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bye bye, red light district :(

^^^ Oh, U like insertions too! (Would that I had a good, linkable, xxx pic other than myself.)

:)

Last time I was there, half the windows were empty anyway. A chat room 4 prostitution in Amsterdam I frequent has mixed reviews on the effect of closing some of the windows.

Pity about the 'shrooms though. That was my second favorite thing about Amsterdam, besides girl-watching and hanging out in the coffee shops (Dampkringking).
 
Damn.

I've never seen one side of a debate get so thoroughly trounced like that.

Kudos bingal, DD, et al.

Since he hasn't reappeared, maybe this guy reported back to his god and was reassigned to the rectory. %)
 
qwe said:
damn two people beat me to it. i had to go do something before i wrote my post!

anyway, a quote from another dead hero,

If fucking is legal,
and selling is legal,
then why isn't selling fucking legal!?

FUCK! I was trying to remember that quote during almost every one of my posts in this thread, nicely done!
 
Beatlebot said:
No I was thinking more of women who can shoot grapes and things out of their vaginas. That's an awesome power. I can't do that.
Practice practice practice.

At least that's what I've heard--I'm available for target practice should the urge become overpowering, prefer Concord but of course you're the boss... =D
 
To expand on what I said earlier, the middle aged women in lingerie were fun to look at because they actually seemed to be enjoying themselves. The younger girls, of which there were plenty, either looked desperate for business or hopeless looking.

But that's just my perspective, from a young straight woman travelling around the world and seeing these girls my age and younger working in windows.

Not that driving this sort of thing underground helps much.
 
Even if we put aside any 'ethical/moral' feelings on the issue, I still fail to see how anyone can support prohibiting prostitution. Even if we put all feelings of whether prostitution is right/wrong aside, the bottom line is that:
- prohibiting it will NOT stop it, people who want to pay for sex still will, and those who want to sell it still will.
- making it illegal brings in all the problems associated with illicit markets, in this case pimps, the inability (or significantly reduced ability) of prostitutes to report crimes (rape, abuse, etc), and also lowers any 'standards' for the prostitutes. In the end it's worse for both the prostitutes and their customers.

It's actually kind of similar in that regard to the drug war. I guess the way I see it, regardless of whether or not you personally find drugs/prostitution to be okay, the best choice for everyone involved is to keep legal and regulate if necessary. When all's said and done, laws only serve to curtail business very minimally, if at all, yet they create an illicit market which has many inherent dangers, doesn't really matter if you're talking about prostitutes unable to report a rape (and then need to report it to their pimp, etc), or a drug dealer unable to report a robbery (and then getting his crew/guns) - the prohibition does little to reduce the 'undesirable' activities, it just makes them more dangerous for *everyone* involved, and yeah, that includes society at large.
 
Beatlebot said:
To expand on what I said earlier, the middle aged women in lingerie were fun to look at because they actually seemed to be enjoying themselves. The younger girls, of which there were plenty, either looked desperate for business or hopeless looking.

Latest news I read (an article my mom sent me -- she knows I like prostitutes and mushrooms) says they want to raise the legal age for prostitution from 18 to 21. Here's what one of the guys on that prostitution in Amsterdam bulletin board (www.ignatzmice.com) said about the kinds of women who work the windows:

*** At a forum of Prostitution in Amsterdam someone sent me this in regards to "happy hookers." ***

Hi,
this is ten years that i am practicing the amsterdam RLD and i can tell you that none of the women enjoy the sex they have with customer. I discussed a lot with many even outside windows. It does not mean some do not enjoy their job. I would classify as follow:

1/ the rip-off artist. They enjoy to rip you off.
2/ the drugged and pimped girls. they are not able to enjoy anything
3/ the pimped girls. For instance a lot of African girls in the oudekerk area. they do it because they have to pay back a lot of money. Some are really nice but they are forced to do it.
4/ the bored girls, they do it because they are pretty and find it the easiest way to earn quite a lot of money. they do not enjoy it, they just want your money and to kick you out as soon as possible. It does not mean they are rip off.
5/ the professional. They do their job as i do mine. Good provider. For instance Stella, i remember she told me "i enjoy my job not because of sex but because i meet a lot of people". Also Annie, F. from Surinam in the covered area and
many other regular workers. I have one (damned) great exception.
6/ the occasional girls. My best time (except the exception) was with them. I will not affirm they enjoyed the sex but they provide GFE and were really happy to be with you and proved it.
7/ the ones who like sex with customers and have orgasm. Never met one but i am sure some punters know many. He he.
8/ Most pre op TS. i can not fit them in any other categories.
 
Yeah, well there are a lot of people who don't like their jobs. The bored, hopeless look found on the faces of many window girls can probably also be found on the faces of office-cubicle chumps everywhere.

Window girl or office worker--if you hate your job, save your money so you can go back to school for something you really wanna do.
 
DigitalDuality said:
I unlike you don't think it's wholly negative, but i don't think it's a great thing either. You'd have to look at it case by case. Maybe there's some lonely guy out there that gives a girl money just to have someone to talk to, maybe another works 80-90 hours a week and doesn't have great social skills and just wants to feel that physical connection with someone. What harm is that for someone to provide that service willingly?

T

I believe they have that in Japan and but I dont think you can fuck em :p
 
Even if we put aside any 'ethical/moral' feelings on the issue, I still fail to see how anyone can support prohibiting prostitution. Even if we put all feelings of whether prostitution is right/wrong aside, the bottom line is that:
- prohibiting it will NOT stop it, people who want to pay for sex still will, and those who want to sell it still will.
- making it illegal brings in all the problems associated with illicit markets, in this case pimps, the inability (or significantly reduced ability) of prostitutes to report crimes (rape, abuse, etc), and also lowers any 'standards' for the prostitutes. In the end it's worse for both the prostitutes and their customers.

It's actually kind of similar in that regard to the drug war. I guess the way I see it, regardless of whether or not you personally find drugs/prostitution to be okay, the best choice for everyone involved is to keep legal and regulate if necessary. When all's said and done, laws only serve to curtail business very minimally, if at all, yet they create an illicit market which has many inherent dangers, doesn't really matter if you're talking about prostitutes unable to report a rape (and then need to report it to their pimp, etc), or a drug dealer unable to report a robbery (and then getting his crew/guns) - the prohibition does little to reduce the 'undesirable' activities, it just makes them more dangerous for *everyone* involved, and yeah, that includes society at large.
I got your pm. I kinda forgot about this thread, ha ha. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is this: regardless of the legal status of prostitution in a capitalist country (keyphrase here), women will still be exploited. I don't live in a country where it is legal, and as a result of it, some extremely horrendous things happen on the streets blocks from where I live and this is straight up exploitation of women because they are simply weaker, less fortunate, less educated. On the other side of the coin, it is still exploitation, because you are taxed for your income and elites whether it be in banks or government are profiting from your labour. Why else would they legalize it? Governments don't actually care about the whole moral issue of it, they care about the money issue of it.
You're only presenting one side of the issue: what if there were no need to buy sex or sell it?
And it is possible to eliminate prostitution (which has happened before), at least to the point where it isn't totally poisoning society, as it does in many countries.
I really don't care about the morality of the issue, I just wanted to stick it to you with those questions. The fact of the matter, regardless of legality, prostitution is a poison upon society. It is far more destructive than any drug and is exploitation as long as it exists.
And seriously, why would you PAY MONEY to have sex? If anything that's an admission of weakness that you have to labour away for hours to enjoy a stupid pleasure that lasts hardly long at all? Or you could form a meaningful relationship for free, and spend your money on worthwhile things?
 
Damn.

I've never seen one side of a debate get so thoroughly trounced like that.

Kudos bingal, DD, et al.

Since he hasn't reappeared, maybe this guy reported back to his god and was reassigned to the rectory.
He never trounced anyone. Who the fuck are you, John Madden?
 
^^^^ Howard Cosell. And you're a human goosepile who just got tackled in his own end-zone...
 
Why do you feel it necessary that prostituition be present and legal in a society?

prostitution is "the world's oldest profession".. it exists everywhere, regardless of legality.

If prostitution is legal, sex workers enjoy the same legal protections as any other worker. If you saw in the article there is even a "sex-worker's union" in A'dam

Just like the drugs, legalizing prostitution is a harm reduction measure.
 
kultron said:
He never trounced anyone. Who the fuck are you, John Madden?
lol

I'll get back to your post tomorrow, kinda drinkin now and doubt I'll give a coherent response =D
 
Like most prohibitionists, kultron is heavy on bluster and light on circumspection ...

Governments don't actually care about the whole moral issue of it, they care about the money issue of it.
They care if it wins them votes. One of the pernicious habits of governments is that they like to make enemies - preferably defenceless ones (e.g. social undesirables, minority ethnic groups, even weaker nations.) First they set them up as a menace to society, then drum up easy votes by punishing them. Prostitutes are one such easy target ... can you think of another (hint: you're posting on a druggies' forum)? In short, beating up on prossies is a guaranteed vote-winner.

I really don't care about the morality of the issue
Then why do you follow it with a moral judgment:
The fact of the matter, regardless of legality, prostitution is a poison upon society. It is far more destructive than any drug and is exploitation as long as it exists.
If this is the "fact of the matter", then you need to supply evidence, not bluster. Pimping and human trafficking are certainly poisons upon society, but why prostitution per se?

And seriously, why would you PAY MONEY to have sex?
This just shows a lack of imagination. Convenience, for one thing. The certainty of a shag, for another. The cheap thrill of transgression. The quest for new experiences. Frankly, the reasons are endless. For me, it was on my list of Things To Do Before Dying.

Or you could form a meaningful relationship for free, and spend your money on worthwhile things?
"Meaningful relationships" demand effort, commitment, inconvenience and considerable expense. For many men, a one-night stand with a prostitute is a quite rational alternative. It is also a much more honest arrangement than the average sexual relationship.
 
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