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Television Breaking Bad

235360287471352662 said:
on a par with The Fly (which I liked)
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I understand why some people dislike it, but Fly is one of my favorite episodes. The only episode I have ever disliked was Open House. I love all the Walt and Jesse interaction.

I also want to point out the reason Walt is acting so irrational. He used to be the guy who could intimidate small time meth cooks with a glare and a phrase (Stay... Out... Of My... Territory), and he is responsible for taking out the likes of Crazy 8, Tuco (although Jesse and Hank did all the hard work) and the two drug dealers. He fashioned his ego behind being a badass, and then he comes face to Mike and Gus, who are way more badass than him, which is fucking with his identity even more than it had already been fucked with. After all he went through in season 3 as far as struggling to not become Heisenberg was concerned, he eventually accepts his fate as a bad person, and he feels like shit when he comes to this fate and realizes that he isn't king shit of king mountain. He can't handle the fact that he is in a situation he cannot think his way out of (Gus is at least as smart as him, and many times stronger), so he behaves irrationally.
 
MrGrunge said:
Why did he blow up the car???

Did I miss something, or was that just another stupid decision on his part?
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Ya I thought that was a pointless scene. Was it supposed 2 show how reckless he's become because of all the $$? Idk
 
qbjb24 said:
Ya I thought that was a pointless scene. Was it supposed 2 show how reckless he's become because of all the $$? Idk
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He is past being reckless. It was meant to show us he didn't give a fuck (and it gave the show a little bit of money with the clever product placement, but I don't mind a little bit of product placement if it leads to better scenes. It exists in every show, and frankly I would rather see real cars, or Coke and Pepsi cans, than some made up brand the director put in there in order to seem more pretentious. As long as you don't product place like Michael Bay, who deserves to die in a fire, you are OK in my book). It isn't about the money, he and his family have more than they could use, it's about what he perceives as his imminent death at the hands of Gus.
 
3 said:
He is past being reckless. It was meant to show us he didn't give a fuck (and it gave the show a little bit of money with the clever product placement, but I don't mind a little bit of product placement if it leads to better scenes. It exists in every show, and frankly I would rather see real cars, or Coke and Pepsi cans, than some made up brand the director put in there in order to seem more pretentious. As long as you don't product place like Michael Bay, who deserves to die in a fire, you are OK in my book). It isn't about the money, he and his family have more than they could use, it's about what he perceives as his imminent death at the hands of Gus.
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Thaz a pretty good take on it.
 
Holy shit that last episode was great. I loved the new portrait of Gus. We saw his underlying motives with the Cartel, and he finally looked like a human being for once in the show (before the long flashback, when he was in the elevator at the police station). Also, the flashback really surprised me. It is hard to fathom Gus ever having been weak and afraid like that, but he played an entirely different role for a moment. It is easy to see why he hates these Cartel guys so much. I love how he just goes and tortures Tio every day to remind him that he killed off most of his partners, all in the name of revenge for his "brother" (not really sure who the Max guy was in relation to Gus, but they saw each other as brothers).
 
3 said:
(not really sure who the Max guy was in relation to Gus, but they saw each other as brothers).
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I think his character is based on Chilean biochemist and assassin Eugenio Berrios, which would make Gus the former director of Chilean intelligence, Hernan Ramirez Rurango:

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backstory here

(Hector called Gus "generalissimo" in season 3; I think the weakness and fear was an act)
 
HMM, something tells me Gus and his little friend were more than just 'business partners"
 
^ Haha i see what you mean.

I think Gus is my new favourite character after yesturdays episode. And it's good to see Hank actually doing something again.

This season seems to be picking up the pace finally.
 
Ravr said:
HMM, something tells me Gus and his little friend were more than just 'business partners"
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Is this the gay vibe?

I doubt it. They wouldn't have made it through all these criminal organizations alive, plus Gus has children that he had after Max died (although we have never seen them, they had toys scattered all over his house). I'm guessing they were childhood friends who had fought in the war together, and were essentially the closest thing to family either of them had left after they fled their home country of Chile and moved to Mexico.

But holy shit I have empathy for him now. I'm hoping he and Walt can make a truce and neither gets killed. Those Cartel scum fucks need to die.
 
This episode was so awesome it was unreal. I want them to do an entire prequel to BB that properly delves into the history of Gus and Mike. It is a very interesting element they have added in. The way he (Gus) is Jessie, and his old business partner is Jessie. The fact that Gus never took revenge, or was yet to take revenge, on the Mexican guy who shot him suggests that he later understood the rationale behind the decision, and that he thinks he can persuade Jessie by doing something similar. I found it a little strange that Gus would act that way to seeing someone get killed... I mean he is supposed to be a full on psychopath who can slit a mans throat without flinching, and I don't think people are made that way by seeing their best friends shot in the head in front of them.

I think Gus doesn't even have a family, i'm not sure if he's gay. He seems the sort of person who would see them as a liability. Furthermore everyone knows where he claims to live, and although Mike is hardcore no one as calculated as Gus is going to leave his wife and kids in that position while he is at war with a cartel. I reckon Gus is going to make Jessie heir apparent while he goes into hiding, because he is willing to kill and he is business minded whilst understanding the street side of things as well as the business behind it all. It totally corresponds with the 'I like to think I see things in people' statement. Also, although Walt is a good find he is unpredictable and uncontrollable, and although he keeps getting clean scans his reliability as a 50 year old cancer survival isn't particularly long term.

Alternatively he is definitely deliberately fucking with Walt's head, making him paranoid about Jessie and making him lose the control he so sorely craves - leading Walt to the ultimate conclusion that he himself must kill Jessie to survive. Every time Walter is cornered someone who he is supposed to be relatively loyal to ends up dead, so this season could well end up with Jessie in a vat of acid.

Also - Marie was wearing black instead of purple, what could this mean? Are we going to see a stronger more confident Marie, with less fuck ups? I have more than a slight inclination that she is going to be the one who discovers from her sister about Walt's double life... either that or the fact she works in radiology will lead her to check up on Walt, only to discover his cancer has spread and become terminal! Perhaps even spreading to his brain leading to the irrationality described by Jessie when he was talking to Walt in S1 or S2 about his aunt?

What about Gus' missing history? 'I know who you are'? It could well be that Gus was high up in the Chilean military. Mike is highly trained and speaks fluent Spanish too... it could well be that Mike was a CIA operative involved in the coke smuggling in the 80s, and he met Gues that way.

On a side note who else spends the latter half of every episode thinking 'damn it it's gonna end abruptly soon at the worst moment and i'm gonna have to wait an entire week to get my fix!'?

Sorry for the long post... so many theories, so little time! For ages I was just enjoying this show in a very superficial way, but it can get really deep if you let it. Right down to little things like exact words spoken a few seasons ago.
 
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235360287471352662 said:
I think his character is based on Chilean biochemist and assassin Eugenio Berrios, which would make Gus the former director of Chilean intelligence, Hernan Ramirez Rurango:

ramirez-rurange_230x230.jpg


backstory here

(Hector called Gus "generalissimo" in season 3; I think the weakness and fear was an act)
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That is a wicked take on the whole situation! I agree with it being an act. It also explains how he was able to entirely eradicate his history, whilst the cartel still knew who he was.
 
3 said:
Is this the gay vibe?
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Yeppers!... And something tells, when all said it done, Walt will die, his annoying wife will die, Gus will go to prison, and their son will continue the legacy- a disabled, young man, who will put himself through university studying chemistry when one day he realizes.... life is a wheel ;)
 
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