Bye-Bye Chapo Guzman

^exactly. There may be a great rearrangement, and therefore a disruption in supply. Same thing happened to Colombia's cartels after Escobar. Today, they are a shadow of their older selves. The upside is, Colombia is much more peaceful now. Same thing will happen in Mexico, especially with the vigilante squads regulating shit in the smaller cities.
 
^ But a disruption in supply doesn't really mean too much, long term, dontchya think?
Just a little blip on the screen.
People will continue to use drugs, even if they have to buy them illegally.
The only way to take power away from the cartels is to legalize everything.
 
FWIW I've read in one article that there's a theory Guzmán was mostly a figurehead, merely coordinating efforts from a few key under-bosses, so to speak.
 
I doubt there will be a disruption in supply. El mayo, his partner, is still uncaptured and they prepare for this, its expected. Wonder how long it will take him to escape this time :D
 
I doubt there will be a disruption in supply. El mayo, his partner, is still uncaptured and they prepare for this, its expected. Wonder how long it will take him to escape this time :D

I thought El-Mayo was captured trying to cross the border into Arizona or something. I don't know? I could be wrong...
 
'Free El Chapo': Mexicans March for Jailed Drug Lord

More than a thousand people marched in support of captured Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman in the capital of his home state on Wednesday, calling for his freedom.

The largely young crowd, many dressed in white, bore signs that read "We want Chapo Freed" and "We demand no extradition" as they filed across the center of Culiacan, in the northwestern state of Sinaloa, to a church on a palm tree-lined plaza.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/free-el-chapo-mexicans-march-jailed-drug-lord-n39961

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As a foreigner its really impossible to make heads or tails of whats going down in mexico.. many tens of thousands of people are dead, the cartels, police, army seem to all kinda be fighting each other. Some people are fed up with the cartels while others are staging protests for the leader of one to be released..

I guess I will just have to chalk all this up to just one more thing that makes absolutely no sense in the utterly failed, life taking, country destroying, life ruining madness, greed fueled mayhem for both cops and criminals, that is the "War on Drugs"
 
He's a ruthless killer, but he's our ruthless killer.

Never dismiss the fact that they're all completely insane.
 
I understand from reading articles about Mexico's cartels that these uber rich cartel leaders often provide a lot of support for the communities which are devastated by their existence. They often provide food, shelter, education and other things that money can buy to the poorest and most needy people. Of course, these cartels also cause significant damage to the communities that they operate in and I'm not suggesting that they are harmless, just relating something that I've read and is probably the reason people like "El Chapo" have such support among certain people in the community.
 
El Chapo Is Down, But the Drugs Keep Coming
by Duncan Wood and Cynthia J. Arnson
Feb. 27, 2014


The capture of Mexico's biggest drug lord won't have a huge effect.

The events of the morning of Saturday February 22 have now passed into popular legend in Mexico. At 6:40 a.m., agents of the Mexican navy stormed into a beachfront condo in the town of Mazatlán in the state of Sinaloa, where they found the leader of the Sinaloa Cartel, Joaquín Guzmán Loera, alias El Chapo (or Shorty) asleep in bed with his wife and an AK-47. El Chapo’s two young children were asleep in a crib nearby. Across Mexico and around the world experts, analysts, and the general public reacted with shock at the news. Most people assumed that this near-mythical figure could not be captured, others that the government was not serious about bringing him to justice.

But Guzmán’s peaceful arrest, “without a single shot being fired” (in the words of the Mexican Attorney General Jesús Murillo Karam), is just the first event in a chain reaction that is now in motion. In addition to the questions surrounding his trial, incarceration, and possible extradition to the United States, many are asking what this means for the Sinaloa Cartel, for the business of moving drugs to the United States, for the standing of the Mexican government, and most importantly, for public security in Mexico.


To address the first point, we must say the capture of El Chapo will, in itself, not seriously challenge the Sinaloa Cartel’s operational capacity. The cartel is well-organized and has experienced lieutenants in place in all of the major areas where it conducts its business. The supposed successor to Guzmán, Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada, is a seasoned veteran of the cartel and has already been handling many of the duties of running business in the organization. The cartel has enough resilience to withstand the removal of its top figure; this is what makes it imperative for the Mexican government to carry out a sustained assault on the cartel if it intends to disrupt the organization’s activities.

The last three decades of the “drug war” in Colombia offer a glimpse into what Mexico might expect in the aftermath of Guzmán’s arrest. Following the capture or killing of senior leaders of Colombia’s Medellín, Cali and Norte del Valle cartels, their hierarchical, vertically-integrated structures were replaced by smaller criminal organizations with more fluid leadership. U.S. scholar Bruce Bagley has dubbed this process of fragmentation the “cockroach effect.” Not only does the proliferation of smaller organizations make them harder to combat, they continually morph and adapt in response to changes in the state policies to combat them.

As inventive, albeit illegal entrepreneurs, drug cartels constantly seek new market opportunities, both domestically and in new regions such as Africa. Unlike in Mexico, Colombia’s internal armed conflict has provided ample opportunities for trafficking organizations to ally with guerrillas or former paramilitary groups, increasing not only the lethality of the drug trade (and its consequences for the civilian population) but also transforming the nature of the insurgent groups themselves.


Understanding the internal structure of the Sinaloa cartel is thus crucial. Rather than simply a top-down, vertical hierarchy, Sinaloa is better visualized as a series of “nodes” around which activity is organized. Mexican scholar Victor Sánchez has recently demonstrated how an effective campaign against Sinaloa would have to remove multiple leaders before the flow of drugs is affected. Indeed, the general consensus in Mexico and the United States is now that El Chapo’s arrest will do little to stem the flow of drugs northward, with demand driving supply more than any other factor.

The capture is of significant importance, however, in establishing the credibility of Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto’s security and organized crime strategy, which has been heavily criticized for focusing too much on violence reduction and crime prevention rather than taking on the criminals themselves. This highest profile arrest gives the president and his security team ammunition to reject such attacks and the inspiration to continue the struggle.

However, we should not expect a major change in the short term. Just as some of the security advances in Colombia in the 2000s pushed trafficking routes into Mexico, gains in one arena produce setbacks in others. The consequences may be unintended, but they are not unpredictable. As long as demand for drugs remains robust and profits sky-high, we will continue to chase, if not this Chapo, then others who arise to take his place.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...l-chapo-will-do-little-to-slow-the-drug-trade
 
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here's a video that shows his different hide-outs, houses, and where he was captured. that tunnel beneath the bath tub is so gnarly @ 16:40 had to connect the plug to the outlet and hit the switch on the medicine cabinet to activate it.

 
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Another Pyrrhic Victory in the Pointless "War on Drugs"
James S. Henry
Forbes 2/28/2014

Mexico’s ruling elite, the US Government, and the dwindling band of hardy drug war aficionados in the global law enforcement community all noted with great satisfaction last week’s re-arrest, after 13 years on the lam, of Joaquin Guzman Loera, aka “El Chapo,” purportedly that country’s leading illegal drug trafficker.

Interestingly, the arrest is not quite so popular with ordinary Mexicans, many of whom view “El Chapo” as a kind of Robin Hood figure, far more generous, talented, and simpatico, and also not necessarily any more corrupt or ruthless than the run-of-the mill political vermin, police thugs, and corrupt Army generals they have to put up with. At least he does not require huge protection bribes and wasteful tax subsidies.

From the perspective of investigative economics, of course we relish the drama of a J. Dillinger-type “most wanted” track down as much as the next fella. But the notion that this single arrest, or in fact any number of such arrests, will put even the slightest crimp in the global business of international drug trafficking is ludicrous.

By now we’ve had decades of cartel busting by law enforcement, from General Noriega and Pablo Escobar and the “Cali cartel” and the conviction of President Carlos Salinas de Gortari’s brother Raul, down to Felipe Calderon’s mindless, bloodthirsty six year crackdown on Mexican drug gangs from 2006 to 2012. This last fiasco cost nearly 100,000 mainly Mexican lives — the equivalent of an Iraq War right on our border.

The bottom line? None of this has made one bit of measurable difference whatsoever to the overall long-run global supply or consumption of illegal drugs. Indeed, if anything, the real street prices of so-called “dangerous drugs” like cocaine, crack, heroin, and meth are much lower today than they were in the early 1980s, before the drug war escalated.

Meanwhile, the demand for legal by-prescription drugs has gone through the roof. According to a recent Mayo Clinic survey, an estimated 70 percent of Americans now use them regularly, including about 13 percent who regularly use anti-depressants and another 13 percent on opiates and other pain killers.

According to the Center for Disease Control, in 2010, a modest 5,430 Americans died from “mental and behavioral disorders due to cocaine use,” 2,896 died from “mental and behavioral disorders due to opiods,” including heroin, 15,839 died from such disorders associated with “multiple drug use,” legal and illegal, and a whopping 33 died from disorders associated with marijuana.

By comparison, 21,392 died that year because of mental and behavioral disorders due to alcohol, 6651 died from disorders due to tobacco (in addition to the 1.88 mm claimed by lung cancer), 857 died from disorders due to caffeine, 264,129 died because of accidental poisoning by drugs or alcohol, and 51,318 died because of intentional self-poisoning by drugs or alcohol — mostly due to overdoses with prescription drugs.


So do we have a drug problem in the US? Indeed we do. But it is not one that has anything whatsoever to do with Mexico, Colombia, Bolivia, Peru, or Afghanistan. Nor is it one that ”breaking up cartels” — and thereby necessarily (uh, duh) increasing competition and supply from illicit traffickers – is ever going to solve.

Can someone please explain to US and Mexican law enforcement — as well as to New York Times journalists — the basic laws of Microeconomics 101? When you “break up a cartel,” you increase competition, boost supply, lower market price, and increase the number of traffickers involved in the business.

Indeed, that’s what has happened after each and every one of the law enforcement “victories” noted above. The recent re-arrest of “El Chapo” Guzman, as good as it may be for the professional careers of a few police, federal agents, and politicians — as well as rival cartel leaders — will prove to be no exception.

Of course the illegal drug business is profitable for dealers and their families — both in and out of prison. But it is also lucrative and power-enhancing for the law enforcement establishment and the politicians that support it. To explain the persistence of our market-defying, counterproductive drug laws, despite decades of clear evidence that they simply don’t work and create lots of collateral damage, we have to start with this perverse co-dependency.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jameshe...yrrhic-victory-in-the-pointless-war-on-drugs/
 
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