cduggles
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I had a chuckle when I read this. You’re already there dude. At least halfway.When is my race going to be looked at as a permanent charity case, to where I'll get the position, even if I'm mediocre?
I had a chuckle when I read this. You’re already there dude. At least halfway.When is my race going to be looked at as a permanent charity case, to where I'll get the position, even if I'm mediocre?
That's quite a roundabout way to say "I'm a White Supremacist."
Roughly one sixth of the US population is African American, for whatever reason, they commit a disproportionate amount of crimes.
Xorkoth said:If the problem has nothing to do with race and racial history, then what do you propose it IS because of?
Xorkoth said:If it's not because of systemic issues related to their race, then it's hard to see how one would argue that it isn't simply because of some inherent aspect of them as people, which is quite a racist way of looking at it, no?
Burnt Offerings said:What 23, I've read enough of your posts on here to know where you are politically-speaking, so I know that what I'm about to say won't change your mind. But racial equality is an aspirational thing...it's not something that will ever be fully realized or executed to completion in a way where everyone is completely equal, but that doesn't make it any less valuable as a goal to be worked towards.
In Australia they did a royal commission into systemic racism. The data does not support the idea that significant racism exists, but people just assume that's wrong. The commission is corrupt or something.
BLM should be PLM.
That's basically what I meant.Interesting. I found it more long winded than roundabout.
How is it a personal attack, when they literally said as much in their post?Do you find it easier to use personal attacks than to respond to his questions?
I read that 3 times, dont fully understand some points , what repatriation would resolve racial issues? You'd have an answer to this, wouldn't you?
Maybe there IS no amount of repatriation that can make up for past misdeeds, ever.
*shrug*
That's basically what I meant.
Criminal justice reform would be a start.What recompense do you feel will solve all racial inequalities in America right now ?
I doubt any amount of anything would do anything to heal America.
It just takes generations and shifts in population demographic over that time to become as part of history as slavery was.
Australia is not America.
wealth inequality
WHY is there a far higher percentage of black Americans in poverty? You said we should stop pretending the problem exists to solve it.
There is a problem... Are you saying that hundreds of years of racial oppression (which you certainly admit happened, right?) which ended very recently in history doesn't affect the current state of things?
A combination of statistics, listening to people's stories, and what I have actually seen shows me that we still have progress to make in getting rid of systemic racism, at least in America
But it is possible to see all the shades of gray. As you say, it is complicated. It seems like willfully shutting out a lot of evidence and the experiences of others who are not you to try to just state "nope, none of the problems facing these people has anything to do with race, it's just a variety of other problems". I'm admitting to the existence of all of these problems and it seems like you're really interested in outright denying one aspect of the problems facing American society.
I think we need to work on changing police culture and training and intelligently allocate funds to be more heavy on treatment and mental health and rehabilitation instead of punishment, and de-militarize the police.
And we need to work on discriminatory attitudes in individuals and various communities, which is a much harder problem to tackle.
If you can't surmise how America is racist on your own, no one's going to be able to show you anything to shift your opinion. Desegregation was not that long ago, and we still have a political system that's been redlined and gerrymandered around racial lines. You understand that the black community is still overcoming slavery and Jim Crow right? That is what people are talking about when they talk about white privilege. White families have had generation after generation to build wealth and achieve economic success. Black families have had significantly less time, and thus their communities are still trying to overcome poverty.They are similar in this context. Both countries are young so they don't have a long colonial history. Their history is simple. They came and "stole" land and did horrible things. Europe is a mess of overlapping wars and falling empires. Australia is just white vs black.
I don't believe you want wealth to be equal.
Welfare certainly doesn't help. There are more black Americans (percentage wise) now in poverty than there used to be fifty/sixty years ago.
Nobody moves back to Africa.
Define it and show me it.
The system is structured around fairness. If there is systemic racism, define it. Show it to me. Anecdotes mean nothing. Not because I'm soulless. They mean nothing because we're not talking about the individual. We're talking about trends. We're talking about the big picture.
When there is a racist cop (of course they exist) we deal with that cop. Beyond that, I'm not sure what to do. That's a specific problem. That's the anecdote. The racist cop. You deal with him. But show me the systemic stuff that is complicated. In a population of over 300 million, show me the evidence of it.
I agree to some extent - you can't take power away from the police in the US - but this police thing isn't a racial issue. The police are a work in progress. Generally they are good people trying to do the right thing for their communities. Same as teachers. Sometimes there are bad eggs. Training can always be better.
Casual racism is not a systemic problem that can be solved and it shouldn't be mixed in with serious issues that require practical solutions. Not to say that it doesn't occur in that context (as it does in every context) but it doesn't help calling everything racist. We need to be able to see what is racist and what isn't.
If America is racist - not individuals in America - show me.
Specificity is important.
How is it a personal attack, when they literally said as much in their post?
I could go on and on about how white privilege is real and they're just trafficking in racist trite, but would they read it?
It's no wonder so many white people struggle to understand what racism is.
deficiT said:White families have had generation after generation to build wealth and achieve economic success. Black families have had significantly less time, and thus their communities are still trying to overcome poverty.
✿dai₷y✿ said:His reference to being a '"white supremacist" read as a sarcastic rhetorical question, not that he actually is one.
What 23 said:I am a White Supremacist, for my certain natural preferences and orientations- That I like blond women and children better than I like black ones (natural tendency, what I want, not to say I hate the black ones), that I care first/most for those with my likeness, they give me no other choice, in their framework- In their framework I am either White Supremacist or White Betrayer, the scale between, and I choose SUPREMACIST.
Do you think everyone thinks like you?This statement seems alien to me because I do not think of people in terms of colour.
I did read his post with an open mind. Did I reach for a panic button? I merely echoed what he himself said. The post is full of "waahh white genocide" bullshit. White people aren't under attack. People are being held accountable and they don't like it.I read his posts with an open mind. If you have succumbed to the temptation of writing him off as a racist no matter how much effort he puts in then that's on you.
That's the problem with being labelled as a racist yet not being one at all is theres nothing that can be done to repair that and he may as well not come back here, right?
A simple matter of an odd posting style different language shouldn't be that hard to handle.
His reference to being a '"white supremacist" read as a sarcastic rhetorical question, not that he actually is one.
White privilege might be real yet so is the sentiment that it's just a brush off and put down which shouldn't happen because of EQUALITY. Not everyone is American you know .
Can you address his questions without reaching for the "OMG OMG RACIST "WHITE SUPREMIST' panic button?
Probably not eh?
Anyway, glad.
Again, classic misunderstanding and bankrupt "color blind" philosophy. This is a common sentiment of middle class white folks over the past 40 years. Of course there's poor white people. But they are not poor "because" they're white.People should stop separating people into white and black. BLM is an economic issue more than a pigment issue.
This statement seems alien to me because I do not think of people in terms of colour.
The problem with white and black privilege (rather than individual privilege) is: there are a lot of poor white people that are suffering. The term "white privilege" is unnecessary and inaccurate. You are not privileged because of the colour of your skin. White people don't have equal privilege (within themselves) and black people don't have equal privilege either. This is precisely why we should treat people according to their individual circumstances rather than the colour of their skin.
Black kids from good neighbourhoods shouldn't have advantages with college entrance exams. If you take race out of it, you can still help people according to class. This is a better approach.
But they are not poor "because" they're white.
cduggles said:Do you think everyone thinks like you?