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Brain destroyed from 10 years Ritalin and high dose Neuroleptics.Anja from sweden:-)

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Any studies on that?Pub med?
You know ciprofloxacine? some only have to take it 1 time,and have problems for years.
I think you are simply an advocate of the Pharmceutical Industrie...
 
chlorinated organic pesticides are harmless?LINDAN,PCP,
The familie which went in this house after we selled it both children had leucemia two years later,the father a stroke,and the wife reumatism.
And you think thats harmless?why are forums in the internet which discuss only this problem.
You have not showed me one thing that tells me to stop 3 MMC.
You say releaser are so dangerous.Amphetamines are releaserers.They give it up to 160 mg a day the phamarmacie I work to 6 year old children.
I am over 30,tho i think my brain can be called adult;-) well time will tell me.Its not heroin,nor methamphetamine.I am sure.Only the way what it does to the heart is
a problem.
And if you are wise whats your alternative???
 
He didn't say they were harmless, he said they were less damaging then your stimulant use.

Also 160mg of amphetamine a day to children?!?! That's ridiculous and way above the therapeutic ceiling (~60mg in tolerant users), definitely doing more harm then good.

Heroin is less physically damaging then the leaky heart valve you're going to have from your 3-mmc use.
 
The familie which went in this house after we selled it both children had leucemia two years later,the father a stroke,and the wife reumatism.
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And I'm sure you did extensive toxicology tests that ruled out any other possible causes.

You have not showed me one thing that tells me to stop 3 MMC.
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Well, excluding heart valve damage, depression caused by systemic toxicity to monoamine releasing neurons, dependence on taking cathinones to maintain a normal mood, neurotransmitter depletion, withdrawal when you stop, stuff like that, no, I guess I haven't presented a very good argument, have I.

You say releaser are so dangerous.Amphetamines are releaserers.They give it up to 160 mg a day the phamarmacie I work to 6 year old children.
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Right, and the clerk at the local liquor store also sells two-sixes of vodka to all the alcoholic bums. That doesn't make it healthy or safe. And doctors prescribe all sorts of treatments that don't work very well, you yourself told us that.

Certainly nobody has ever figured out that amphetamines are damaging in overuse?

I am over 30,tho i think my brain can be called adult;-) well time will tell me.Its not heroin,nor methamphetamine.I am sure.Only the way what it does to the heart is
a problem.
And if you are wise whats your alternative???
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You're right. You're an adult and you can do whatever you want. Me personally? I think the best alternative is a solid, multi-gram a day, crystal meth habit. Maybe take up self-harming, playing in traffic, risky stock market trades, unprotected sex with prostitutes. That sort of thing.
 
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Well sekio you have no Information i Did not know.
So good bye:-)
There where some mods on eve and rave which have the same personality like you.
Only black or white.You could be a shrink.Narcistic personality but knowledge,well I think you never med it to high school or University.
So please do not write to me any more or I become a little unfriendly what my opinion towards you is.
I do lots of sport,eat healthy,am 3 times in fitness club and eat every day fruits and almost no unsaturated fats.I do not smoke nor drink.
So time will tell.I do not think 3 MMC is more unhealthy than SSRI if you have pure stuff.I have 99,9% pure powder.
I think if I would be a couch potato,drink alkohol,beer,wine,eat hamburgers every day and smoke a lot.Then the situation would be different.

My few words.And please do not write any more.I am looking for someone which has longterm used 3 MMC or a replacement like Pemolin or perhaps Phenmetrazine
a few wrote to me private.So if you call out things like
Zitat:I think the best alternative is a solid, multi-gram a day, crystal meth habit. Maybe take up self-harming, playing in traffic, risky stock market trades, unprotected sex with prostitutes. That sort of thing.

You should not be a Moderator.Very poor you are this kind of human.
 
Student76 said:
Well sekio you have no Information i Did not know.
So good bye:-)
There where some mods on eve and rave which have the same personality like you.
Only black or white.You could be a shrink.Narcistic personality but knowledge,well I think you never med it to high school or University.
So please do not write to me any more or I become a little unfriendly what my opinion towards you is.
I do lots of sport,eat healthy,am 3 times in fitness club and eat every day fruits and almost no unsaturated fats.I do not smoke nor drink.
So time will tell.I do not think 3 MMC is more unhealthy than SSRI if you have pure stuff.I have 99,9% pure powder.
I think if I would be a couch potato,drink alkohol,beer,wine,eat hamburgers every day and smoke a lot.Then the situation would be different.

My few words.And please do not write any more.I am looking for someone which has longterm used 3 MMC or a replacement like Pemolin or perhaps Phenmetrazine
a few wrote to me private.So if you call out things like
Zitat:I think the best alternative is a solid, multi-gram a day, crystal meth habit. Maybe take up self-harming, playing in traffic, risky stock market trades, unprotected sex with prostitutes. That sort of thing.

You should not be a Moderator.Very poor you are this kind of human.
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SSRIs have gone through clinical trials and are tried and true (so to speak). What you want to do is use an analog of a proven neurotoxic drug, in high doses, every day. No one has used 3-MMC long-term because it has only existed short-term. I don't really know if you're looking for somebody's approval or what, however you're not going to find it in this forum because people here actually know what they are talking about.

I tried to use PCP (and analogues) every now and then for my neuropathic pain. It ended up being too often. Then it was every day and after a year I was forced to quit because of side effects and had to endure even worse pain with added anxiety/depression. It's going to be the same for you, only in your case it will be 3-mmc. You will use it for X amount of time, get Y amount of side effects, be forced to quit and then you will have to go through even worse depression and anxiety and in the end you'll be happy to end up just where you started.

I hope you can see that people here don't want to be rude, we just don't want you to make decisions that you will regret later on in life. And trust me, you will.
 
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And you will only find people who've had sporadic positive recreational experiences. Entactogens are some of the least sustainable compounds to take frequently, so you should expect severe disregulation of serotonergic transmission with daily use. I'm not sure why you would expect good things from this type of regimen.



Yes, none of these is the answer. Your response to stimulants changed with daily high-dose use; taking some other stimulant frequently isn't remotely promising.

ebola
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What do you think of Phenmetrazine? or 4,4 Methylaminorex?but I have no sources.
The best med I had was Pemoline.Its banned since 5 years here in Europe.It was pure dopamineric.

Thanks
 
Aminorex and its relatives (4-methylaminorex etc) were pulled from medical usage not only due to the 5ht2b heart valve issue but also because they cause severe pulmonary hypertension in susceptible users. The long and short of it is: regular usage of aminorex or its analogues puts a very strong burden on your heart.

We don't discuss sources on bluelight, but if pemoline worked for you I would advise you to find someone willing to synthesize it for you. Even if it is discontinued. The effects profile of pemoline is far more forgiving than a cathinone. (Espeially something like pemoline magnesium).

I already know that I'm an awful, meany, know-nothing moderator, but at least the Astra-Zeneca and Boots Pharma cheques I cash keep me happy, fed, and clothed, huh?
 
Student76, this is not a personal attack but you need to put some critical thought into this situation. After reading your three (possibly more) different threads about this specific matter I have some commentary/feedback. You continually ask for advice, and then proceed to dismiss any advice given to you as unscientific after you make completely off the wall claims (I need more dopamine and serotonin, X drugs don't work, I need X drug to function normally). Those who have responded to you obviously took the time to type out thoughtful and coherent responses, and you simply dismiss their commentary at face value. Why even seek advice if you will not logically analyze the pros and cons about what effect your actions will have on your body for the remainder of your life?

Here's the main problem that I see: you are continually justifying your own drug use over and over and over. This is seemingly fueled by your supposed knowledge about pharmacology, psychiatry, and chemistry. You claim to study pharmacology and fail to recognize that 5-HT2B agonism is directly linked to heart problems? I find something odd here, you should be careful and skeptical about what you put into your body, not seeking other drugs to use to combat your problems (4-FA, 6/5-AP(D)B, the FMA series, MDPV, etc.). This especially goes for drugs with a short history of usage in humans, little research into their metabolites/mechanisms of action, and no established safety profile.

I find this to be highly reckless and irresponsible, it's almost as if you have no regard for what you are potentially doing to yourself. Maybe you don't care, but from my point of view you are biased and dismiss all evidence so you can justify what you believe is right. I have noted it time and time again as I have followed the development of your post(s) on this subject. I believe you are playing with fire, it's only a matter of time before you get burned. I have been following this thread and began to construct arguments with evidence debunking several claims you have made in this thread, but I believe that would be a fruitless effort. I do not believe you can analyze evidence contrary to your opinions in any way. You are extremely dismissive and headstrong, I am not quite sure whether or not you are consciously aware of this.

I ask that you critically examine your beliefs and thoughts, put them aside, read my comment, and then reread all of the advice that former bluelighters have offered you. If you cannot do this, or simply refuse to do so, I do not know of a way that I or anyone else can assist you. Your behaviors and actions are extremely concerning and are damaging, it is readily apparent. I really do hope you can take a step back and consider what is happening before you irreparably harm yourself and are forced to live with the consequences. To quote Alexander Shulgin, “You must be careful because sometimes you bend something that doesn’t unbend.” I ask that you question your behavior and critically analyze the advice you have been given, I wish you the best possible outcome with regard to the matter at hand.
 
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^ this, and what sekio and everyone else has said.


- Student from Sweden and Germany, you have all the information you need here.

- You may be in a bad way, but things can get worse.

- If you look hard enough for someone who has used stimulant x long term and claims not to have been harmed, you shall find, and no progress shall you have made. The wealth of evidence presented to you here is more valuable.

- Your house's wood treatment did not mess you up.

- Stimulants are not helping you, and most stimulants have much in common in terms of where they will leave you when you stop. None are suitable for long term treatment of depression.

- Read your threads again and take people's experience seriously.
 
My comment is there are thousands of people which take stimulants like Adderall and Amphetamine for a live time.Well may be there is some tolerance.
But Cathinones are also stimulants.If you will not accept this ok.

I think there are only party people here in this forum which use those for fun or party.I dispise those people!
If you do not have severe depression than you can not live with out a med.You understand nothing in this forum.
 
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Student76, this is not a personal attack but you need to put some critical thought into this situation. After reading your three (possibly more) different threads about this specific matter I have some commentary/feedback. You continually ask for advice, and then proceed to dismiss any advice given to you as unscientific after you make completely off the wall claims (I need more dopamine and serotonin, X drugs don't work, I need X drug to function normally). Those who have responded to you obviously took the time to type out thoughtful and coherent responses, and you simply dismiss their commentary at face value. Why even seek advice if you will not logically analyze the pros and cons about what effect your actions will have on your body for the remainder of your life?

Here's the main problem that I see: you are continually justifying your own drug use over and over and over. This is seemingly fueled by your supposed knowledge about pharmacology, psychiatry, and chemistry. You claim to study pharmacology and fail to recognize that 5-HT2B agonism is directly linked to heart problems? I find something odd here, you should be careful and skeptical about what you put into your body, not seeking other drugs to use to combat your problems (4-FA, 6/5-AP(D)B, the FMA series, MDPV, etc.). This especially goes for drugs with a short history of usage in humans, little research into their metabolites/mechanisms of action, and no established safety profile.

I find this to be highly reckless and irresponsible, it's almost as if you have no regard for what you are potentially doing to yourself. Maybe you don't care, but from my point of view you are biased and dismiss all evidence so you can justify what you believe is right. I have noted it time and time again as I have followed the development of your post(s) on this subject. I believe you are playing with fire, it's only a matter of time before you get burned. I have been following this thread and began to construct arguments with evidence debunking several claims you have made in this thread, but I believe that would be a fruitless effort. I do not believe you can analyze evidence contrary to your opinions in any way. You are extremely dismissive and headstrong, I am not quite sure whether or not you are consciously aware of this.

I ask that you critically examine your beliefs and thoughts, put them aside, read my comment, and then reread all of the advice that former bluelighters have offered you. If you cannot do this, or simply refuse to do so, I do not know of a way that I or anyone else can assist you. Your behaviors and actions are extremely concerning and are damaging, it is readily apparent. I really do hope you can take a step back and consider what is happening before you irreparably harm yourself and are forced to live with the consequences. To quote Alexander Shulgin, “You must be careful because sometimes you bend something that doesn’t unbend.” I ask that you question your behavior and critically analyze the advice you have been given, I wish you the best possible outcome with regard to the matter at hand.
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Student76 said:
My comment is there are thousands of people which take stimulants like Adderall and Amphetamine for a live time.Well may be there is some tolerance.
But Cathinones are also stimulants.If you will not accept this ok.

I think there are only party people here in this forum which use those for fun or party.I dispise those people!
If you do not have severe depression than you can not live with out a med.You understand nothing in this forum.
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I have severe depression and have been DIAGNOSED by a doctor. Currently I take suboxone (also for my opioid dependence) and trazodone (also for insomnia) for it. I'm considering adding bupropion, maybe you'd be interested in trying that it's a NDRI and is safe for long term use. The matter of the fact, is stimulants do not help depression long term and actually make it worse.
 
Your question has been answered and I don't see anything else neuroscientific or pharmacological coming out of this thread so I'm closing. Anyone else that wants to respond can go to her other threads.
 
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