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...it further encouraged my use and curiosity in drugs.

There are many people who come to this site and get worth while information, but I'd like to know that once you have that information does the temptation to do more get stronger? Is Bluelight actually doing a public service or is it furthering the decline of individuals.

A little bit of back ground on myself. I moderated DC for a few years all the while maintaining a serious opiate addiction and finishing my bachelors. I want to hear your thoughts on this matter, is this really beneficial?
 
It all comes down to the person. A person's temperament, genetics and family history, self-control, and other factors. Bluelight doesn't buy you a bag. Bluelight doesn't force you to do lines. Bluelight doesn't whisper in your ears, "Do it just this one time and then you'll quit forever". It's all rationalization.

Personally for me, I would have found some way to sickly rationalize my use. "Oh it's erowid/Bluelight/420chan/etc". Nope, sorry. It all begins and ends with me. I am the creator of my own destruction.
 
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I can relate, I used to be a member of another (Dutch) harm reduction drug forum and it certainly sparked my curiousity for quite a few drugs. Though it is extremely likely that I would've tried these drugs too with only wiki pages to read up on them (or erowid). Just any source of information. Even if there was no website in existance on the subject of drugs, I probably would've found a way to (like Sister_M0rphine said) rationalize my drug use, like hearing experiences from other users, which would not at all have been equally safe as it's very subjective. Also, dosage information is very important and is best covered on boards like these IMO.

So, I agree with Sister_M0rphine that the addiction/trying of new drugs is about the individual rationalizing. I remember I used to read for example 10 trip reports on a drug, and if 9 seemed unenjoyable, or dangerous (addiction potential I mean) I would take my information from that 1 trip report that made it sound safe and fun.

After a while though, the forum had become "a part of my drug use" and I couldn't use it to fool myself into rationalizing my use anymore. All in all I'm more educated on the subject of drugs than I would've ever been without that forum (or BL for that matter). And now I consider myself to be more aware of the dangers that come with using.
 
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I think most people don't really come here looking for harm reduction info. Imo.
 
Heroic said:
I think most people don't really come here looking for harm reduction info. Imo.
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Def not. Even the people who make posts about getting through withdrawal ask questions like "What drugs should I take to help me get off this other drug so I don't have to deal with the consequences of my actions?"

I've given responses about eating healthy, exercising and staying completely off of drugs as the best way to get better after an addiction or E binge or something similar, and unfortunately those posts don't get taken that seriously. For all the good information you can find on these forums it seems like most users here are closer to addicts than people with balanced lives.
 
Though Bluelight has clearly expanded far beyond the scope of a straightforward harm reduction website, I think the effect that it has upon drug users as a group is at least value-neutral. This website provides a online hub of sorts in which drug users are invited to congregate, socialize, and entertain themselves/each other. Whether you walk away with stronger compulsions or not (at least IME and IMO) has far more to do with you than it has to do with the relative efficacy of Bluelight's various harm-reduction apparati. Case in point: Since becoming more active on BL, I've been using less and less.
 
Ive always been curious about different drugs even before i came to this website and i really would like to try everything before i die.

So in terms of knowing the drugs effect, how to dose and signs of an overdose, bluelight is huge for me in harm reduction. Being a member of bluelight is definitely better than not being a member, especially with my attitude towards drugs.
 
You take what you want from it. I'll tell you one thing, my IV technique is 100X safer than my friends due to the stuff I learned on here, and I had already used a needle before coming here. I don't anymore but that's besides the point. I've also learned about dangerous combos to avoid, and have found ways of making my withdrawals easier so I could kick.

I was already a drug user when I found this site and the only new drug I tried since then was MDMA and I would have done that regardless of being a member on here or not. My drug use basically stayed the same, but I just did the drugs in a safer manner.

People shouldn't be deprived of HR info just because others may use the info the wrong way, so that's where I stand on it. Having said that, I know that BL has enabled others to use more, but the benefits outweigh the negatives.
 
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Def not. Even the people who make posts about getting through withdrawal ask questions like "What drugs should I take to help me get off this other drug so I don't have to deal with the consequences of my actions?"

I've given responses about eating healthy, exercising and staying completely off of drugs as the best way to get better after an addiction or E binge or something similar, and unfortunately those posts don't get taken that seriously. For all the good information you can find on these forums it seems like most users here are closer to addicts than people with balanced lives.
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Addicts should practice harm reduction just like any other drug user, it's actually even more important to do so when you're an addict. Sure, staying off drugs is the healthiest/best solution, but this site is mainly about HR for people who already use drugs.
 
def made me more curios about injecrting, but when i made the choice to do it, at least i had a guide with correct info. its kind of a catch 22. we provide harm reduction by advising ppl how to use drugs safely. using drugs generally inst considered safe in many circles lol i dunno tho, i am sure it has helped countless of people, and also helped turn a bunch of ppl into junkies and hard core drug addicts.
 
i'm sure bluelight has saved countless lives. If there were no information then there would be far more complications. Most drugs are not toxic to the body so drug use isn't inherently unsafe but there can be risks. Information is the best way to mitigate these risks. I probably wouldn't have gotten into benzos or opiates without the internet itself but i also knew what to expect and received support from bluelight members when i went into withdrawal.

Some big things i learned from bluelight:

- do not mix CNS depressants (especially benzos and opiates)
- do not mix MDMA with DXM
- do not abuse benzos or use them every day
- how to properly use psychedelics (allergy test, working your way to the ideal dose)
- how to spot signs of addiction

most of these seem like common sense but when i first started using drugs i had no idea about any of this. I don't even think i knew what a benzo was. The goal isn't harm removal so preventing drug use isn't the issue. We know from experience that it only makes things worse to tell people not to use drugs at all and not provide information on how to safely use them.
 
PillToChill said:
Addicts should practice harm reduction just like any other drug user, it's actually even more important to do so when you're an addict. Sure, staying off drugs is the healthiest/best solution, but this site is mainly about HR for people who already use drugs.
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I didn't mean to imply that people shouldn't do drugs, but when it comes to withdrawal and such I feel like people on these boards go out of their way to look for a solution that involves more drugs, when usually that's the worst thing you can do.

I still think Bluelight is a positive influence otherwise I wouldn't come here. The safe injection techniques and such that I learned here were a massive help. Heroin didn't ruin my life, but getting an infection from not injecting properly could have.
 
I think it all depends how you look at it...the advice coming from the wise moderators always seems to be harm reduction IMO.
 
I've been lurking on here for a good while and have used Erowid in the past. I think if it wasn't for these websites I would've definitely ended up taking a stupid combination at some point and at best would've caused some nasty damage to myself.
 
For me Bluelight has essentially ended my drug experimentation. Not my drug use, but my experimentation. I am convinced from what I have read here that my current drug of choice is the best value for its risk and that any other drugs I may try have too many negative consequences to justify getting into. Its nice to consider my experimentation days as over, I am confident that I will never become addicted to anything other than what I currently use. I am much more wary of opioid addiction now than I was prior. I will never do any hard opioid. That said, my drug of choice is kratom. As an opioid naive person, kratom is potent enough for me. More importantly, its addiction is easy to manage and ultimately it is pretty self-regulating as repeated excessive use makes it no longer fun. Thus, my current drug use and future drug use is simply occasional kratom usage. I may resume smoking herb in future too. But overall, Bluelight has definitely been harm reduction. That's me though, I'm sure if I was already a drug addict when I started here, its harm reduction potential would be limited.
 
I found BL after I tried MDMA for the first time and I wanted to know more about it. I hadn't tried any other drug before that (well unless you count alcohol, and only like a drink or two, never actually drunk). Yeah, BL gives me information to all sorts of things. But I do believe that BL is giving me pretty good information and helping reduce the harm in my drug use.
I mean, I probably would have found out about these other drugs at some point. Probably later if there wasn't BL.
But I get GOOD information here. Who knows, maybe I would have overdosed on some random drug previously. I never would have thought to "test" drugs before using them before. But now I won't take any new drug without looking it up on BL first. Seeing what I can and can't mix it with. Checking out dosages. Trip reports. All sorts of things. Safety. Harm reduction.
 
Bluelight has saved my life multiple times. I was determined to try every drug there was way before I found bluelight. God I dont even like to think about some of the stuff that uneducated heroin users told me that I just laughed about because of this site. I know I would have lost an arm prolly worse. This site is so important it really cannot be understated.
 
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