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Buddhism or Hinduism?

brownbradley39

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Which do you think is more "correct" and captures reality the best? The forms of Buddhism with no religious or supernatural aspects to it, or the traditions of the Upanishads and vedantic portion of Hinduism?
 
Neither are more correct than the other.
There is no right or wrong,
only subjective perspective of each individual's opinion, and the beliefs one is raised by, combined with ones own experience livinng on Earth and observing what feels natural to them.

But that is just an opinion, see, not even I am correct or incorrect.

Each of the philosophies teach principals of respect, and neither use fear to hold one attached to such a belief,
the idea is to just be, and do your duty as a human being, not expecting anything in return. For good deeds will come back to you, and so will the bad ones.

Cause and effect.

But that's all based on what one considers "good" and "bad".
because everything is a matter of personal view, even though it is greatly influenced by the collective consciousness of the rest of the universe.

I find both philosophies to be greatly spiritual in the sense that you are bettering yourself, which in turn betters those around you.
Live is a wave. Both are realistic. Though Buddhism portrays its teachings in a more literal sense, and Hinduism portrays its teachings in a metaphorical sense, they both teach the same thing.

~Verri
 
Neither. You can't capture reality. It's something you have to experience directly. So.. which system leads you to that experience most easily? Well, without knowing all the ins and outs of both, from my limited knowledge of each, I would say Buddhism seems to offer a person the best chance of finding the Truth.
 
Define "better" in the context of large categories of religious traditions. I am not used to using that adjective for this class of nouns, and it doesn't strike me as a helpful one. But if I were to paint-roller groups of related religious traditions as "good" and "not good", I don't think "being correct" and "capturing reality" would be among my deciding criteria. Why? Because that's not what religions are built to do. They're built to make reality (i.e The Human Condition) bearable, not capture it. Religious doctrine and practice interface with the big bad secular world by having, to those who carry them, at least a modicum of plausibility, to which a frail and fleeting human being can hang his or her hopes and dreams that all this pain called living is for a greater cause.

Of course, religious traditions can, and in some cases probably have, succeeded at "being correct" and/or "capturing reality". And if that's what you're looking for, then really only you can decide whether any religious community's stated beliefs or actual practices based on those beliefs, fit into your own personal rubric for "correct" and "real". You might talk to people who tried out Dharmic-based religious communities -- they're not that rare in the West anymore. But interestingly enough, Westerners seldom pass these traditions intergenerationally, even in the fairly uncommon cases that they hold them close for a lifetime.

I'm not saying that this will necessarily be your experience, but I think it says something about who the Dharmic religious schools were made by, and for. Religious schools that today fall into the bucket labeled "Hinduism" are just the indigenous spiritual belief and practice systems of India. As such they are an extension or foisting of the Indian worldview, i.e. the way Indian people see themselves and their place in relation to one another and the natural world, onto the seldom-seen and largely ineffable world of the supernatural. They make references and draw analogies to relationships, attitudes, and modes of conduct that would be immediately recognizable to someone raised in that cultural milieu. I think it would be safe to say that someone born and raised by South Asians in a homogeneously South Asian community would be much more likely to find a Hindu faith profoundly moving than someone with a different background.

Buddhism is also indigenous to India, Dharmic in its basic doctrine and history, and really an umbrella grouping of many independent religious schools and communities. Many Hindus consider Buddhism part of their faith bloc, which is both historically and philosophically correct, and sheer Indian ethnocentric hubris (depending who you ask :p). The difference is that Buddhism was built to be exported and be universally accessible to anyone who reached for it for refuge. As such the vast majority of people who claim membership in a community that reveres the Buddha are not people with a fundamentally Indian way of seeing and dealing with the world. So in theory some form of Buddhism is capable of thriving in the West. But here's the kicker: Buddhism diffused out of India many centuries ago, and in each place it has taken root, it has adapted itself to become, like Hinduism in India, a logical extension of the way local followers see and relate to the secular world. Thus I have found that you cannot take the Japanese culture out of Zen Buddhism, and being an active part of a Zen community will require one to accept some Japanese cultural conceits. For a few, this is no problem, but I would guess the reasons most Westerners leave Zen circles eventually is because the terms and practices used for hinting at their place in the Greater Picture are alien and awkward to them, in a way that would not feel so to the average Japanese spiritual seeker.

In a similar way, I've met a lot of Buddhist purists, who've wanted to access the lineage of teaching closest to the source. Unfortunately there are no known Sanskrit-language Buddhist schools in existence anymore, and I don't even believe an entire set of Sanskrit-language sutras and commentary (that wasn't retroactively re-translated back to Sanskrit or another Indic language, that is), is still in existence. Even practically all Buddhist Indian citizens proximally trace their lineage, language of religious instruction, and genetic heritage to the peoples of the Himalayas. So anyway, the closest you get to the source is Tibetan schools. But the daily practice and the handing on of the verbal tradition are indelibly dyed in Tibetan culture, to the point where getting much spiritual value out of it -- as opposed so simply being a historian, philosopher, or anthropoligist about it -- requires taking on a somewhat Tibetan mindset. Probably a bit more palatable in the long term to most Westerners than turning Japanese, but still pretty different, and possibly more than you bargained for.

Do any religious communities that overtly align themselves "Hindu" or "Buddhist" have a future in the West? That is to say, robustly passed intergenerationally by the indigenous peoples of Europe? I would have to say no, though I could be wrong. What I will think you'll see (nay, are already seeing), however, is a revival of the esoteric, mystery schools, gnostic and mystical traditions of the West -- almost all of which share a distant common origin with the exoteric Dharmic faiths, BTW -- with selective borrowings from Dharmic teachings, and to a lesser extent the indigenous spiritual beliefs of other places, to fill in the gaps that have been lost to history. We'll buy the sacred milk, but not the sacred cow.
 
Thank you for all the amazing answers, I did notice that about Hinduism though! They do seem to describe their beliefs very poetically. My personal belief is to "fuse" both of them since they are so similar and gain the maximum benefit from both. And yes all beliefs about this are very subjective... I tend to notice the one key difference between Buddhism and Hinduism is that the Hindus attempt to describe the "ultimate reality" more, what Lao Tzu would call the T/Dao, the ground of the universe and unknowable and indescribable. Buddhists tend to just leave it alone as far as describing it. To me these two belief systems are the most accurate, logical, and beneficial to mankind, and the most deeply spiritual.
 
MDAO said:
We'll buy the sacred milk, but not the sacred cow.

I really like your entire post and especially this bit :)

Given that I know only the surface of both Buddhism and Hinduism, I have found Buddhism to be more accessible then Hinduism, some of which can be attributed to the culturally-specific aspects of Hinduism as mentioned by MDAO, and partially by the ability for aspects of Buddhism to be co-opted into ones own personal cosmology without needing to completely forgo ones pre-existent values and beliefs. At least that has been my own pretty limited experience. This doesn't mean that Buddhism is somehow better then anyone other particular religious idea given the extreme difficulty in ranking religions qualitatively, (at least in any meaningful way), but its focus and recognition of the potency of each individual can empower and enable one to trust themselves and make decisions, including what aspects of Buddhism one adopts; and Buddhism doesn't seem to vilify this picking/choosing, see value in people 'starting small' perhaps. This malleability surely suits the unruly and desirous western mind ;)

Either the notion of gradations of correctness is just a tautology or it references a form of a higher, inherent value system which I don't think exist.
 
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I've never found either particularly appealing, to be honest. Hinduism is a bit too much for me - too much focus on massive cosmology and the wild tales of alien seeming deities (I understand they're often interpreted as metaphors, but still), while I've always found Buddhism very morbid - that constant focus on death and suffering and how the world is so horrible that we should do everything we can to escape it as soon as possible. I've never felt very compatible, spiritually, with either of them.

By contrast, I find Taoism very appealing. The focus on seeking balance and peace, learning to navigate through life the best way possible, connectivity with nature, seeking constant self development on all levels of your being, and the fact that it's more grounded in your present moment and less focused on death and what comes after or vast mythologies and cosmologies (although it has aspects of those).

That said, I'm not an expert in Eastern philosophy.
 
I've always found Buddhism very morbid - that constant focus on death and suffering and how the world is so horrible that we should do everything we can to escape it as soon as possible. I've never felt very compatible, spiritually, with either of them.

Whilst this particular topic may be beyond the scope of this thread, I would like to point out that, perhaps an incorrect interpretation of some Buddhist tenets has influenced your thinking regarding it... I don't think Buddhists believe that there only exists suffering and hardship, but that it is inherent and persistent in our world that can actually be largely subsumed to expose what could be a more natural and pure state of calmness and living. This is a simplistic assessment, but the idea is positive and life affirming to my mind...

The focus on death in religion is often criticised but maybe reflects an overwhelming focus of humans upon death. Nearly everything we do is undertaken after being considered, at least briefly and indirectly, in the light of death ;)

Peace <3
 
They both describe cycles of death and rebirth tied to karma, and making one's way through a reality that is highly illusory. The only major difference between the two is that Buddhism thinks you can escape the cycle.

I like Buddhism a lot, but I see a major failing its tenets. If you go to most modern Buddhist centres where lay people come to learn more, Buddhism is often pitched as an ancient system of psychology whose observations have scientific comparisons. That's only true up until a point. Once you start talking about karma, death/rebirth, and the specific procedures required at death to "escape" the cycle, then you're in the territory of existential assumptions.

I prefer Buddhism because it relates across the ages, unlike Hinduism with its pantheon of Gods and what not. It just seems that Buddhists, and especially Tibetan Buddhists, are steeped in esoteric teachings that you have to spend years, even decades, "getting ready for" before they really tell you anything. What's the point? I don't feel like spending half my life maybe barking up the wrong tree. No, we all contain the answers we need within us, and if your wish for the truth is sincere enough then this simulation will give you answers.

That, and Buddhist organizations have become incredibly monolithic. The Buddha himself would call them out as shysters because of all the idol worship they do. Buddha is not to be worshiped or kowtowed to. He is you, and you are him. But... stupid people do seem to make easy prey for the collection plate.
 
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