Calif. Court: Medical Pot Not OK at Work

birdie said:
Seeing that marijuana can stay in you're system for a while, stop smoking isn't a reasonable solution for someone who has a legit need for medical marijuana. It does absolutely nothing with self control in this case. And, as others have pointed out, it's perfectly okay for someone to use opiates, amphetamines, benzos, etc at work if it's prescribed for a legit medical problem, why not medical marijuana?

People need to learn to differentiate between using marijuana that's prescribed by a doctor and using it for recreational purposes. We're not talking about people getting stoned at work in this case.

so you are saying that there are no recreational effects while using marijuana medicinally? it would depend on dose, but if you smoke a fat joint when you get up your gonna be high
 
foundationx4 said:
so you are saying that there are no recreational effects while using marijuana medicinally? it would depend on dose, but if you smoke a fat joint when you get up your gonna be high
Well you need to understand the difference between recreation and unintended side effects. Say I was prescribed oxycodone for some sort of injury. Do you call the dizziness/loopiness from a normal dose recreational?
 
These companies are not protected from federal law, bottom line. I doubt insurance companies would recognise marijuana as a legitimate medicine either. You can't blame the companies in this instance.
 
time traveler said:
^ oh yeah you certainly can't have any engineers enjoying a spliff after work to wind down from the inanity spewed at them daily from their alchoholic oxy benzo addicted upper management. You don't know shit about aviation fo.

I dont know any engineer who smokes marijuana daily. Just accept the fact that responsible intelligent people dont smoke marijuana daily. Sure they may use every once in a while responsibly but not to the point where they would have to worry about it affecting their career. Also, that person in the upper management used to be sober hard worker who put in years of work for the company before moving up and getting addicted to alcohol/oxy/benzo's.

foundationx4 said:
so you are saying that there are no recreational effects while using marijuana medicinally? it would depend on dose, but if you smoke a fat joint when you get up your gonna be high

Wow, there actually are a few intelligent people on this board. Prescription medicine doses are so low that most patients dont experience a "high". Someone who's on 10mg of adderrall is NOT going to be nearly as impaired as someone who just walks into work after just smoking a fat kush blunt. Come on guys think about it.

Also, you guys also act like medical marijuana isnt just a loophole to use marijuana recreationally. All my friends are perfectly healthy 18-22 year old kids who have no need for medical marijuana yet they got it prescribed to them anyways. It really has turned into a fucking joke and I feel sorry for cancer/AIDS patients who really need the shit and who are getting fucked over because of people like me and you, we just want to get high off the shit and not get busted by the cops.

A lot of my friends even think of it as a license to sell drugs. One of my friends who's actually in county right now doing a month for distribution (he took a deal and they dropped the charge to a misdemeanor and changed it toharboring a place for illegal activity or some bullshit). This motherfucker got caught with a list of people that owed him money along with the weed/scale/etc.

Anyways, right before he got locked up he went and got his prescription renewed so when he gets out he can smoke weed and not worry about failing the drug tests which is part of the conditions of probation. I seriously dont see medical marijuana lasting much longer because of people like my friend. He's not the only one doing this shit and you know as well as I do the federal government doesnt like people slipping through the loopholes and fucking with their money. There's a lot of money involved in the business of locking people up for marijuana.
 
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I dont know any engineer who smokes marijuana daily.
I do. But I don't know any engineers that walk around telling strangers that they do.

Just accept the fact that responsible intelligent people dont smoke marijuana daily.

Really..................I own a construction related business that grosses over a million yearly, and I'm here every day doing my job with the 15 other people who's checks I sign every week.

Sure they may use every once in a while responsibly but not to the point where they would have to worry about it affecting their career.

I do use it every day and we are considered the premier business in town in my specific trade. I don't usually smoke during work hours..but once in a while I'll take one toke off of a bat when I'm having a particularly stressful day.

Also, that person in the upper management used to be sober hard worker who put in years of work for the company before moving up and getting addicted to alcohol/oxy/benzo's.

What are you talking about......you've seen too many afterschool specials.


Wow, there actually are a few intelligent people on this board.

I've met some EXTREMELY intelligent people on here, but the ratio of those people to highschoolers is disproportionate.

Prescription medicine doses are so low that most patients dont experience a "high".

The first time I ever took Hydrocodone was at work because of a back injury. I had never had any type of opiate derivatives before and I was pretty fucking lit.

Also, you guys also act like medical marijuana isnt just a loophole to use marijuana recreationally. All my friends are perfectly healthy 18-22 year old kids who have no need for medical marijuana yet they got it prescribed to them anyways. It really has turned into a fucking joke and I feel sorry for cancer/AIDS patients who really need the shit and who are getting fucked over because of people like me and you, we just want to get high off the shit and not get busted by the cops.

Actually I finally do agree with you here.

A lot of my friends even think of it as a license to sell drugs. One of my friends who's actually in county right now doing a month for distribution (he took a deal and they dropped the charge to a misdemeanor and changed it toharboring a place for illegal activity or some bullshit). This motherfucker got caught with a list of people that owed him money along with the weed/scale/etc.

In the animal kingdom natural selection would have harvested that dumb ass along time ago

I'm not to slag you but the first part of your post is incorrect, you obviously are young or hang out with people that don't have a lot going on. I personally smoke with a Custom Homebuilder whos net is a self made 18 million dollars.....and yes he smokes daily.
 
Article said:
Ragingwire said it fired Ross because it feared it could be the target of a federal raid, among other reasons.

I wonder what led them to this conclusion?
 
mariposa said:
I believe an assemblyman is already introducing a bill about this, so don't worry - we're not the only ones who think it's a fucking outrage. Pot is probably the only drug I think should be legalized that is not already legal. (I do support decriminalization of personal amounts of other substances.) I'm glad the voters in my state recognize that pot is incredibly beneficial for a variety of conditions, and I hope the wishes of California voters are respected. What could come of this but more people collecting unemployment? No one wants that. People that use marijuana under 215 are not necessarily too sick to work - and I commend them for continuing to work despite being ill enough to require medication. Medical pot users for the most part use pot so they do not have to use more addictive drugs.


Unless and until federal laws get changed those sorts of court decisions absolutely are correct. The law is the law. The Supremecy Clause is the Supremecy Clause. Glenn Reynolds and Lou Dobbs would agree 100%, as would anybody who advocates, for example, strict compliance with federal immigration laws. Because obviously one cannot argue for strict compliance with federal immigration laws but in the very next breath advocate against strict compliance with federal drug laws. To do so would be intellectually dishonest and hypocritical.


On the other hand, you have to look for emanations and penumbras in order for the Federal drug laws to be authorized by the Constitution. To be sure, in "Gonzales v Raich" SCOTUS did exactly that. But certainly reasonable minds can disagree with that, and 3 of the 9 supreme overlords did so.
 
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Trey73 said:
I do. But I don't know any engineers that walk around telling strangers that they do.



Really..................I own a construction related business that grosses over a million yearly, and I'm here every day doing my job with the 15 other people who's checks I sign every week.



I do use it every day and we are considered the premier business in town in my specific trade. I don't usually smoke during work hours..but once in a while I'll take one toke off of a bat when I'm having a particularly stressful day.



What are you talking about......you've seen too many afterschool specials.




I've met some EXTREMELY intelligent people on here, but the ratio of those people to highschoolers is disproportionate.



The first time I ever took Hydrocodone was at work because of a back injury. I had never had any type of opiate derivatives before and I was pretty fucking lit.



Actually I finally do agree with you here.



In the animal kingdom natural selection would have harvested that dumb ass along time ago

I'm not to slag you but the first part of your post is incorrect, you obviously are young or hang out with people that don't have a lot going on. I personally smoke with a Custom Homebuilder whos net is a self made 18 million dollars.....and yes he smokes daily.


I'm wrong about the first part?
Wow, you really told me didn't you. lol.

No, you don't know any engineers in the aerospace industry, I do. This is an industry where you get drug-tested in. It's not the kind of industry your in where you don't even have to be a legal citizen to work in it.

My uncles own a plumbing company that I'm sure grosses a lot more then yours and they're not exactly the brightest crayons in the box, except when it comes to plumbing of course. In southern California, they do all the Tom's burgers and KFC/Long John Silvers. Those are just 2 companies I know that they do the plumbing for ALL the facilities. They really do EVERYTHING out here in this area.

My uncle's don't smoke weed by the way, but I'm sure they could and get away with it. Of course, who knows if they would still be as successful as they are.

All I'm saying is, you don't really have to be 'book smart' at all to be extremely successful in the construction industry.

When did I say there weren't any extremely intelligent people on bluelight?
I wouldn't be here if I didn't think there were.

What's that you say, you get extremely lit off hydrocodone, while myself and the rest of the world can take 2-3 and not even feel any pain relief. Hmm... interesting.

Well, thanks for your input man, I feel really enlightened now.
 
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ot is probably the only drug I think should be legalized that is not already legal. (I do support decriminalization of personal amounts of other substances.)
Nothing short of legalizing all drugs will stop the damage caused by the "War on Drugs," which inflicts more pain and has more victims than drug use itself.

It just pisses me off when people want to pick and choose what should be legalized. It's like looking at the trees instead of the forest...
 
Sorry man, I did start flaming you and I didn't really mean to do that, I'm kinda like that when I try express my opinion and it really can be counter-productive.

I liked your response though, I was laughing the whole time. I can see your really skilled in the art of flaming yourself. haha.

Your right too, I don't really know what your personal income is so who knows if you make more or less then my uncles.

There are a lot of intelligent/responsible people who smoke weed, true, even though in my experience it did make me less intelligent/responsible. Not like it caused me to miss work or anything like that, but it's the little things like procrastinating on homework that would add up. All I really meant to say is I think that companies should be able to fire employees if they come up positive for a dirty drug test. Regardless of the drug.

You might want to try giving up your weed addiction and see how it is, maybe you'll realize your better off without it, looking back, it was definitely holding me back. Of course with someone of your age, who's already well established in their career, and in life in general, you dont have a whole lot you need to learn. Me, personally, trying to go to school and work and trying to get where I want to be in life, I have a lot I need to learn, and when I did smoke it kept me from reaching my full potential, in school especially.

Of course thats just been my experience personally, I don't have your god-like genetics, my uncles aren't 'smart' enough to get any government contracts yet.

Shit, they don't even know how to develop a weed habit. lol.

Anyways, take it easy man, and congratulations on your success.
 
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i work better when im stoned. I find jobs less mind numbing/boring and have more fun what ever im doing, i also have a friendlier attitude towards customers. My employer had no problem with me getting stoned on the job.
 
phrozen said:
Nothing short of legalizing all drugs will stop the damage caused by the "War on Drugs," which inflicts more pain and has more victims than drug use itself.

It just pisses me off when people want to pick and choose what should be legalized. It's like looking at the trees instead of the forest...

I will agree to disagree with you for reasons that I've specified many times. I don't think that people who possess/use personal amounts of drugs should be persecuted/prosecuted as a general rule due to the wastefulness in tax dollars that would be better allocated to harm reduction and rehabilitation. There are significant variations with respect to overall harm among drugs, legal or otherwise.
 
I don't think that people who possess/use personal amounts of drugs should be persecuted/prosecuted as a general rule due to the wastefulness in tax dollars that would be better allocated to harm reduction and rehabilitation.
So it's about money, ie tax dollars, and not personal freedom?

There are significant variations with respect to overall harm among drugs, legal or otherwise.
Right, the potential to cause harm varies, but that shouldn't be a deciding factor to their legality.
 
i've never really looked into the legalities of medical marijuana, but as someone studying to be a pharmacist (no, you can't have the damn keys to the narcotics cabinet, STOP ASKING!), few things piss me off more than when the federal government interferes with the healthcare system for no reason other than as a dick-waving exercise. granted, this was the courts, and yes, the law is the law, but like someone else said, it really sucks for patients who really need this stuff. i've seen people who have chronic pain or a certain type of pain where opioids do nothing but make them puke and not ever poop. no amount of fentanyl would alleviate these people's pain, but for whatever reason, marijuana makes life livable for them again. i'm hoping to learn a bit about the advocacy trade from a pain management pharmacist who works in the VA hospital across the street from where I'm staying at school. that guy breaks his back for his patients, and spends the rest of his time railing against the VA for patient abuse, amongst other things that make them rotten, vile people. personally, i'm hoping to spend a chunk of my professional career waging a vendetta against the DEA and any other organization that knows how much suffering it causes through its actions, yet blatantly ignores the consequences no matter what the response from the healthcare community is. for example, i read a story about a guy who was arrested by DEA agents (them or the local pigs, I don't recall, but the DEA was involved at the top for sure) because he had been receiving, "too much narcotic medication" and they charged him with distribution because he had his prescription bottle on him. exactly which shithead at the DEA gets to make that decision, i wonder...i'd bet any amount of money its not a doctor. so a guy being treated for legit pain gets shaken down and bullied...way to go DEA, your dick's bigger than mine...can we stop this now? its pot...IT'S FUCKING POT! you're gonna stand there and say pot is illegal and dangerous, and yet keep a drug like propoxyphene on the market...which doesn't even work? Fentanyl, a drug that can kill regular patients (and n00bs who insist on writing, "how do i shoot fent" threads) cause grandma wanted to use the heating pad for her achin' back? maybe companies should just take responsibility for the people they hire and fire the guy if he's doing a shitty job, not if he's on drugs. if he slacks off cause of drug use, fire his ass. if not, leave him alone. honestly, i think all those vitamins pediatricians prescribe for kids are pills that create an enormous tolerance for bullshit and insanity...maybe a new conspiracy theory? just for all this BS, the next time someone brings in an obviously forged CII script to my pharmacy without a date or DEA number, i might accidentally correct it and fill it. sorry for ranting, i think this might even be my first post on here, but thanks for listening to a frustrated healthcare worker. cheers.
 
stuff like this makes me so angry:X :X

how come it's always weed that gets singled out? what about some drunk losers getting into a car accident and killing everyone else but themselves, etc etc8)

:(
 
drumnbass420 said:
stuff like this makes me so angry:X :X

how come it's always weed that gets singled out? what about some drunk losers getting into a car accident and killing everyone else but themselves, etc etc8)

:(


Weed is "bad" because there aren't any big companies making tons of money off of it ;)
 
the alcohol thing has been part of my philosophy for a while...i can't fathom how alcohol remains legal and rampant while other drugs that are nowhere near as dangerous remain illegal (which in many instances MAKES them dangerous, i.e. poorly cut tar heroin). booze damages every part of the body, and accounts for so many deaths its insane...in fact my friend just got outta the hospital after a 5 month ICU stay for acute pancreatitis from drinking. people argue with me that drugs like heroin and the people who sell them are bad and wrong because they're illegal, but alcohol is legit because the gov't says so. i say the hell with that...what's the RIGHT choice? i think the guy who owns a liquor store and sells a bottle of vodka a day to the same guy cause, "he's just a regular, loyal customer!" is the scum of the earth, whereas a guy selling quality (not even potency, just stuff that isnt cut with fiberglass and powdered aborted fetus) powder heroin is just a businessman providing a service to meet demand. but the addiction argument with heroin always seems to outweigh the total organ failure part of alcohol in people's minds. if we could establish a legal heroin system (or pot, or whatever) where standards of purity and price existed, and the same DUI laws applied, i dunno, i'd take the heroin over the bottle of stoli any day.
 
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