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Television Breaking Bad

Yeah he needed some kind of catalyst to summon Heisenberg. He got it when he saw the Gretchen and Elliot interview. ;)

yeah, again.. my point exactly. His transformation has been much slower than I anticipated, obviously that's the cancer weakening his resolve. After he makes the call to turn himself in he gets that last little push he needs to go out with a BANG, however..... or so it would seem
 
This is the first time in about 10 years that I've given a shit about when a program will air on T.V. I am definitely deeply satisfied with this show, and don't have much to say otherwise. I've been reading comparisons between the Wire and Breaking Bad with respect to the quality of the writing. Has anyone seen both, and feel that this is generally true? If so, why?
 
This is the first time in about 10 years that I've given a shit about when a program will air on T.V. I am definitely deeply satisfied with this show, and don't have much to say otherwise. I've been reading comparisons between the Wire and Breaking Bad with respect to the quality of the writing. Has anyone seen both, and feel that this is generally true? If so, why?

The Wire is better-written, but watching Breaking Bad doesn't feel like homework.

As a writer, what would be the best way to end this series?

I would've cut it off at the end of Ozymandias, with Walt stepping into the minivan and disappearing.
 
Id like to see walt take jack and all his gang, get his money barrels back then line them up against a wall valenties massacre day style and gun them all down with his m60. He saves jesse, then fakes their deaths somehow. Jesse an d walt part as friends, walt passes from his cancer and jesse takes the money and takes care of walts family. Im pretty confidant that wont be the way it goes down...
 
The Wire is better-written, but watching Breaking Bad doesn't feel like homework.



I would've cut it off at the end of Ozymandias, with Walt stepping into the minivan and disappearing.

You would leave Jesse down in that gimpy dungeon? No sir! We need complete closure!

Perfect ending:

Jesse takes out Todd and company using the same method Mr. White used in episode 1 with Crazy-8 and Emilio.

Heisenberg uses the M-60 to completely wipe out Grey Matter.

He goes to Uncle Jack's to dispatch Jack and the gang, only to be confronted by Jesse. Jesse takes Heisenberg out, finds the vial of ricin, cooks up another batch and poisons said batch with the ricin.

Of course, Lydia has to die too. Maybe she hears a knock at the door, opens it, and sees Holly in her car seat in front of the door. She goes to pick the baby up, Holly pulls out the biggest knife Lydia has ever seen and says, "I'm the one who knocks now, bitch!" and stabs her in the throat. Fade to black...

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This is going to be so bitter-sweet. On one hand, we finally get the conclusion we've waited so long for. On the other, no more Breaking Bad! Oh well. I'd much rather see a show know when to call it quits than get 10 seasons of Breaking Bad, in which it completely goes to shit by the middle of the sixth season.
 
This is the first time in about 10 years that I've given a shit about when a program will air on T.V. I am definitely deeply satisfied with this show, and don't have much to say otherwise. I've been reading comparisons between the Wire and Breaking Bad with respect to the quality of the writing. Has anyone seen both, and feel that this is generally true? If so, why?
I don't know why people are comparing Breaking Bad with The Wire. They're both crime fiction, but Breaking Bad is an entirely fictional morality tale whereas The Wire is an artistic sociopolitical expose of Baltimore MD associated with David Simon's career as a journalist. I'm guessing people are comparing them on the internet because they share a few themes and they're both great television shows without peer and so such a comparison is all that they can come up with.
 
I don't know why people are comparing Breaking Bad with The Wire. They're both crime fiction, but Breaking Bad is an entirely fictional morality tale whereas The Wire is an artistic sociopolitical expose of Baltimore MD associated with David Simon's career as a journalist. I'm guessing people are comparing them on the internet because they share a few themes and they're both great television shows without peer and so such a comparison is all that they can come up with.

Thats the impression i was under...i thought it was just another awesome tv show. Not really much in the way of obvious comparison. Esp bc the wire touched on soo many aspects and not just the drugs.
 
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Yeah he needed some kind of catalyst to summon Heisenberg. He got it when he saw the Gretchen and Elliot interview. ;)

yeah, again.. my point exactly. His transformation has been much slower than I anticipated, obviously that's the cancer weakening his resolve. After he makes the call to turn himself in he gets that last little push he needs to go out with a BANG, however..... or so it would seem

Again though, like that interview I had linked earlier, we don't really know if that interview summoned Heisenberg. For all we know Heisenberg is done and he can't summon that same attitude back. However, just like Heisenberg had bits of Walter White in him, whomever he is now (Mr. Lambert I guess) is going to still have remnants of Walter White and Heisenberg, but he's going to be someone new. He can't go back to full on Heisenberg even if he wanted to. Just because he has a new persona doesn't mean he can't still be badass. Anyways, Heisenberg was a man of anonymity. Part of his mystique was that he wasn't well-known. He had grown into something of a legend. A name junkies and even the DEA knew, but it was never more than a name and a mystery. Being largely unknown with just the name and some stories added to his power.

This is the first time in about 10 years that I've given a shit about when a program will air on T.V. I am definitely deeply satisfied with this show, and don't have much to say otherwise. I've been reading comparisons between the Wire and Breaking Bad with respect to the quality of the writing. Has anyone seen both, and feel that this is generally true? If so, why?

I've seen every episode of The Wire at least twice. Some episodes more. Same goes with Breaking Bad. It is hard to compare the two shows, they're really not much a like. Breaking Bad focuses on a few characters while The Wire has a much wider focus and has a lot more characters; more characters than I've seen on any show actually. They are both incredible shows. I think The Wire is a little more realistic and as much as I LOVE Breaking Bad, I personally think The Wire is a little better, but I'm going to have a more definitive opinion after BB ends tomorrow night. One thing for sure is that The Wire's ending was amazing. It ended so perfectly that I couldn't have thought of a better ending if I tried. I don't want to give anything away incase anyone hasn't seen it and plans to watch it one day.

BTW, if you have seen Breaking Bad and have enjoyed it, but you have not seen The Wire, then I highly, highly recommend watching The Wire. It's well worth checking out.


The Wire is better-written, but watching Breaking Bad doesn't feel like homework.

What do you mean by that? I never felt like I had to do homework or any kind of work while watching The Wire, other than paying attention. I will recommend watching The Wire with closed captioning on though. It can be hard to understand what some characters are saying otherwise. I know some people don't like subtitles/closed captioning, but it's never bothered me. I actually prefer having it. I feel like I don't miss any dialogue that way.

This is going to be so bitter-sweet. On one hand, we finally get the conclusion we've waited so long for. On the other, no more Breaking Bad! Oh well. I'd much rather see a show know when to call it quits than get 10 seasons of Breaking Bad, in which it completely goes to shit by the middle of the sixth season.

Though it's sad that it's ending and it's disappointing that there won't be more episodes I am so glad that they are stopping now and aren't just continuing to push out seasons because the show is popular.

That was also part of the brilliance of The Wire. They planned on 5 seasons so that they could go through the series without ever having episodes that were redundant or where they were repeating storylines.

I don't know why people are comparing Breaking Bad with The Wire. They're both crime fiction, but Breaking Bad is an entirely fictional morality tale whereas The Wire is an artistic sociopolitical expose of Baltimore MD associated with David Simon's career as a journalist. I'm guessing people are comparing them on the internet because they share a few themes and they're both great television shows without peer and so such a comparison is all that they can come up with.

I think the comparisons are coming up because they are two of the greatest, most well-written shows ever and they've come out fairly close together. Plus they both deal with drugs, though it's different drugs and in different ways. I think the argument comes up when people say "Breaking Bad is the greatest show ever!" then someone else says, "No, The Wire is the greatest show ever!" and it goes back and forth from there.

Also to add what you were saying about The Wire, part of its realism comes from the shows writers and creators David Simon and Ed Burns. Like you mentioned, Simon was a journalist for The Baltimore Sun and Ed Burns was a homicide detective for the Baltimore police department and then later became a school teacher in the Baltimore school district. They both had first hand experience with the police, with the school system, and with the media, all of which were focused on throughout the seasons of The Wire. So they knew how the system worked, which allowed them to craft a realistic show.

Thats the impression i was under...i thought it was just another awesome tv show. Not really much in the way of obvious comparison. Esp bc the wire touched on soo many aspects and not just the drugs.

They are both awesome shows that had excellent writing and amazing characters. Even though The Wire touched on a lot of other aspects I think it focused more on drugs and drug culture a lot more than Breaking Bad, especially considering the premise for Breaking Bad. Plus, BB has just been about meth with a few other drugs briefly popping up. The Wire had a lot more drugs throughout and had more of the effects that drugs and the drug war have had on society. Hamsterdam is a prime example. Though I really haven't seen as much discussion as I thought I would regarding that. Hopefully more people will watch The Wire when BB ends, and maybe some new and exciting discussion will ensue. :)
 
^^^ Again, I agree for the most part Carl haha.. to be honest I think it's going to end with Walt TRYING to bring back Heisenberg in a one-last attempt to set his reputation in stone, but he will be unable to see it through and most likely die in the process. This is where I think Jesse comes in, perhaps he'll realize that as bad as Mr. White actually is, there are a LOT worse out there and finish out the mission.
Probably by blowing Lydia's teeth through the back of her head, hopefully in front of Todd. Although I think Lydia might end up in prison as well... I think someone has to, and with her accepting risks "she's not used to" I can't see it being anyone but her.
 
What do you mean by that? I never felt like I had to do homework or any kind of work while watching The Wire, other than paying attention. I will recommend watching The Wire with closed captioning on though. It can be hard to understand what some characters are saying otherwise. I know some people don't like subtitles/closed captioning, but it's never bothered me. I actually prefer having it. I feel like I don't miss any dialogue that way.

I find the Wire boring. It's a subjective reaction, but my experience is not a unique experience. For instance, many people skip season 2 and (to a lesser extent) season 5. I mean, the Wire has some great bits, but it seems that David Simon, in trying to create a product that was hyper-real, made questionable creative decisions by covering union meetings and AA meetings and (lol) the gathering of municipal permits.

I do think that comparing the two is like ranking apples vs. oranges, but since the comparison is often made, it needs to be pointed out that nobody is telling anybody to skip certain seasons of Breaking Bad.

Think of it this way: photorealist painting is an artistic genre, but is it as interesting as, say, expressionism? Any answer is subjective, but the preponderance of the art-viewing public will find expressionism more compelling.
 
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