance (I'm thinking about people who take baking soda ? Is it baking soda that affects the absorption of amphetamine salts?) and they realize, "oh, wow, this makes boring tasks so much more interesting, and I feel so much better about myself, and I feel so much more capable and productive..." well, I am willing to bet that very few people would say, "eh, well, that was great and all but I'd better stick to my regular, doctor-prescribed dose."

But then again, who am I to say how many people would or would not go back to taking their regular dose? Maybe many people really would. I really don't know, but I guess that the point I'm making is it's a very, very easy thing to have happen, and from there things can get really bad, really fast.
 
Folley said:
Because the doctors dont care about our brains...?

I mean, a heavy dopamine release EVERY day is completely unnatural... after taking amphetamine everyday for 10+ years, even at low-medium doses, dont you think that would cause problems after a while?



Thats not rhetorical lol, in case it seems that way. I would really like to know what you think, I'm pretty sure you have a good enough back background to answer that
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I'm almost insulted by your first line. Do you think we are here to poison, maim or hurt you? Really? I'm sorry to say that is not the case. We do care about your brain, and every other organ, tissue and structure in your body.

As for the rest, there is no convincing evidence that amphetamine in therapeutic dosage results in any neurotoxicity or cognitive decline even with long term use. I have not read one good study in humans showing any such result on autopsy of long term users of prescription amphetamine in recommended dosages. So based on that, I stand by my post that it is possible to use them safely, and that I do not think they would cause a problem.
 
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