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Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

you still have not substantiated your claim that these people were blm members.

my town is full of raccoons - maybe it was filmed here?

alasdair
Why should I even bother? You will claim, as usual that these disgusting people do not really represent the racist hate group black lives matter, or just deny that they are in the racist hate group black lives matter. 😒 8)
 
Why should I even bother? You will claim, as usual that these disgusting people do not really represent the racist hate group black lives matter, or just deny that they are in the racist hate group black lives matter. 😒 8)

weak. You surrender so easily, the claim cannot possibly be true.
 
Why should I even bother? You will claim, as usual that these disgusting people do not really represent the racist hate group black lives matter, or just deny that they are in the racist hate group black lives matter. 😒 8)

If you were able to substantiate your claim, it would be difficult for anyone to deny, correct?
 

Suspect in Fatal Portland Shooting Is Killed by Officers During Arrest

Law enforcement agents killed Michael Forest Reinoehl while trying to arrest him, four officials said. He was being investigated in the fatal shooting of a supporter of a far-right group.

SEATTLE — An antifa activist being investigated in the fatal shooting of a right-wing counterprotester who was part of a pro-Trump caravan in Portland, Ore., was killed on Thursday night when authorities moved to arrest him, according to four law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation.

The officials said the suspect, Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was shot by officers from a federal fugitive task force during the encounter in Lacey, Wash., southwest of Seattle.

An arrest warrant had been issued by the Portland police earlier Thursday, on the same day that Vice News published an interview with Mr. Reinoehl in which he appeared to admit to the shooting, saying, “I had no choice.”

The Portland police had been investigating Saturday’s shooting death of Aaron J. Danielson, one of the supporters of President Trump who came into downtown Portland and clashed with protesters demonstrating against racial injustice and police brutality.

Mr. Reinoehl had been a persistent presence at the demonstrations in Portland over recent weeks, helping the protesters with security and suggesting on social media that the struggle was becoming a war where “there will be casualties.”

“I am 100% ANTIFA all the way!” he posted on Instagram in June, referring to a loose collection of activists that have mobilized to oppose groups they see as fascist or racist. “I am willing to fight for my brothers and sisters! Even if some of them are too ignorant to realize what antifa truly stands for. We do not want violence but we will not run from it either!”

In the Vice interview, Mr. Reinoehl said he acted in self-defense, believing that he and a friend were about to be stabbed. “I could have sat there and watched them kill a friend of mine of color, but I wasn’t going to do that,” he said.

On July 5 during the protests, Mr. Reinoehl was charged with resisting arrest and possession of a loaded firearm, but the case was later dropped. At the end of July, he showed a bloodied arm to a journalist with Bloomberg QuickTake News and said he had been shot while intervening in a fight.

Reese Monson, a leader in the local protest movement who also helps organize security, said all the people who helped with security in Portland, including Mr. Reinoehl, were trained on de-escalation.

“He was excellent at that,” Mr. Monson said.

Mr. Monson said the security designees have been trained to approach potential agitators and politely ask them to leave. They have also been trained on how to conduct physical removals but are cautioned to try to avoid such measures because they can cause things to escalate. Mr. Monson said Mr. Reinoehl would often come over to discuss how to appropriately handle potential agitators.

The night of the shooting began with a large crowd of supporters of Mr. Trump gathering in the suburbs. They planned to drive hundreds of vehicles carrying flags around the highways of Portland, but many of them eventually drove downtown, where protesters have been congregating regularly. Once there, some Trump supporters shot paintballs into the crowd, while people on the streets threw objects back at them. Some fistfights broke out.

As evening turned into night, video appears to show Mr. Danielson, who was wearing a hat with the insignia of the far-right group Patriot Prayer, and Mr. Reinoehl on a street along with a few other people. One person was shouting, “We’ve got a couple right here.”

The man who captured video of the shooting, Justin Dunlap, said it appeared that Mr. Danielson reached to his hip.

“He pulled from his side, just like he was pulling a gun,” Mr. Dunlap said.

But in other video shot during the encounter, someone can be heard flagging that Mr. Danielson was pulling out a can of mace. “He’s macing you, he’s pulling it out,” the person warned.

It appeared from the video that Mr. Danielson sprayed mace just as two gunshots could be heard, and Mr. Danielson went down.

Portland has seen escalating conflicts involving guns over the past few weeks. On Aug. 15, a person allied with right-wing demonstrators fired two shots from his vehicle, the authorities said. A week later, during open clashes on the streets, another right-wing demonstrator pulled out a gun.

Mr. Reinoehl said in his social media posts that he was once in the Army, and hated it, although an Army official said no record of service could be found under his name. In the Bloomberg interview, Mr. Reinoehl described himself as a professional snowboarder and a contractor.

His daughter was on scene during the July interview, and he said she had also been present during the encounter that left his arm bloodied.

“The fact is that she is going to be contributing to running this new country that we’re fighting for,” Mr. Reinoehl said. “And she’s going to learn everything on the street, not by what people have said.”

Mr. Reinoehl’s sister, who asked to remain anonymous because the family has received numerous threatening phone calls in recent days, said police officers asked if screenshots from videos from the night of the shooting looked like her brother. She said they did, but she said she has not seen him since three years ago, when she said family members broke off contact with Mr. Reinoehl after escalating conflicts.

At the beginning of June, in the days after the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis triggered nationwide protests, Mr. Reinoehl began posting about the need for change.

“Things are bad right now and they can only get worse,” he posted on June 3. “But that is how a radical change comes about.”

A few days later, authorities in eastern Oregon reported that Mr. Reinoehl was apparently racing his 17-year-old son as the two were driving in separate vehicles at over 100 miles per hour. Among other violations, authorities cited Mr. Reinoehl with driving under the influence, unlawful possession of a firearm and driving while uninsured.
 
What annoys me is BLM came to my elders seeking solidarity against the white man.
Where are they when my people are killed? No where in sight.
My father said years ago that they(blm) was nothing but a bunch of people who couldn't take personal responsibility for their actions.
My father was in a residential school and a slave for a Farmer. At 17 he joined the army and never once blamed anyone for his failures(which were few) but himself.
Although he could have used his native status to not pay taxes but he never. He didn't believe he deserved a free ride more then anyone else
Blm and their followers won't go anywhere in life blaming the white man. Just like my father wouldn't have been successful if he had their attitude.
The world owes you nothing, get a job and don't break the law.
 
Top 10 Reasons I Won't Support the #BlackLivesMatter Movement

Ryan Bomberger
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Posted: Jun 05, 2020 10:25 AM

Every life unjustly killed deserves justice. In the cause to make things right, I will not join a movement that has nearly everything wrong. More innocent lives have now been killed (including cops) since these predominantly violent protests began over George Floyd’s horrific death. What about the black lives killed in this nationwide chaos? Do they matter?

“Well, you don’t have to agree with everything. Just pick out the good things in the #BlackLivesMatter movement,” I’m told. Really? Let’s apply that same logic to another example. I’ve been repeatedly approached to partner with New Black Panthers in anti-abortion billboard campaigns. We agree on the violent injustice of abortion, and that’s it. Our worldviews are diametrically opposed. But, but, but they believe unborn lives matter! That doesn’t matter. Their mission is not my mission. I cover all of this in-depth in my new podcast, Life Has Purpose.

Yes, #BlackLivesMatter. But Truth matters. As a Christian, the Church should be leading on these issues instead of sheepishly following a deceptive movement hostile to the Gospel.

The original BLM founders, the #BlackLivesMatter Foundation (BLMF), created it to radically shift culture. The far-left Ford Foundation, the world’s largest population control organization, vowed in 2016 to raise $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives (MFBL)—a nationwide coalition of BLM groups (including BLMF). MFBL released a shocking manifesto of policy positions that are deeply political and deeply disturbing.

Drawing mostly from those positions, here are the top 10 reasons why I will never support the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

The premise isn’t true. I hate racism. And I hate when it’s used as a political weapon. According to the FBI’s latest homicide statistics, I’m 11 times more likely to be killed by someone of my own brown complexion than a white person. Also, a comprehensive 2019 study concluded: “White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers.” Every loss of life is tragic, but Washington Post’s database on police-involved deaths puts things into further context. In 2020, among those killed were (all males): 2 Native Americans, 9 Asians, 46 Hispanics, 76 blacks, 149 unlabeled individuals and 149 whites (whose deaths don’t get reported by national mainstream media). Only nine black individuals were actually unarmed.

There is no goal of forgiveness or reconciliation. None. It’s never mentioned on their sites. You can’t talk about the sins of the past and expect to move forward if there is no intention of forgiveness. I’m tired of the deeply prejudiced oppressed/oppressor critical race theory paradigm. It’s not Gospel-centered. This should, immediately, be a deal-breaker for Christians.

It’s all about Black Power. It’s plastered all over the MFBL website. BLMF founders explain their “herstory”: “It became clear that we needed to continue organizing and building Black power across the country.” I don’t promote a colorblind society; I love all of our diverse hues of skin. But I’m so much more than my pigmentation. Martin Luther King promoted “God’s power and human power.” I’m with him.

They heavily promote homosexuality and transgenderism. “We foster a queer-affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking.” I’m not embracing confusion. Loving every human being is not the same as loving every human doing.

They completely ignore fatherhood. From BLMF: “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.” Well, every “village” that has fatherless families is a village that suffers higher crime rates, higher drug usage, higher abortion rates, higher drop-out rates, higher poverty rates, and so much more. #DadsMatter.

They demand reparations. Ok. Sooooo, I guess the white half of me will have to pay the black half of me? If progressives want to push reparations, start with the Party of Slavery and Jim Crow—the Democrat Party! Let them ante up. But the #BlackLivesMatter movement bizarrely demands: “Reparations for…full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerly incarcerated people) to lifetime education…retroactive forgiveness of student loans, and support for lifetime learning programs.” Uhhh, good luck with that.

They want to abolish prisons and police forces. And…cue utter chaos. MFBL asserts: “We believe that prisons, police and all other institutions that inflict violence on Black people must be abolished...” Defund and remove the police have been rallying cries. That would be anarchy in any community. I advocate some needed police reforms and better community/police relations, but this is just foolishness.

They are anti-capitalism. Oh the irony of this declaration made by a movement that is the result of capitalism: “We are anti-capitalist. We believe and understand that Black people will never achieve liberation under the current global racialized capitalist system.” The videos that make us aware of police brutality are captured on phones that are a result of capitalism. The best way to elevate people out of material poverty? Capitalism. This system is why the United States is the most charitable nation.

Colin Kaepernick supports it. A “biracial” adoptee, Kaepernick is now obsessed with his “blackness.” He idolizes the late murderous Fidel Castro and Che Guevara and worships Malcolm X (just see his social media feeds). Malcolm X was anti-integration, pro-violence and a member of the virulently racist Nation of Islam (who forced him out). Kaepernick makes millions from Nike—a company whose entire Executive Leadership Team is white (isn’t this white supremacy???)—that makes its shoes in the most murderous regime in the world. Kaepernick, of course, is completely silent on that. But you know, #SocialJusticeWarrior.

Apparently, not all black lives matter. Pro-abortion BLMF declared: “We deserve and thus we demand reproductive justice [aka abortion] that gives us autonomy over our bodies and our identities while ensuring that our children and families are supported, safe, and able to thrive.” Aborted children don’t thrive. BLM groups announced “solidarity” with “reproductive justice” groups back in February 2015. You cannot simultaneously fight violence while celebrating it.

 
Anti-Capitalism? What could be more criminal? even amoral?

Oh, the horror.
 
If you were able to substantiate your claim, it would be difficult for anyone to deny, correct?
It is pretty obvious those disgusting people who tortured and killed the raccoon are involved in the racist hate group black lives matter. They will eventually be identified.
 
wow, so now we're bringing back homophobia too. Great.
Black lives matter is extremely homophobic/biphobic as well as racist. But this mirrors larger mainstream black American, carribean African, and Black African cultures which have been very homophobic/biphobic and racist for many decades or centuries.

No not all black people in the USA or other countries are like this but for decades it was very bad to the point where black men who are bisexual and gay were completely disowned and ostracised by their families, black friends, black neighbours, etc. even in large cities.

 
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@PriestTheyCalledHim

I think some white people have, and the article is correct: Blacks in the United States will have to endure their status as an underclass long after Trump is dead and buried.

I'm not so sure about the rest...
 
It is pretty obvious those disgusting people who tortured and killed the raccoon are involved in the racist hate group black lives matter. They will eventually be identified.
I haven't seen the video in question... I really am not going to watch it because the content would be deeply disturbing to me and I don't need convincing (I can imagine what is described is true) - did this really happen? BLM protesters killed a raccoon on video?
 
I haven't seen the video in question... I really am not going to watch it because the content would be deeply disturbing to me and I don't need convincing (I can imagine what is described is true) - did this really happen? BLM protesters killed a raccoon on video?

if being black automatically qualifies you as a representative of BLM, then yeah, BLM killed a raccoon.

but nah, I've seen the video and there's no evidence they are part of BLM or even supporters of it.

priest just thinks because their black he can pin it on BLM
 
if being black automatically qualifies you as a representative of BLM, then yeah, BLM killed a raccoon.

but nah, I've seen the video and there's no evidence they are part of BLM or even supporters of it.

priest just thinks because their black he can pin it on BLM
Oh, so really it's just a video of a black person killing a raccoon in public, and it's not immediately apparent (i.e. a huge assumption without any basis) that the person in the video was part of BLM?

They aren't chanting "no justice, no peace", "say her name" etc? Yeah, sounds like an unrelated video.

Thanks for telling me mal. The animal abuse is really triggering to me and frankly I'm glad it seems unconnected.
 
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