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brotherly love - need opinions

Bent

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My younger brother (17) and a mate want to roll for the first time.
I'm lucky enough to have a switched-on, level headed brother, and enjoy an open relationship with him.
In the past, I've been open about my drug taking. As such he's wanted to try (and I can't wait for the day I can party with him), but I've always preached that he should wait until he finishes school, etc, which he's agreed.
Now, I don't want to sound like a parent - I'm not, its just I believe there is a time, place and age for all things, and 17 is just too young.
While I have no doubt that alot of his friends are rolling, and there are the obvious pressures this places on his decision, what do I tell him?
I will support him 500% on whatever he decides to do - I really appreciate and respect his decision to try it around me where he said he feels safest and more comfortable. But I really don't think he should try it so young.
My fear - he'll like to too much like I did when I first did it and get fucked up before exams, etc.
I'm sure that if I say don't, he honestly wont try it (and I don't think I'm kidding myself). I really am lucky enough to have a very solid relationship with him. But he is his own man. What do I do...?
Any thoughts, feelings, advice will certainly be appreciated. I sort of know the way I'll go - I'll let him know my feelings, and then let him make his own decision, but I guess I just need to know what others think.
Thanks in advance for your help - much appreciated.
Cheers,
Bent
 
Hey Bent,
I have a younger brother also (Im 18 - he's 16) and he knows about my use of pills. I myself didn't start until after I finished school, and think that if I had I wouldnt have done anywhere near as well as what I did in my HSC. My bro is pretty smart, and has basically come to the conclusion that he wont be having anthing other than pot and alcohol until he's finished school.
No matter what people say, pills can be addictive in some way, and I would really hate to see my bro lose his ambition to study because of them. Theres plenty of time to party once school is finished.
So yeah, tell your brother to avoid pills till hes finished school at least, and then he can experiment all he wants. It will give him something to look forward to at the end of the tunnel.
 
Geez, i wish i had an older brother like you two! I would have needed someone to keep me off pills until I finished school, but its too late now! i'm 18, but in y12, and go hard (ie do pills) about every two weeks. After Every Picture, i don't think i'll go to any more raves or do pills. Ok, I might go to Xsive DJ Assult, but thats a maybe. After that its straight into study, until the end of y12.
I agree with ya both, and now i'm jealous. Good Luck.
 
Bent I didn’t roll till I was 19 on a pilgrimage to Melb. (I don’t want to sound like I’m speaking shit hear or getting off the topic but I was disillusioned and went to Melb to find myself, among many thing I found E as well). So the point in trying (very hard apparently) is that age wise, I thing ever one so wait to avoid using E’s to escape the shit that happens when your young. That doesn’t sound like your bother but that my 2 cents.
But waiting until after exams is good, I had some shit happen before my year 12 exams so I know any distraction can effect you. And like all experiences in life (especially new ones) they take time to be dealt with and be processed even good ones like a good 1st roll or buying smoke at a servo.
Macca I thing study wise E are better than pot, you just have to wait for the come down.
Yes, you can get addicted to Es both psychologically and physiologically, yet psychologically is more likely.
PS. I don’t what to sound to heavy so a funny story: I no to brother one 20 and the other 24. The 20 years old looked after his older bother on his older bother 1st roll.
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Thanks really!
 
CrazyOz...a week after Xssesive DJ Assault is the Queen's Birthday weekend with some awsome raves like:
Paul van Dyke at Hardware
Pleazure (with internationals)
and my car reggo!!!!
um so my friend no break for you...hehehe...
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sorry to let you down...but YOU GOT TO COME TO PLEAZURE!!!!or PVD...wherever the tide takes you...or if you're lucky you can do both!!!
 
oh yeah...STAY WITH THE TOPIC STAY WITH THE TOPIC...sorry guys...what I really wanted to contribute to this topic was the following...
I took my first E for my formal, just after I finished year 12...good thing I did that too cos I haven't stopped since. so if it happened to be during the exams I would have been F!@#$D!
So my advice is that I should advise you to advise your brother not to take it until he is through with school and can go to uni and let his brain rot! Yes new fact people...your brain rotts from Es...and no it's not another myth...it's the truth...I saw it on 60 minutes!!!
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Hamlet, your not helping me here ya know! The one thing I hate about Melb is the insane number of insane party's that are held here! Every damn week there is something i want to go too. there is no justice! Maybe I should go back to Philadelphia USA where there is a good rave every, what, 3 months? hehehe.
I don't think your posts were meaningless, you backed up the authors point about wanting his brother to wait until after school, something I wish I could have done.
Anyway mate, look forward to meeting ya at EP.
 
i'm 17. i'm doing my hsc. this very moment i should b studying xcept i am bluelighting, and thinking about pilling again. it takes up way too much time !!! aarrrrggghhhh.
I SHOULD B STUDYING GODDAMNIT !!!!! can u all please abuse me off this board so i can fucking STUDY !!!! give me hell !!! i can take anything u all can throw !!!!
and if u havent taken the hint dude - get your bro to wait.
NOW FLAME ME THE FUCK OUTTA THIS JOINT !!!
 
dood i could ban you if you like, if you think it would help
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i was seriously considering banning ami after she admitted to failing some exams... you really know how to make a moderator guilty... i'm sorry this place is so good! i promise i'll make it crappier!!! just dont fail school please!!!
 
sorry CrazyOZ...but I know what you mean... soooo mannnnyyyy goooodddd parrrttiiiieeesss...you just can't say no... so here is some advice for you...quit school and become a full time 24hrs/7 days a week party animal...shouldn't be too hard
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seriously tho remember: have a break...have a kit-kat...ummm...right...btw I am just downloading a binary finary mp3...sweeet... can't wait to hear it 80% done...sorry JB I'm writting crap again
DON'T LET YOUR BROTHER PILL UNTIL HE FINISHES SCHOOL UNLESS HE IS LIKE CRAZY AUSTRALIAN OR MR.HORSE OR TONI...these guys can somehow do it...it's called MAGIK...
Also if he does it once or twice during his year 12...between the exams and so on...he'll be right...no probs...just be carefull that he doesn't become a regular user and then on top of that discovers BL...then he is trully gone...
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ban me JB...I can't stay away...2hrs a day spent (I was gonna say wasted) on this mean machine calle bluelight
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I'm only 16....
I like to think of myself as a responsible user. I eat well before, during and after a roll and pre-load with everything but 5htp which I'm getting soon enough. My desire to do well at school leads me to only rave/roll every 5-7 weeks. I've avoided a real comedown thus far which is a good thing.
I'm glad I experimented at this age but no one really knows how this affects me at such a young age. The emotional and character improvements are enough to keep me using.
I'm not trying to make a particular point I'm just giving you the perspective from someone his age.
This is a tricky situation
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what else can i say,
*PLUR*
 
I would agree with the majority on this topic. The best thing would be to wait after year 12, U really have to do ur best (if u wont to go to uni) and u need all the serentoin for that. In uni u can get by, by just passing.
My brother two is 16, myself 20, he knows of my drug use and I've told him to not try it until he's finished school. Hopefully he will listen to me.
 
I would agree with the majority on this topic. The best thing would be to wait after year 12, U really have to do ur best (if u wont to go to uni) and u need all the serentoin for that. In uni u can get by, by just passing.
My brother two is 16, myself 20, he knows of my drug use and I've told him to not try it until he's finished school. Hopefully he will listen to me.
 
Paul Van Dyk is playing at Trade. It isn't a Hardware event (I think it'd be a Future Entertainment event)
Back to the subject...keep your bro off the pills to he finishes school! Maybe you should get him to read this thread...
 
Sorry to slightly move away from the lilting voices of sound, responsible reasoning up there ("stay away until older"..."finished VCE" etc.) but I think it comes down more to the question: is your sibling mature enough to handle the decision for themselves?.
If they are very immature for their age and have previously shown an addictive personality might be present, I guess you could make a case for 'banning' drugs around them (ie. trying to disempower them), or trying very hard to keep them away from the influence of substances.
But if they are 17 or even younger and show the maturity and growth already that is needed to make decisions that affect their lives seriously, then I say leave it to them (reward their good sense with personal choice). Isn't this what we wish our parents had all had the guts to do when we were this age?!?!
You gotta' allow "smart" brains (ie. people with the self awareness to learn and change directions if need be) to make mistakes, because that's how they learn and grow. Teaching "dumb" brains is a lot harder and it's probably better to try and force them away from drugs (for their own safety) initially. Maybe they'll pick it up themselves much later, when they have the maturity to handle it...and then maybe they won't...but that's my advise.
Nobody likes to be told what to do, or to have their personal freedom infringed, no matter what age their at. If you can discern something about the person you're considering influencing before you do so, you may make a better choice for both of you...and not lose someone you love because your ego got in the way of that person's own good judgement?
my 2c....
candyflip
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candyflip I think has the right idea. Sure 17 or 16 MAY be too young but that depends on the individual. It's great to see older bros being responsible and mature enough to communicate with their siblings. I just wish my bro had been like this..*thinking* Shite! he's still like this, cos fukkin' hell he still shits me and does almost everything to discourage anything I do. Bastard.) Anyway OT...
IMO (and agreeing with candyflip) it all boils down to the person. If you outline all the pros and cons, tell some stories of first-hand experiences and generally 'be there' for them.
Geeeeeeeeeeeee-A!
 
Dear Candyflip,
While I definitely agree with you, and do believe that my brother is emotionally mature and responsible enough - so did I, and to be honest, even with quite a few years on him, I almost lost the plot for a few months. I guess that thought scares me.
And while I definitely wished my parents trusted my judgement, as painful as it is to admit, there are a lot of times I find myself repeating their words of wisdom from several years ago - often comments I swore I would never make.
On another note, many thanks to all for giving me your words of wisdom. It is truly appreciated. I think I will show him this thread.
Cheers,
Bent
 
ok plastikman...you were right and I was wrong...do you have to rub it in now???
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hehehe...seriously tho you speak the truth it's a trade event...sorry
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