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Boiling Point of Salvinorin A?

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Don Luigi

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I have searched the internet and this forum and cannot find a definate answer. I would be very grateful if someone here could tell me. Mods feel free to close this thread once the question has been answered.

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Online Merck Index is a bit hard to navigate. If the melting point is 240C then the boiling point is quite a bit higher. I found someone refering to a source(though not linking) that states 300C as the boiling point but they say it's not a very reputable source.
 
Don Luigi said:
states 300C as the boiling point but they say it's not a very reputable source.
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Considering the molecular weight, that sounds low.

Edit: Sigma-Aldrich sells it, I found the catalog entry. MW = 432.

They want me to "log in" for more info. Fucking spam artists.

They are sending me a catalog.
 
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I know very little about chemistry or the properties and behaviour of materials so forgive my ignorance but I take it that there are no set formulae for calculating boiling point from molecular weight?
 
The listed melting point is 238°C – 240°C.
I’m not a chemist so I don’t know how much higher the vaporizing point and the melting point would be?
I am interested in hear more on it though. I have been wondering if smoking extract with a crack torch would vaporize more salvinorin A then a bic lighter?
And what would be too much and just burn up the chemical and waste it?
I have tried smoking the same amount of salvinorin A on tinfoil with a bic lighter and also in a Brillo pipe with more heat and direct flame from the lighter and never noticed a difference in potancey.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
I thought it broke down way before it reached a BP.
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Oh, at one atm, it would, certainly. But, it might be possible to boil it, if you pulled a really good vacuum on it.

You could heat it under vacuum, then condense it on a cold finger condensor.

However (I'm not sure what the objective is here) off the top of my head, I'd say the purification method of choice would be column chromatography.
 
Yeah I wouldn't fancy inhaling 300C smoke. I think it would be hard to get it vapourised without baking it and ruining it.
 
Don Luigi said:
I know very little about chemistry or the properties and behaviour of materials so forgive my ignorance but I take it that there are no set formulae for calculating boiling point from molecular weight?
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it's so complex, with so many interactions going on all over it, you'd have to run it through a simulation to infer a BP
fasteddie said:
No, especially for something as complex as that.

That's an exquisite structure...nice work, God!
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indeed. thanks, god

thod
 
squerll said:
I looked around for info on smoking temps and salvinorin A, the majority of people say a bic works just fine no need for a crack torch. I put an interesting link to a thread about it that has some neat temp statistics for joints and cigarettes.
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-4778.html
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As good a read that was, it still didn't draw many conclusions except for the temperature figures. Your standard clipper lighter works fine for me in a tobacco pipe or home made pipe. I'm thinking of trying some out today in my hookah but I'm not sure how effective that would be.
 
are we actually trying to inhale vapour or finely divided liquid or solid? with most things like this it is not the vapour that is inhaled, rather the desired product is vapourised and then cools into a fine mist of droplets and particles, even with nicotine which is pretty volatile.
for an idea of BP look at the gc data it has an appreciable vapour pressure at 260-300 oC otherwise GC would be a problem.

http://www.sagewisdom.org/pichinietal.pdf
 
The Biomol MSDS for salvinorin A lists the boiling point at "not available". I'm guessing you're shit out of luck. Might try asking Daniel Siebert.
 
Siebert mentions vaporizing 2.6 mg salvinorin A on his website ... entertaining read if you haven't checked it out already. If you really need the BP, I'm sure you could just drop him an email.
 
vecktor said:
are we actually trying to inhale vapour or finely divided liquid or solid? with most things like this it is not the vapour that is inhaled, rather the desired product is vapourised and then cools into a fine mist of droplets and particles,
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Probably an aerosol.As with other compounds like DMT.Samadhi_smiles,you can't see vapour,a gas is seldom visible!
 
Answered correctly,if you VAPOURIZE DMT,you'll get a gas (which in this case has no color,to my knowledge and is therefore invisible).

But what you see are finely divided microscopic liquid or (solid) particles mostly from re-condensation from the gas,though an aerosol is quite a dynamic thing and constantly changing its properties.The fact that the particles are so small makes it able to flow into your lungs.
 
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