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Minneapolis Officer Derek Chauvin Released on Bond

Minneapolis officer Derek Chauvin, who was charged in the killing of 46-year-old George Floyd in May, has been conditionally released from a maximum security prison in Oak Park Heights, Minnesota on a $1 million bond on Wednesday. All four officers involved in Floyd's death are now out on bond.

I don't agree with this, but suppose if bail is set it can be met and these guys can be free until trial. Next question is will Chauvin suicide (by his hand, or someone else's) before he gets to trial?
 
Honestly Italians have no right to judge crimminal immigrants. They can reap that karma for teaming up with nazis. Germans and italians i will never forgive so i don't care if some africans are murdering them.
Holy shit you're insane.
Statistically speaking, blacks commit most crimes in every country they inhabit. Norway, Finland, USA and many others, like Germany. I've spent lots of time looking at them and I'm ready to give sources for this at any given moment.
In United States blacks are 13% of the population, but do over 55% of violent crime. How is that possible?
 
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Holy shit you're insane.
Statistically speaking, blacks commit most crimes in every country they inhabit. Norway, Finland, USA and many others, like Germany. I've spent lots of time looking at them and I'm ready to give sources for this at any given moment.
In United States blacks are 13% of the population, but do over 55% of violent crime. How is that possible?
Let’s see those stats and sources, please.
 
I second this, let’s see them @DeadManWalkin' .
Okay, here's some rape statistics from capital of Finland.
Finland has kind of funny way to get statistics, since our law prohibits all kind of racial profiling - but this is profiled by citizenship.
Over 50% of Helsinki's rapes are committed by foreigners https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/1079c522-d061-4c7c-bdad-6c8420f5550d
Some cities do racial profiling, since recently it has proven itself to be needed and as police is quoted on the article "The statistics speak very dark language."
Here's some basic statistics from Finland, where they show how much more times someone of X nationality than native is likely to be suspect of a crime.
"Men from Iraq are 12.8 more likely than Finnish men be suspect of a rape."
Funny stuff to read.
 
^ ok, but your specific claim was "Statistically speaking, blacks commit most crimes in every country they inhabit. Norway, Finland, USA and many others" so figures about men from iraq aren't really relevant, are they?

could you post some evidence to substantiate your actual claim please?

thanks.

alasdair
 
^ ok, but your specific claim was "Statistically speaking, blacks commit most crimes in every country they inhabit. Norway, Finland, USA and many others" so figures about men from iraq aren't really relevant, are they?

could you post some evidence to substantiate your actual claim please?

thanks.

alasdair
oh yeah, i was just waiting for somebody to actually answer this thread so i find it.
there are figures of men from somalia there if you're interested. put it into a translator. somalis are black.
how this thing should be counted is not "Oh, blacks don't commit over 50% of crimes so they don't do the most crimes"
Well, but how much likely is one black person to commit crime compared to one white person? That's when we come to interesting conclusions.
Blacks are like 1% of population here. Of course they're not going to lead but in few areas of criminality. But when you look at statistics it's clear that they commit much more crimes than the native Finn.
yes, the way how it's supposed to be counted.
here's a link to wikipedia page where you can look up statistics.
fbi also has them on their website, but it will take me once again time to dig em up since their websites suck ass.
on 2019 blacks did 56% of muders on US.
"Using figures for the 2013 racial mix of the population–62.2 percent white, 17.1 percent Hispanic, 13.2 percent black–we can calculate the average likelihood of a person of each race attacking the other. A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around. A Hispanic is eight times more likely to attack a white than vice versa."




This is for the US part, I can keep digging if you wish :)
 
@DeadManWalkin'

Thanks for taking the time to provide the information.

One of the caveats with statistics is how they are interpreted and that requires context.

When you see Black people disproportionately represented, do you ask yourself why or take the numbers at face value, possibly allowing (even unknown) biases to confirm and/or deny them?
 
@DeadManWalkin'

Thanks for taking the time to provide the information.

One of the caveats with statistics is how they are interpreted and that requires context.

When you see Black people disproportionately represented, do you ask yourself why or take the numbers at face value, possibly allowing (even unknown) biases to confirm and/or deny them?
I'm sure I do have some biases, but so do we all. I actually have thought about the why question a lot and reached my own conclusions.
I think statistics in case of US, a country where I have never been to and most of it's media seems biased, would be the most rational way to gain perspective.
I did lots of digging on the statistics about police shootings and the results blew my mind. I have post here with all the sources, I'll copy and paste it for you.
 
well, you certainly posted some numbers but a lot of what you posted isn't really relevant. your claim was: "Statistically speaking, blacks commit most crimes in every country they inhabit."

statistically, the most crimes. in every country.

i don't believe you've come close to substantiating this claim. so, please, can you support your claim with some evidence?

thanks.

alasdair
 
This BLM Co-Founder and Pro-Communist China Group Are Partnering Up. Here’s Why.

Sep 15th, 2020 7 min read
Mike Gonzalez

Imagine that far-right demonstrators were laying siege to American cities for months, led by activists explicitly calling for an “ethno-state,” and that one of their groups was funded by an outfit involved with Vladimir Putin’s Russia. It would lead the news every day and there would be congressional hearings, right?

And rightly so. The threat of foreign interference in our domestic affairs is a serious matter, whether the suspects are rivals such as Russia or friendlies such as Mexico. This is especially the case if a foreign power were abetting unrest that aims to topple our constitutional order.

Well, the scenario described above is happening, though not with Russia or the far right, but with China and the leftist disturbances upending America and seeking to transform it.

Yet, there has not been a peep from the media or Congress about China’s support of the riots.

Go to the website for the Black Futures Lab, a venture of Black Lives Matter founder Alicia Garza, and click on the “Donate” button. It will ask you to send your money to an obscure organization, the Chinese Progressive Association, explaining that “Black Futures Lab is a fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.”

History of Chinese Progressive Association

The CPA was founded in San Francisco in 1972 during the heady days of the Marxist-oriented Asian American Movement, and today it also has a very active chapter in Boston. From its start, it has been a promoter of the People’s Republic of China.

According to an authoritative 2009 Stanford University paper tracing its early days to the present, and which can be found on Marxist.org, “The CPA began as a Leftist, pro-People’s Republic of China organization, promoting awareness of mainland China’s revolutionary thought and workers’ rights, and dedicated to self-determination, community control, and ‘serving the people.’”

The CPA, continued the paper, “worked with other pro-PRC groups within the U.S. and San Francisco Bay Area … Support for the PRC was based on the inspiration the members drew from what they saw as a successful grassroots model that presented a viable alternative to Western capitalism.”

One of the ways it did this was by holding “film screenings that were open to the public, sometimes showing Chinese films as well to facilitate understanding of the country’s revolutionary ideas. … CPA also took the lead with groups such as the U.S.-China People’s Friendship Organization to celebrate China’s National Day on Oct. 1.”

To this day, CPA Boston continues to be a partner of the PRC in the United States. Three years ago, the Boston chapter teamed up with China’s Consulate General in New York to offer Chinese nationals the opportunity to renew their passports, getting praise from China’s official mouthpiece, China Daily.

In 1997, CPA-Boston sponsored the raising of the PRC’s flag for the first time ever over Boston’s City Hall to honor the takeover of China by the Chinese Communist Party, just as the Stanford paper says has been CPA practice from the beginning. The event was organized, again, with the Chinese Consulate.

These events now take place with some regularity. Chinese Consul General Sun Guoxiang, traveling from New York, was on hand at a similar event in Boston in 2014 to say: “The common interests are far more important than differences between U.S. and China.”

Suzanne Lee, a co-founder of CPA-Boston, also spoke at the 2014 event, noting her efforts to promote better U.S.-China relations.

The Chinese flag-raising event in Boston in 2019, marking the 50th anniversary of the communist takeover of China, drew protests.

Another CPA co-founder, Lydia Lowe, said in a written “personal statement” in 1997: “McCarthyism is behind us. The Cold War is behind us.”

However, in an essay that she co-authored last year on the Marxist revolutionary site LeftRoots, Lowe sounded as though she wanted to start another Cold War, writing that Asians should play a role in creating a “revolutionary strategy” that would achieve a “fundamentally different society.”

And CPA-San Francisco drew praise from China’s mouthpiece China Daily just a few weeks ago, for taking part again in Black Lives Matter demonstrations in San Francisco.

Black Lives Matter Opposes Capitalism

It is clear, then, that CPA Boston works with China’s communist government, pushes its agenda here in the United States as CPA San Francisco does, and that both CPA chapters are regularly praised by China’s state-owned mouthpieces. It is clear, too, from this perspective, why the CPA would sponsor a new enterprise by Garza: They espouse the same desire for world communism.

Garza sits atop a worldwide revolutionary empire, starting with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation she founded, which now has 15 chapters in the U.S. and several more all over Canada, Australia, and Europe. As Foreign Affairs wrote in its September/October issue, “Today, BLM has a global network of dozens of chapters. This number will likely grow exponentially in the coming years.”

Garza is also behind the Movement for Black Lives, with its 50 domestic organizations. In July she said, “We helped to also pull together an ecosystem that was much broader than the organization that we founded, and that ecosystem is called the Movement for Black Lives and it is taking the world by storm.”

Movement for Black Lives is unabashedly anti-capitalist, saying on its website, “We are anti-capitalist. We believe and understand that Black people will never achieve liberation under the current global racialized capitalist system.”

So is Garza, and she means to use her international platform to end world capitalism. In 2015, she told an important gathering of global Marxists, “It’s not possible for a world to emerge where black lives matter if it’s under capitalism, and it’s not possible to abolish capitalism without a struggle against national oppression.”

There, she portrayed BLM as an offshoot of the Black Liberation Movement, the Marxist pan-Africanist Movement. “BLM, BLM,” she said coyly.

Last year, Garza told a roomful of Maine progressives, “We’re talking about changing how we’ve organized this country, so that we actually can achieve the justice that we are fighting for. I believe we all have work to do to keep dismantling the organizing principle of this society, which creates inequities for everyone.”

Role of Black Futures Lab

Two years ago, Garza created the Black Futures Lab, the organization that the Chinese Progressive Association funds, as yet another asset in the vast Garza empire. By the looks of it, it acts as a sort of a lobbying arm of this empire.

As Colorlines put it when it was launched on Sept. 26, 2018, Black Futures Lab “seeks to engage advocacy organizations and legislators to advance local-, state- and federal-level policies that make Black communities stronger. It will also craft strategies that harness Black political power to bring those policies to fruition.”

“Today, we are launching the Black Futures Lab as a way to mobilize around our needs, hopes, and dreams,” Garza told Colorlines in an emailed statement. “For too long, people have spoken for us and perpetuated false representations of the issues that drive our votes.”

This legislative clout adds to the organizing muscle that the Black Lives Matters Global Network Foundation and the Movement for Black Lives organizations already bring.

As I wrote at City Journal last month, the BLM organizations have been the nerve center of this year’s protests: “They have been laying the groundwork for years, carefully cultivating a network of groups that could organize protests when the moment came and amplify the message through social media.”

Communist China has put its vast propaganda apparatus to work in support of the mayhem that has wreaked havoc in American cities this year. China is, after all, a rival of the United States, and would see weakening of U.S. society and the country in general as advantageous.

The involvement of an outfit as closely associated with the Chinese government in the funding of one of Garza’s ventures is something else entirely, however.

Maybe journalists and congressmen have not seen it till now (I myself hadn’t until Jenny Nguyen, a graduate of The Heritage Foundation’s Young Leaders Program, alerted me to it).

But now they have.

This article has been updated to clarify the roles of CPA San Francisco and CPA Boston, and again Oct. 12 to add detail to events involving them and to correct the date of the first raising of the Chinese flag at Boston City Hall to 1997.

 
30 PHILADELPHIA POLICE OFFICERS INJURED AS TENSIONS ERUPT IN WEST PHILLY FOLLOWING FATAL POLICE-INVOLVED SHOOTING
By 6abc Digital Staff and Katherine Scott
Updated an hour ago

More than 30 detained, 30 officers injured after unrest in West Philadelphia overnight following a fatatl police-involved shooting
PHILADELPHIA (WPVI) -- More than 30 people have been detained and at least 30 police officers have been injured as tensions erupted in West Philadelphia after police shot and killed a man allegedly armed with a knife.

Police said in total 30 officers have been injured in events related to the unrest in the city following the shooting of Walter Wallace.

Authorities said officers confronted Wallace, who was reportedly armed with a knife Monday afternoon. Police said Wallace was shot multiple times by two officers after he didn't adhere to calls to drop the weapon. He was later pronounced dead.

Officials said most of the injuries to officers that occurred overnight are reported to be the result of being struck by projectiles, such as bricks and rocks.

One officer, however, a 56-year-old Philadelphia Police Sergeant, was struck by a pickup truck in the area of 52nd and Walnut streets around 12:45 a.m. Tuesday. Officials said she sustained a broken leg and various other injuries. She has been admitted to the hospital in stable condition.

The 29 other officers have reportedly been treated and released from area hospitals.

Looting was captured on on video Tuesday morning. Chopper 6 was overhead as people could be seen running from a Foot Locker store.

Foot Locker looted following police fatally shooting knife-wielding man

The shooting of Wallace happened around 3:50 p.m. Monday when officers responded to a domestic call along the 6100 block of Locust Street.

'Put the knife down': Man shot, killed by police in West Philadelphia identified

Wallace was allegedly brandishing a knife and officers repeating "Put the knife down, put the knife down," can be heard in video recorded at the scene.

The names of the officers who fired the shots have not been disclosed. Police said both officers were wearing body cameras and were taken off street duty pending the investigation.

Hours after the shooting, a group broke windows and vandalized vehicles along 52nd and Pine streets in West Philadelphia .

The group is also believed to be responsible for broken windows at a number of buildings in University City, including a police station and a Starbucks.

In West Philadelphia, dumpsters were set on fire as police struggled to contain the crowds late Monday night. More than a dozen officers, many with batons in hand, formed a line as they ran down 52nd Street chasing protesters away from the main thoroughfare.

Destruction reported in Philadelphia after fatal police shooting

Philadelphia Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw said the shooting video raises questions, but she assured the community that a full investigation is underway.

"I have directed the Officer Involved Shooting Investigation Unit to begin its investigation. I recognize that the video of the incident raises many questions. Residents have my assurance that those questions will be fully addressed by the investigation. While at the scene this evening, I heard and felt the anger of the community. Everyone involved will forever be impacted. I will be leaning on what the investigation gleans to answer the many unanswered questions that exist. I also plan to join the Mayor in meeting with members of the community and members of Mr. Wallace's family to hear their concerns as soon as it can be scheduled."


 
Normally we (severely) disagree on these issues, but I'm having a hard time arguing against your statement in this case. Still sad, all around.
It’s cunts like this that make all cops nervous.
nervous cops shoot first ask questions later.

George Floyd was a drug dealing armed robber that threatened pregnant women and was an all round violent bastard and some idiots think the rest of the world should kneel in his honour. 😂😂😂
No great loss really is it.
 
It’s cunts like this that make all cops nervous.
nervous cops shoot first ask questions later.

George Floyd was a drug dealing armed robber that threatened pregnant women and was an all round violent bastard and some idiots think the rest of the world should kneel in his honour. 😂😂😂
No great loss really is it.

And... we're back to severely disagreeing ;)
 
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