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Bunch of Random Thoughts and Questions in need of Guidance

TheCasualSmoker

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i consider my self a student of the world, there's not a day i don't think why im here,how im here,and whats out there, im sure everyone has to think about it at least once a day, so my question(s) today are as state;by the way i know the answers are going to be out of pure personal opinion and im open to all suggestion and will respect each and every comment i receive and thanks in advance!


1. So im curious a black hole devours every planet, so where do you think it takes us, maybe into another reality, maybe we just all die and thats it?


2."Death is never going to be salvation because,Death is inevitable and it is something we all don’t know about, but one thing is for sure, if you believe in any higher power,any religion, such as Buddhism if you die and you hated your life and become another human or animal, wont you just hate living forever, does time ever end, or even progress? Have we been this civilized all along and just have been lied to? And in Christianity, i thought how, if you go to heaven or hell it’s a win/lose situation, because you go to heaven for being good. what if god’s terminology of good was to kill a bus of baby's, (I know it sounds crazy just a thought guys,also id never do anything like that…) then you were in heaven a murderer, or what if being a straight edge normal christian person got you a ticket to heaven, but you truly never wanted to be christian, you wanted to experience all the sins that life can offer, so now your forced to live in heaven where everyone's good and you know you wish you had sinned, so my basic concept of these examples is why should we die just to live again in another realm or world, the world amongst we live in is hell as it is, I honestly believe that there is only hell if you truly think about it." ;this is a quote from a trip report i did sometime ago, but id like to know your opinions on the matter, no disrespect to any religion,occult,etc

3. this is a question i thought of today, Why must we be ruled my a higher power via God; why must we worship and slave for a deity, do things because someone tells us to,wheres freewill? im not saying i have evil intentions and dont respect who created us but i cant help but feel as if i praised a higher deity i would feel like a slave or lesser in some sort of way. i personally believe we are our own gods and the mind is the god of perception, i definitely encourage open minded readers to read "The Master Key System" definitely a good read and inspirational journey through subconscious and the control of the physical and subconscious mind all together. also its claimed to have been read by billionaires and millionaires across the country, so hey maybe its a radical hoax scheme kind of thing but its a good read nonetheless.

4.Where should i start to find answers i need, what mind altering substances are best to achieve ethereal ascendance.

5.Has anyone every seen an alien, i fear they look like insanely crazy like a fetus for a head or like something abusurd
8o.

Thank you all who have read and contributed to my questions; much loveeeeeeeeee yo!
 
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Preamble: We never really have a clear view of ourselves, especially no control over what others think of us. Some influences can be very subtle and you may not notice them. My advice, never stop learning and questioning and verifying. Even the oldest wisest scholar has things left to learn.

1. Hypothetically if we were sucked into a massive enough black hole (they do have different sizes) we would be ripped apart rather quickly by tidal forces. Some people might live long enough to watch the planet getting torn asunder but I imagine many would perish in minutes after being flung into the sky and torn apart lengthwise like Laffy Taffy.

It certainly would not be pleasant. Thankfully we would have some warning of massive black holes on a collision course, and even the biggest particle accelerator we have can't make a stable black hole larger than a pin head.

2. I believe in underlying natural forces of the universe, but not God. There is too much fucked up stuff to be congruent with a loving, all-powerful deity. And more importantly, we can explain many natural processes using models other than "a man/woman in the sky makes it happen".

What did you feel before you were born? That same state of unconsciousness is what happens after you die. You're not there to perceive any more. If you've ever been knocked out suddenly or put under anesthesia, there's just... nothing.

It's nice to think of heaven, and sobering to think of hell, but neither of those places has been empirically observed, nor have we had any reliable interviews with people from beyond the grave. When you die, that's just it. No pearly gates. Just neutral, flat, darkness for timeless infinity.

3. See 2.
its claimed to have been read by billionaires and millionaires across the country,
That gives exactly nothing for its credibility. I'm sure billionaires have read Harry Potter, doesn't make it true.

If you like books about the structure of the mind, I like Marvin Minsky's Society of Mind / The Emotion Machine, Douglas Hofstader's I Am a Strange Loop / Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid. There is also a poster and site called Psychedelic Information Theory that has a really good model of how your brain generates hallucinations, BTW. I also reccomend you study as much on optical illusions as you can - learning about how you percieve the world is always useful, and the human visual system is curiously full of amazing "features".

4. Read, be mindful, and strive to fill gaps in your knowledge with reliable evidence obtained by experiment (and share with others.) If you want to be a scholar of the world, you need strong scholarly foundations, and realistically... anyone can learn how to look up things they don't know and verify the sources in a matter of minutes these days.

Mind altering substances aren't required at all, but psychedelics of various sorts, dissociatives, and cannabis are generally considered User's Choice for exploring various levels of altered states. However, mindfulness, relaxation, breathing properly, etc. can bring you to altered states on your own, esp. in combination with the right setting. Dim the lights, put some trippy music on, get comfortable, and just... quiet your mind, but keep 'listening', if that makes sense. Put all the little distracting voices off to the side and just float in your chair or whatever, just being in the moment.

5. I think any self respecting aliens wouldn't touch us with a ten foot pole. Humans don't have a good record with foreign species. I also think that if the government can't cover up a couple guys breaking into a hotel room (Watergate), and a blowjob (Lewinsky)... they're not going to be able to keep the presence of aliens under the rug. It's like God; nice to think about sometimes, but never reliably observed. People, in general, have a tendency to lie. Even "eyewitness accounts" can be wildly different from reality. So I don't think there's much going for greys existing.

Area 51 exists, of course, as the Groom Lake Airbase. That's where the US testes experimental military aircraft... Predator drone, and stuff like that, were developed there.
 
1. I don't believe in black holes. Singularities are a mathematical construction that don't exist except on paper. What we think are black holes are energetic events we have yet to classify properly.

2. Heaven and hell are human concepts. So is reincarnation. When it comes to death I'm not so sure there is any great democracy, that is, we might not end up in the same place as each other.

3. I don't subscribe to freewill really. I think it's pretty clear we're organic robots and that we function 99% according to our environmental conditioning. The only reasons we don't see it so much is the complexity of our reactions, and our self-conceit.. "I am a free agent. No one controls me!". Yeh, right. That's why you're slaving for a system that fucks you and your family in the ass.

4. You don't need substances. Life will teach you a lot on its own. Getting engaged with your dreams, and meditation, can provide powerful experiences. I've done NN-DMT and had more powerful meditation experiences that that.

5. George Bush.
 
Wow thanks for the information, i actually liked how you put it, especially me having to research alot more in order to learn different looks on the subject of life, its interesting about the "organic robot" statement , seems to fit perfectly to what we are. and thanks for the book recommendations, and also the nothingness after death is the most obvious thing that came to mind about dying but i mean really, why nothingness, how are we here now if there was never anything to begin with?
 
the way i look at it, is that we exist in the first place, and we're not nothing :). we exist in the first place, so why would we stop? if something goes through the "trouble" in the first place, to exist...

1. a "black hole", i imagine we would probably die.

2. i'm not sure. i tend to blend what i have caught of buddhism, and christianity, and uhh, i don't know. many times i see this as the pit. for this reality to function as it does, bad things need to happen. there needs to be sour, for the sweet, so to speak, borrowing from a movie. that we will continue to repeat- our pattern will carry on, as long as it's "needed", and that is sort of up to us. once "we" go away, and transfer into the "nothing" (not really nothing, i picture a white, or black, or neither... i don't know), something else will fill the niche we were once in. the pattern will repeat, but it won't necessarily be us. i'm not sure if i said it's up to us, but like SS said, i don't necessarily believe in "free will". i have no idea about this one. lots of thought had, and still have, but right now it's hard to bring it to the surface to write it down. maybe some of us get some kind of relative heaven, or hell.. or escape from it all.. depending on what we're ready for/need.

3. i have seen us all as living sacrifices. i have seen God as a trickster, in respects. without the pain that we have gone through, and without the monster, i highly doubt we would have grown to be as intelligent as we have, or would maintain the level of intelligence. i tend to go with the idea of being "organic robots" as well. i am not sure about God.

4. i'll go with the others. but don't rule out psychedelics as part of it.

5. aliens... i've had some experiences. i have had a dream where i was told by a friend, Christi, that the aliens are bad, and then when i woke up, the dream still very fresh, i went to a store and parked next to a car with an Grey alien decal on the right side of it's bumper, with it's hand up, as if to say "hey!". i've never seen anything like it, beyond that point, and what i went to get in the store had some very negative consequences on my body, that i have not recovered from since.

another time i had a dream that i crawled up into a archetypal "flying saucer", that was stationary about 50 feet up, and i fell asleep inside, after not being able to control the thing. the next day a friend witnessed what he thought was a U.F.O. fly about that distance overhead, while he was tripping with a friend. just above the trees. it lit up the area in bright blue light. animals went crazy. dogs started barking in the direction it went. strange noises were heard, like machinery. i didn't hear about it that night, and that night i had a dream, which also resonated, somewhat, in the names of the people in it, and the name meanings, and what happened. my friend was in laurel when his experience happened, and my dream involved laura dern. dern means to conceal. a girl, upstairs in my house, avi (meaning, "my father") hid inside my old room (conceal). the next day was when my friend, robert, called me, so very excited, for him, telling me about his and his friend's experience. and avi, the girl i mentioned, wrote a blog about being "in his room", and then at the end, she said she was "gonna go run off into a corn field now".

i don't know. the UFO turned out to be a meteor... At least that's what it appeared as. They were tripping. But I don't often dream about aliens, so I keep an open mind. my experiences with "alien" things have been rooted with synchronicity.
 
Thank you im glad to have people who can give such open minded and non biased opinions/factual advice. its a very intresting subject indeed
 
1. Black holes have some interesting properties prior to absorbing all energy; it's all about the event horizon, it warps space-time. After the point of no return, things tend to stretch out, including the time at which time passes. It might be slowed to such an extent that would never see yourself make it into the black hole itself, everyone on the outside would have a different view of course. Then again, you may just be ripped apart and certainly, life would cease. The question is whether or not your atoms will survive, unfortunately, it's not likely anything alive will make it.

2. The contradictions of these ideologies are, in the end, made by humanity. Although, if the consciousness' sense of time and reality where severely altered during death, they may perhaps feel as though they're living through another reality, with no sense of time; akin to astral projection, dreaming, psychedelic break though, and all other manner of mind altering brain chemicals, things that would cause psychotic episodes and the like. What happens next would then, possibly be bound to that persons ideologies, and if lacking any sense of time may seem like many other life times, within ones own mind.

3. This relates to the above, being a human construct and the like. But in a similar fashion, if locked in ones mind, free will may be bound by the individual. However, in reality as a shared concept, then free will is only bound by the laws of physics; which have no reason to believe there is free will or not.

4. Perhaps mind altering substances should be saved for when you've found the answers you seek, it's far more rewarding to relish in the glory of your discoveries then pine for them with heightened senses. That's not to say they won't assist you, but nothing will assist you more then your own mind; read, write, speak and learn, contemplate and associate. The more powerful the seed is in your mind, the greater it'll blossom when the substances do reach it.

5. I doubt any one on Earth has ever seen an alien, but perhaps I'm incredibly wrong. The milky way contains 100-400 billion stars, all circled by countless planets, a percentage of which are inhabitable by humans. Mind you, humans are not the only lifeforms that can exist in the universe, nor are carbon based lifeforms. This leaves huge amounts of leeway for variation.

Anyway, in 1999, Hubble estimated approximately 125 billion galaxies all forming a kind of 'cosmic web' (Which I might add, some would say looks surprisingly like a human brain cell). As for seeing an alien, the unfortunate reality is that space is just far too large; we can't make it in time, nor could they. It might take millions of years to get to another star -as we are all limited by the universal speed of light- by which point the world may have left, or sadly, died off.

It's often theorized that living organisms cannot break free their chaotic tendencies to transcend what is referred to as a Type 0 Civilization, wiping themselves out before ever making contact with another society, and that this, is why we have never seen an extra terrestrial. I believe this is untrue, as eventually, a society would break it's atmosphere and spread from their host planet, as humanity, which is considered the lowest level of Civilization has already begun to do.

As for looking bizarre, I would almost have to guarantee it, for we are some peculiar looking creatures ourselves, and the possibilities are astronomical. The variety on earth alone is too much for one person to see in a lifetime!
 
1. So im curious a black hole devours every planet, so where do you think it takes us, maybe into another reality, maybe we just all die and thats it?

Can't really say. Ask me when I get sucked into one. :P

2."Death is never going to be salvation because,Death is inevitable and it is something we all don’t know about, but one thing is for sure, if you believe in any higher power,any religion, such as Buddhism if you die and you hated your life and become another human or animal, wont you just hate living forever, does time ever end, or even progress? Have we been this civilized all along and just have been lied to? And in Christianity, i thought how, if you go to heaven or hell it’s a win/lose situation, because you go to heaven for being good. what if god’s terminology of good was to kill a bus of baby's, (I know it sounds crazy just a thought guys,also id never do anything like that…) then you were in heaven a murderer, or what if being a straight edge normal christian person got you a ticket to heaven, but you truly never wanted to be christian, you wanted to experience all the sins that life can offer, so now your forced to live in heaven where everyone's good and you know you wish you had sinned, so my basic concept of these examples is why should we die just to live again in another realm or world, the world amongst we live in is hell as it is, I honestly believe that there is only hell if you truly think about it." ;this is a quote from a trip report i did sometime ago, but id like to know your opinions on the matter, no disrespect to any religion,occult,etc


I've had near death experiences. I wasn't DEAD dead, but I was close to it. Whether it was a product of mind or something else happening, my sensation was that of expansion. It felt like I was floating, I was bigger than I am, and I could understand more. Everything made sense. The ontological conclusion that I've personally formed from this is that for whatever reason, we can't understand things in this current form.... but maybe later, we will.

I'm also cool with just ceasing to exist. That might be nice, actually. The idea of journeying for eternity sounds like a lot of suffering.

As for time, it's an illusion like everything else. All there is, is present awareness. There is no world and no self observing it. That's just mind. When mind is shut off the world ceases to be, along with time. But... awareness is always there. Not ego, but awareness. The only time the sense of awareness has ceased for me is when I was put under anaesthetic. There was no awareness observing that. But in my NDE there was still awareness.

3. this is a question i thought of today, Why must we be ruled my a higher power via God; why must we worship and slave for a deity, do things because someone tells us to,wheres freewill? im not saying i have evil intentions and dont respect who created us but i cant help but feel as if i praised a higher deity i would feel like a slave or lesser in some sort of way. i personally believe we are our own gods and the mind is the god of perception, i definitely encourage open minded readers to read "The Master Key System" definitely a good read and inspirational journey through subconscious and the control of the physical and subconscious mind all together. also its claimed to have been read by billionaires and millionaires across the country, so hey maybe its a radical hoax scheme kind of thing but its a good read nonetheless.

Most of the modern literature on this stuff is either a money making scheme, or it's stuff that has already been said before but is repackaged with different lingo. There's no action you can take to achieve enlightenment. That's snake oil. If you want to know the truth, it will look more like letting go, surrendering, being present, and stilling mind. But if you want to take the via negativa approach and investigate the world of illusion and all of its cockamamy gurus, you can do that too. As long as you can be present awareness, none of them can really capture you.

4.Where should i start to find answers i need, what mind altering substances are best to achieve ethereal ascendance.

Meditation is all you really need. A basic breathing meditation will still your mind and show you that you are not mind. In the absence of mind, the awareness that remains is truth. It's the Dao. If you do psychedelics, read a bunch of books, or seek a bunch of gurus, then you're just getting caught up in what Daoist call "The 10,000 Things". The Dao just is. You practice being the Dao, which you already are but your mind tells you different, or you can explore the world of the 10,000 Things which are also the Dao. I just feel that present awareness cuts through all the B.S. and lets you see the world for what it really is. Everything else is just a jedi mind trick, a story to feed mind's desire to be real.

5.Has anyone every seen an alien, i fear they look like insanely crazy like a fetus for a head or like something abusurd


Hard to say. Did I simply see one of the 10,000 Things or was it a "real" alien? :P

I've seen UFOs before moving in impossible ways. I've had visions of other life forms and entities. If other sentient life is out there, I suspect that humans are pretty low on the totem, but a least a few of them care a great deal about us.

The ones I encountered in my psychedelic visions had marvelous energy.
 
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