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"Bodily Dismorphic Issues" on DMT

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In my trip report here

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=503834

I describe the phenomenon on my arm and torso melting, with no pain. Another time, my hands were transformed into bright blue rubber "hands" with three fingers and a thumb. In both cases, it felt to my mind that these Hyperspace appendages felt completely real.

PippUK termed these "Bodily Dismorphic Issues" in the thread. Anyone else have any experience with this madness while on psychedelics? 8o
 
yeh i have had that a few times while on DMT, me and a frind who shared a loaded joint both ended up looking like aliens and i know what you mena when you say it felt rel, it was like we really were aliens for a short while until we changed back.... intresting stuff
 
I sometimes refused to trip because of my acne, for exactly this reason.
 
I get this on ketamine most of the time. My body feels like it contorts into the strangest and most oddly-proportioned shapes. Very skeletal and knobby lol.

I've also felt as if my body was fused with a cube on a salvia trip.

Never had anything like it with tryps or phens though.
 
I know how you feel, a couple times I've looked down and seen 8 legs attached to me and almost fell over because I didnt know which ones to use when walking lol it was awsome
 
When I think about it, there have been a few times where the perspectives and size/scale relationships have been way out. But the radical change in material property is not something I've experienced. Your report seemed to associate it with some apprehension.
The other thing that comes to mind is staring at your own face in the mirror, or any face in a picture, while under the influence. This is a purely visual phenomena, although the properties of texture are part of it. I sometimes wonder if such facial visualisations reveal something of our relationship or feelings toward the face or person being perceived.
I have nicked that term body-dismorphic' from the desciption of a psychiatric condition in which the sufferer is convinced of the alien or 'other' nature of a limb or part of their anatomy, to the extent that they seek amputation of the offending article. I do hope no one is labouring under that disease.
Peace - Pipp
 
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^Yeah, I knew that term sounded familiar.... anyone have a DSM-IV handy? How about "Pharmacologically-induced Bodily Dismorphic Disorder?" Except I guess it's not a "disorder" if you voluntarily induced it.

Maybe "Pharmacologically-induced Bodily Dismorphic Phenomenon?" Yeah, that sounds good. I knew that hard-won degree in English would come in handy someday! =D

Yeah, Pipp, I'm talking about something WAY beyond visual distortion. My legs felt like rubber to the touch, and when I had the blue hands, they resembled something like blue rubber toy jacks, and I had control over my hands just as if I really had only three fingers (and a "thumb" that more-or-less opposed the other fingers). The hallucination had changed to something different before I could try writing or picking things up with my new, blue, rubber hands.

Such an amazing drug. Something that can have such an effect obviously makes a beeline for the heart of consciousness, to be able to manipulate it so thoroughly. My best friend, who is an MD, is scheduled to try it sometime this summer; I can't wait to hear some ideas from someone formally trained in physiology. It'd be better if he were a shrink rather than an anaesthesiologist, but you take what you can get, I guess ;).

Somewhere, the government is doing serious research on this stuff. One can only hope the proper ethical protocols are being followed. Answers to some very big questions may literally be only decades (or less) away.
 
Sounds really interesting to get your MD friend to partake. There are quite a few serious thinkers I imagine would be challenged and intellectually stimulated by a good breakthrough. Anaesthesiology sounds like a pretty relevant discipline. Their job consists of selectively turning of various parts of the CNS in order to facilitate surgery. You can put a patient to sleep (known as Induction in the trade), but their body will still repond to pain (raised heart rate etc), so analgesia is applied either centrally (using an opioid usually) or peripherally (with a nerve block, such as a spinal). Usually, paralysis is also induced to allow the management of breathing via a tube, or to allow surgery where muscles are involved in the anatomy). However the phenomenon of hallucination is not part of the repertoire, unless Ketamine is being used (It makes the patient unconscious, oblivious to pain, but does not depress breathing. A patient so dosed is placed in a quiet area to wake up so that any lingering Ketamine confusion is not aggravated. I digress - I used to work in an operating theatre long ago.
I would personally love to see someone like Richard Dawkins have a toke. Although I love his books and approve of his refusal to compromise generally about religion/spirituality, I reckon his hardcore atheism is philosophically one step too far (He is fair enough postulating his arguments against religion, but he can no more prove the non existence of a deity like scenario than those of religious persuasion can find proof to support their beliefs). The DMT experience persuaded me to be much more open to spiritual possibilities, although I am not as clever as he is, by a long stretch.
Happy exploring - Pipp
 
I get a general feeling of dissociation from my body when I smoke DMT, and it can turn into a very odd feeling when returning from hyperspace. Hands feel weird, too big or too small, or like.... I feel them to be just really strange things, dangling there on my sides-- where do I put these things? They lack any type of proper holding place, hence they just dangle and flail about awkwardly. I'm less concerned with my legs for some reason, but I guess they are subject to the same weirdness-- humans are like gangly spaghetti-beings flailing their spaghetti-limbs about everywhere, it bothers my sensibilities that I can't just fold my limbs up and place them away for safe-keeping when I'm not using them...
 
Got some good laughs out of that post, Roger. :D I'm all too familiar with spaghetti-limb syndrome.
 
Sounds really interesting to get your MD friend to partake. There are quite a few serious thinkers I imagine would be challenged and intellectually stimulated by a good breakthrough. Anaesthesiology sounds like a pretty relevant discipline.

Yes, I introduced my doctor friend to LSD 15 years ago, and he agrees psychedelics have real, qualitative potential, both as a personal tool and a means for scientists and daoctors to learn more about how the mind works. Recently, I sent him a gift of a hand-blown glass DMT pipe, a copy of DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman, and about 500 mg of first-pull white crystals. We're going camping in either Joshua Tree or Yellowstone in the fall, and we'll probably smoke together then. He may try it by himself (or with his wife, also a doctor!) over the summer.

I would personally love to see someone like Richard Dawkins have a toke. Although I love his books and approve of his refusal to compromise generally about religion/spirituality, I reckon his hardcore atheism is philosophically one step too far (He is fair enough postulating his arguments against religion, but he can no more prove the non existence of a deity like scenario than those of religious persuasion can find proof to support their beliefs). The DMT experience persuaded me to be much more open to spiritual possibilities, although I am not as clever as he is, by a long stretch.

Interesting. I had a period of heavy DMT use about a year ago that upset the apple cart of what I thought I believed in. I found some comfort in a book called Spiritual Emergency by Stanislav Grof, of all people! :D

I should read The God Delusion again (the last time was 2-3 years back), and see if I see Dawkin's claims in a different light now.
 
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